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Shantnu But in this case, religions have acquired distinct characteristics of the Masters, who created them and are thus quite different to Religion-their parent body---not the body of gospel of a Master. Religion is the Truth that speaks of Reality, not the fiefdom of Masters, where the gospel of masters is propagated, not the Truth of Reality. So personal experiences of masters are not important, in the sense these should not be turned into impregnable citadels of religions but should be used as guide for posterity.
Student Dada, as we need teachers to teach us, don't we need the Masters to guide us in the realization of Reality!
Shantnu Teachers teach us of subjects which are already printed in the text books. But Masters do not teach from scriptures which are already available but teach from the books written by them on the basis of experience they are supposed to have undergone, during their confrontation with Reality!
Student Dada, what is wrong in teaching from their own experiences and writing their own scriptures?
ShantnuReality and its experiences are not one but two different aspects. Reality realization (Religion) does not automatically confer on the experienced the EternalState of consciousness, unless the union between the two is perfectly achieved. And whenever this happens, the experienced does not become an authority or a spokesperson but a humble replicate of Reality and thus remains merged in Reality unless he himself, decides to come down to the lower regions of intellect and mind.
Student Dada, is a realized one also prone to down-gradation?
Shantnu There are various ways to self-realization, which ultimately lead to Reality. It all depends on the type of method a seeker has adopted for self-realization that determines the longevity of merger in Reality. However, we shall discuss about it later. Presently, it is suffice to say that the Masters who rise above self-realization and attain mergence in Reality are beyond the control of the mind. Even when engaged in functions relating to body, mind and intellect, they are least tinged by their influences. But those whose aim is self-realization, which is but the attainment of individual perfection, are highly self-centered, as the Reality does not represent an individual's perfection but is the composite-integrated-perfection of totality.
Student Dada, how can we make distinction between these two classes of Masters?
Shantnu Those immersed in Reality, are permanently living in bliss, whereas the second class belonging to the seekers of self, are still afflicted to the duality of joy and sorrow, fame and censure, are powerfully controlled by their second identity of gross-self.
Student Dada, how this deficiency is retained though self-realization has been attained?
Shantnu Reality -consciousness comes step by step. You see, it is a long journey from body-mind-intellect-ego-conscience-wisdom-self-realization and finally to Reality. In the present case, the dormer’s journey has been from self to Reality and in the latter’s case; it was from self to self. The difference (deficiency) lies in the state of heights one achieves and observes the state of one step below from where he had accented. The Master who has ascended (attained) to top of the state of Reality, observes his self, which too is the highest state of consciousness, though limited to individual-self. But in self-realization the observation level is that of the self (mind) which is the gross-level conscious, lowest in the hierarchy of ascendancy to the upper state of consciousness. Thus observing from the top (Reality), self is the point of focus-the perfect micro duplicate of Reality, representing the original, not differentiating from it. But from the citadel of self, the observation level is that of the mind, whose master is ego, which always creates a separate entity that is different from the self.
Student Dada, isn't wisdom the immediate state from self?
 

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Shantnu As wisdom is the last step of self-realization, intellect is the epitome of mind that leads to wisdom. So as wisdom is synonymous to self, so is intellect to wisdom. Any differentiation between them is not of qualitative value.
Student Dada, now we understand that Reality is the constant-integrated consciousness that represents Totality and its truth is Religion, whereas any differentiation from Reality is not Reality nor is whole Reality. Consequently, religions do not represent Reality but are the segments of Reality. Reality is one; its truth is one, and that is Religion. Self’s (realization) are many, their truths are as many, and these are sub--religions.
Shantnu My dear, don't you confuse yourself with the words or their composition. All you have to remember always is the truth of Reality. And to know it, there is a process that requires the purity of body, speech, mind and intellect, moral conduct and virtuous living. The essence of all these words is conscience. Adhere to it and you realize Reality.

