Shantnu No. The process of physical evolution is a process, not a principle and unless we realize the principle we will remain in the process because a process is never complete unto itself and after every cycle it rebounds into another cycle (process).
Nitan Then why is there a physical-evolution. If it can’t achieve its perfection and has to subordinate to its consciousness, then the very purpose of Nature is defeated. Is not Nature complete unto itself? Does it not sustain unto itself?
Shantnu Nitan, if it were so, there would have been no Nature, with its beauty and life, but only insentient objects in the space.
Nitan Is not energy alone sufficient for the sustenance of the Nature?
Shantnu If we work on the hypothesis, that Nature is a one time job and also remain silent about the source of energy. For an intelligent person, both are unacceptable. Energy has three qualities of creation, sustenance and dissolution. It reacts, reflects and resounds. All these qualities create activity and motion and ever keep it in a never ending cycles. It is not its own source. Though it puts in motion the creational process of the Nature and also withdraws itself from Nature after sometimes and again moves the wheels of creation, but it has not the power to withdraw from Nature and merge itself with its source.
Nitan Is it conscious?
Shantnu No. It lacks that quality of bliss, so it is insentient.
Nitan Are the sources of Nature and consciousness different?
Shantnu No. Both have one source and that is cosmic-consciousness, which is also called as Realty.
Nitan I don’t understand, if the source is one, and the consciousness that also emerges from the same source and abounds in the objects of the Nature, then how the two are different!
Shantnu Firstly, the cosmic-consciousness pervades the entire existence whereas the Nature forms only an infinitesimal part of it and it is also the basic cause of its (Nature) creation, that’s why it pervades Nature and its objects.
Nitan But there is a contradiction. As per your statement cosmic-consciousness is non-decaying hence, permanent, whereas its creation (Nature/Energy) is transient-temporary.
Shantnu The source is still calm ever full and eternal, even when it duplicates itself. It remains still and non-active. Activity develops only in its duplicates and that too was the shower of non-active particles, which spread to the entire space. While the qualities of the source are, Existence, Awareness, Bliss, its creation, the fourth generation particles had a diluted (filtered) conscious level. That is why the creations of Nature, are not born with complete consciousness. They have to acquire and re-attain it by stages. Energy, which is the cause of its (Nature) creation, as already told, lacks the third quality of Bliss (fullness), is the reason for its limited consciousness that puts it in the wheel of recycling.
Nitan But the world is permeated by consciousness.
Shantnu Not only the ephemeral world, but the entire Existence is pervaded by consciousness. But you must also be aware that conscious on its own, is nothing but the power of reflection. It may be called a cosmic/individual mirror. At individual level, it only reflects back, what already exists or it makes us aware of the world, its knowledge or intelligence. At human level, it has assumed a very narrow base, because of the limitless of the gross (present) mind.
Nitan Has it any special place in the mind?
Shantnu Mind itself is nothing but the reflection of knowledge.
Nitan Then why is there a physical-evolution. If it can’t achieve its perfection and has to subordinate to its consciousness, then the very purpose of Nature is defeated. Is not Nature complete unto itself? Does it not sustain unto itself?
Shantnu Nitan, if it were so, there would have been no Nature, with its beauty and life, but only insentient objects in the space.
Nitan Is not energy alone sufficient for the sustenance of the Nature?
Shantnu If we work on the hypothesis, that Nature is a one time job and also remain silent about the source of energy. For an intelligent person, both are unacceptable. Energy has three qualities of creation, sustenance and dissolution. It reacts, reflects and resounds. All these qualities create activity and motion and ever keep it in a never ending cycles. It is not its own source. Though it puts in motion the creational process of the Nature and also withdraws itself from Nature after sometimes and again moves the wheels of creation, but it has not the power to withdraw from Nature and merge itself with its source.
Nitan Is it conscious?
Shantnu No. It lacks that quality of bliss, so it is insentient.
Nitan Are the sources of Nature and consciousness different?
Shantnu No. Both have one source and that is cosmic-consciousness, which is also called as Realty.
Nitan I don’t understand, if the source is one, and the consciousness that also emerges from the same source and abounds in the objects of the Nature, then how the two are different!
Shantnu Firstly, the cosmic-consciousness pervades the entire existence whereas the Nature forms only an infinitesimal part of it and it is also the basic cause of its (Nature) creation, that’s why it pervades Nature and its objects.
Nitan But there is a contradiction. As per your statement cosmic-consciousness is non-decaying hence, permanent, whereas its creation (Nature/Energy) is transient-temporary.
Shantnu The source is still calm ever full and eternal, even when it duplicates itself. It remains still and non-active. Activity develops only in its duplicates and that too was the shower of non-active particles, which spread to the entire space. While the qualities of the source are, Existence, Awareness, Bliss, its creation, the fourth generation particles had a diluted (filtered) conscious level. That is why the creations of Nature, are not born with complete consciousness. They have to acquire and re-attain it by stages. Energy, which is the cause of its (Nature) creation, as already told, lacks the third quality of Bliss (fullness), is the reason for its limited consciousness that puts it in the wheel of recycling.
Nitan But the world is permeated by consciousness.
Shantnu Not only the ephemeral world, but the entire Existence is pervaded by consciousness. But you must also be aware that conscious on its own, is nothing but the power of reflection. It may be called a cosmic/individual mirror. At individual level, it only reflects back, what already exists or it makes us aware of the world, its knowledge or intelligence. At human level, it has assumed a very narrow base, because of the limitless of the gross (present) mind.
Nitan Has it any special place in the mind?
Shantnu Mind itself is nothing but the reflection of knowledge.