Student Dada, it is said, conscience too, has a voice; what is that, please explain?
Shantnu It is the sound that stores 'memory' (consciousness) in cosmos as well as in the mind. It also cycles through three states of gross, subtle and casual as vibrations, reflections, radiations (reaction, reflection and resound) When it is in gross form, it forms itself into material bodies, ranging from microcosm to macrocosm (particles to galaxies)!. The mode of interaction between subtle bodies (particles) is via radiation whereas amongst material objects (inter-galactic etc.) is through vibration. Similarly, it functions through three forms of speech, memory and thought in human bodies. When it has been churned properly with the sense of righteousness (body level), discrimination (mental/intellect level) and conscience (at wisdom) it resumes its original state of purity. At this state, worldly vocabulary is attached to it no more and it is language-less idea-less. That it is no more, the conglomeration of worldly sounds; you can compare it with the sounds emanating from the charged atmosphere of the earth, as it passes through earth's atmosphere, it is full of gross sounds but as soon as it enters the next sphere of solar family and further deep into our galaxy, it has shed earthly grossness and is now laced with the vibrations of the galactic bodies. By the time it has covered the limits of the cosmos and enters the realms beyond, it has off loaded the attached vibrations (memories) of the materials bodies and the radiation qualities of the particles and assumes its state of soundless that is, without the properties of gross, vibration and radiation. Correspondingly in human beings too, it goes through the variations of speech, memory, thought, emotion, pulse, tranquility, peace (wisdom) and bliss (reality). All these variations were because of the attachments, it acquired while passing through these variations. But having passed through these variations, it again becomes unattached, uninvolved and thus in purer state of soundless.!
Student Dada, how sound becomes soundless, when echo/resound (vibration) is its nature?
Shantnu Tell me, what is it that observes the changing phases of its (sound) involvement to higher heights or lower depths?
Student The ever pervading conscious, Dada.
 

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Shantnu Does conscious observes it from outside as a witness or from inside it, as an uninvolved witness?
Student Please tell us Dada.
Shantnu There is no external or internal consciousness, when it has resumed its original state, obviously, then there is no witness, observant or observed or observed anymore.
Student Dada, what is that, that exists at that state?
Shantnu A sound, which is not a sound, a state, which is not a state (stationary particle) but my dears we have again deviated from our path of inquiry, let us be where we were before.
Student It was the voice of the conscience, Dada.
Shantnu In human language, it is again religion.
Student By religion, you mean religions, Dada.
Shantnu As the quality of conscience of each group of people (religion) is nurtured on different set of moral-values; therefore each religion depicts different basic values. So presently we shall have to accept the authenticity of each religion.
Student Dada, do moral values change from religion to religion?
Shantnu Of course my dears, but not in Religion.
Student That indicates there is no such thing as conscience of humanity!
Shantnu A relative term, good only for now; as religion of humanity has lost its shine, similarly, conscience too has been devalued and it is projected differently by different groups of people! Even it varies from person to person.
Student Then it is not a conducive state of affairs, to live in.
Shantnu On the contrary, present times, are the most challenging and constructive of period, human history has encountered.
Student How Dada.
Shantnu When the opposing (negative) forces are most prominent; destruction (neutrality) of negative forces is imminent. It is the law of nature. So, don't lose heart, now is the time, when human history would witness the new dawn of hope that will usher an era of fulfillment, both spiritually and materially.
Student Dada, what would be the linking factor, between these two?
Shantnu Conscience, human-conscience! Individual or group conscience would lose its falsity of separateness and shall be replaced by the conscience of humanity, which is its moral-cleaner.
Student In other words, there shall be one religion-the religion of love, one caste, the caste of humanity, one language, the language of the heart, as you had told us earlier.
Shantnu These are not my words, but the voice of the conscience which is inherent in each and every human being and always promotes an individual to do good acts, conduct rightly, morally and be virtuous.
Student Is that the aim of humanity, Dada.
Shantnu No. These are the basic requirements which shape the character of human beings.
Student Dada, you had told us that the difference between moral and right act is based on the element of religion and the sense of righteousness, which again are governed by the conscience (moral values) and human values. You had, also informed us, that when the element of religion is applied on human values, they become moral values, though in nature, both are one and the same thing, but when we talk of moral and immoral acts, a new word is coined to assess their fruits. And that word is - Sin.
Dada, tell us how our acts become sinful?
 

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Shantnu In any language if different sets of principles are applied, the meanings of the words change according to the force of the circumstances. See, how a simple act is transformed into different phraseology. At sensual level, it is good/bad, at intellect level, it is right/wrong, at conscience level, it becomes moral/immoral, same act becomes a sin/virtue, when the principle of religion is applied. It is simply an act (without any fruits thereof) when it confronts wisdom. When some act is perceived and assessed from different angles of (subjects) of sociology, psychology, scholarship, religion and physiology, it acquires qualitative variations.
Student Dada, it is qualitative gradation or different variations, independent to each other.
Shantnu These are the variants of cosmic-mind, which is encased in individual-selves, and is identified in different stages of human anatomy.
Student Thank you very much, Dada, as we have traversed these different levels' of consciousness with you and we are now in the crucial stage of human (cosmos) conscience.
Shantnu Tomorrow we shall have a talk on 'Sin'.
 

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Student There must have been some dire need for the invention of this word, Dada!
Shantnu The urgent need was, and still is, of putting fear in the hearts of the Student Dada, what is sin?
Shantnu Whatever is against the principles of morality!
Student If it were so, why not to describe it as unrighteous!
Shantnu I had told you, sense of righteousness is, in the preview of the intellectuals.
Student Then sin word is the invention of religion.
Shantnu It is not the invention of religion, but the projection of the sub-religions.
Student Does this word (sin) find a mention in the sacred texts of ancient times?
Shantnu In philosophical texts, this word is amiss but in recent history of mankind, during which wars were fought in the name of religion, this word suddenly found a prominent place in the religious texts of warring groups.
adherents.
Student But fear breeds hatred, whereas religions teach love.
Then why hatred and fear factors were introduced in religions?
Shantnu Fear and hatred were used as a tool in the form of sin, to have complete control on not only over their people but also over the people of opposing forces.
Student Dada, for what purpose; only mind's power is enough!
Shantnu With the might of the mind, a ruler may have sway over the bodies of his subjects but not over the spirit (will).
Student What difference does it make, Dada?
Shantnu The difference is that of will, defiance, submission.
Student How the power of sin can break the will of people, Dada?
Shantnu Simply by submitting it (will) before a superior will.
Student To whom does that superior 'will' belong to Dada?
Shantnu God.
Student Not Reality?
Shantnu No. Only to God, because for scholars, intellectuals or state rulers, Reality concepts is rational and God aspects is a myth! According to them, Reality concept is beyond the ken of ordinary people, so a myth of a God is erected around a specially created personality, with an aura of super-natural powers, and a cult of superstitions.
Student Dada, is God a myth or reality?
Shantnu Both. A myth for those, who belong to the class of scientists who are engaged in the sciences of Nature or those who, willfully, deny His existence! But it is a Reality for those who seek Him in Nature and beyond Nature!
Student Dada, you had told us, Religion is Truth of Reality (God) and Religion's nature is love. So also God's nature, in case His existence is accepted as Reality not as a myth, should also be love. Then why the element of fear was necessary in the gospels of religions?
Shantnu You know fear is the outcome of ignorance. So fear of sin is also an element of ignorance.
Student But sin has become part and parcel of religious rigmarole. So it can't be ignored that lightly, Dada.
Shantnu What causes fear?
Student Ignorance
Shantnu What is ignorance?
Student Lack of knowledge, Dada.
Shantnu So you see, fear is always of unknown elements. Tell me, how fear element can be introduced in the minds of a group of people?
Student By withdrawing knowledge and superimposing ignorance.
Shantnu When knowledge is withdrawn, what happens?
Student Ignorance reigns.
Shantnu What breeds ignorance?
Student Fear.
 

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Shantnu If, by willful attempt, knowledge of Reality is withdrawn from society and in its place; a cult of superstition is superimposed, what would be the result?
Student A catastrophe would ensue in the moral character of the society. But how can it be brought about Dada?
Shantnu Reality is rational, personality cult is irrational. Is that clear?
Student How personality cult is irrational, Dada?
Shantnu Because no person is larger than his ’size’.
Student But it is said, a person can become the master of cosmos if he is able to master his mind.
Shantnu But who can master his mind? A war-monger, a ruler, or a religious zealot! No, only a wise is able to control the mind. A person, who wants to control and subjugate his people by the might of his mundane powers, is himself, ruled by his inflated ego and thus his mind is prey to all kinds of desires, temptations and passions! Thus instead of mastering his mind, his mind is controlled by all kinds of negative tendencies. His mind emits powerful radiations of negative forces, whose flames consume all that is good in society. Moral values crumble before their onslaught and a new cult is born, whose pass word is fear, hatred, annihilation, submission and destruction of self.
Student Dada, is self-destructible?
Shantnu What do you understand about self?
Student It is the over-self of an individual self, Dada.
Shantnu It is the truth of existence of an individual entity.
Student Is it the gist of mind-intellect-wisdom or the inherent legacy of Existence, Dada?
Shantnu We are not apart from Existence. Whatever we inherit and grow from, are the same substance, out of which existence came into being. So self is the purest state of conscious which is the microcosm of the macrocosm.
Student Then how does it lose its purity of consciousness and come to believe itself as an ordinary self, the projected identity of the mind?
Shantnu Man may be an evolved animal of Nature, but at the same time he is also its replica. He is the repository of Reality-conscious (ness) in the exact form the way it layered down (evolved/duplicated step by step) to shape Nature and its "creations.
Reality, Consciousness, Self are not subject to destruction and do not lose their Being. On the contrary they exist and express their consciousness in each and every entity; they are evolved in, though their expressions vary according to the state of consciousness of the individual entity.
Student Dada, if an individual is controlled by negative forces, obviously his mind-intellect wisdom, would produce a self that is its satanic version. This way there would be two opposite self’s. Please explain.
Shantnu Wisdom does not produce evil or perverted-self, neither evil produces wisdom.
Student But, Dada, there are evil geniuses in the world who produce tools of destruction and cause unimaginable havoc to society.
Shantnu The influence of negative tendencies is limited only to the level of mind and intellect. Their misdirection is possible only to this extent but as soon as the sense of discrimination is applied, their misdirection is checked and therefore conscience induces the remaining correctional measures and transform the evil genius into wisdom.
Student In case their conscience remains dormant, what will happen Dada?
Shantnu Evil consumes and fuels itself. But in the process its conflagration are subsumed by the dawn of wisdom. Had it not been so, would humanity have survived the onslaughts of evil mongers, dictators, conquerors, invaders, crusaders or psychopaths? Nay, my dears, evil never triumphs though sometimes it gives such impressions. Its fuel of negative tendencies consumes and exhausts itself. Unlike wisdom, which nourishes and flourishes it consumes and extinguishes itself.
Student Dada, why evil has produced a galaxy of super-stars?
Shantnu In fact, they were not the links of fine arts, via which each subsequent civilization passes on its legacy, but the diehards who obstruct the progressive evolvement of finer things of life. But their end is always abrupt and total. Their end is as sudden as their meteoric rise, while the words of wise last forever, whereas their empires vanish instantly after their fall.
Student Why Dada?
Shantnu Because the nursery of evil is in mind, whose own foundation is laid on the five pillars of sand (senses)!
 

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Student Dada, the positive and negative fruits of actions that we evaluate at physical, mental, intellectual and religious level; are these actually levels or their qualitative distinction?
Shantnu You have already answered your question. There are evolving factors of an individual self to Self, that is, from imperfection to perfection. But unlike others, a religion like conscience is not a level or a factor that indicates an individual evolvement level of consciousness, but is an ingredient that produces consciousness in him, and it has its descent direct from Religion.
Student Then how does it dilute itself from religion to religions?
Shantnu It is already explained, a religion caters to the moral-values of a sect, whereas Religion belongs to Jagat (universe).

Student Dada, how does conscience or a religion transform the fruits of an act, from good and bad to right and wrong, from moral and immoral to virtuous and sinful?
Shantnu These are not transformations but refinements of the quality of fruits.
Student Dada, does an act go through these transformations or its quality of fruits?
Shantnu Both, conscience like (religion) monitors the instrument of action, mind dyes its moral values, and the quality of resultant fruits is identical.
Student Dada, does the mind have a color?
Shantnu Consciousness in its gross form (mind) is subject to change, because of its combination of positive and negative tendencies. When it is overpowered by anger, its color becomes red, a selfish mind's color is brownish, whereas that of an egoistic mind, the color is orange. But a mind that is dedicated to Reality-its color is of pure-white.
Student Dada, what is the color of love?
Shantnu Pink.
Student Dada, it is very strange that consciousness has the quality of color-(change).
Shantnu Consciousness like sound, acquires the qualities of gross-world, when it is in the region of mind and is thus subject to change. Whatever is subject to change is governed by the laws of nature. As nature is full of variety of colors, so whatever happens to be in its orbit, acquires its colors also.
Student Do these colors really exist in our conscious (ness) or these are the emotional variations, our memory cells display in consonance to the state of their richness (activeness).
Shantnu Actually consciousness in its pure-state, has no (quality)color, But due to its proximity to physical worlds, it seemingly (temporarily) acquires their traits. But as soon as, the moss of their traits is removed from it, once again, it resumes its state of purity which is colorless.
Student And it is the conscience that removed that moss, Dada.
Shantnu Yes.
Student Does conscience makes a person better human being with the additional qualities he acquires?
Shantnu It is not enough to being a better man, unless one is endowed with humanness that comes only if one has imbibed the qualities of compassion and love. No amount of scholarship can bring about these qualities; it is conscience alone that inspires those virtues.
Student Dada, are scholars barren of love?
Shantnu Intellect can produce scholars and geniuses but not artists.
Student What do you mean by artists, Dada?
Shantnu Persons who love the work they do.
Student Don't the scholars love their work, Dada?
Shantnu They work like machines, devoid of love.
Student Dada, what is the qualitative difference between the work (action) of an intellect/scholar/genius and an artist?
Shantnu Though both are dedicated to their jobs, an artist's act never produces the fruits of evil, whereas the former’s are susceptible to these. There can, always be an evil genius but not an evil art.
Student Why it is so, Dada?
 
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