Shantnu I told you before, let us not discuss God as a subject, as yet, but should confine ourselves to gross-conscious and its subtle reflections (circles).
Yes, it is possible for a person to achieve to higher circles, without in any way, involving him in religious activities (rituals). As explained earlier, life lived for others---selfless service, surrendering oneself to the needs of others, control over senses and equanimity of mind, would certainly lead a person to the same level that a spiritualist attains! The only difference is, whereas the former, like a scholar, though possessing the knowledge of both the sciences of negative and positive, would becomes the tool of his own achievements. On the other hand, a spiritualist, in the attainment of his goal, sheds all his negative tendencies. He is a wise who discriminates his actions and acts always for the benefit of others. The former is always selfish, self-centered, egoistic, whereas the later is selfless, self-sacrificing and compassionate. The major difference between the two is the absence of compassion and love in the former and their over – abundance in the later. A scholar is a product of nature, whereas the wise is above Nature (senses). Both work for the selves, the former works for the improvement of his gross-conscious which always relates to material (sensory) knowledge. But the latter canalizes the dry-ness of others with his love and compassion and lifts their subdued selves from the slothful levels to the upper levels of intelligence (consciousness).
Umeshwari It is clear then, a person can realize, attain to the second level of consciousness, without help of a Master or Divinity.
Shantnu No. His reach is only up to the first level of gross-conscious. Cosmic-consciousness he can attain, (realise), it he develops (activates) the latent potency of love-pulses, already existing in his memory-cells. Rather the very nucleus of the molecules, whose composition he is, contains the pulses of love.
Umeshwari All that you have taught me so far leads to the conclusive belief, that we are the masters of our fate. Then what is the role of the so-called masters in our lives? Even their contribution to humanity has been very insignificant as compared to the marvels of material sciences. Therefore, the roles of geniuses have been more important and result-oriented than the theologies of the Masters. Our rich cultural heritage is because ofSindhu, Harrapan, and Mohenjodaroo civilizations, not because of Puranic (Indianmythological tales) stories. Scientific inventions, discoveries are for the benefit of entire humanity. In every field, man has improved his living standards. And due to these, average age of man has increased markedly.
Against all this progress, what have our Masters/Messengers/prophets /saints, contributed in our lives? Have we in any way, benefited from their theologies and scriptures. Instead of being useful to their societies, they had been wasting huge sums of money, wealth-resources in the construction of temples – mosques – churches and many other houses of God, where no God delves but their (Gods) descendents spend lavish lives. Had this money been spent or is spent on scientific research, education, medical care or on the removal of poverty, earth would have been an unenviable place to live on. If we go through the recorded history, behind almost, all wars, battles and their resultant destruction wrought on society, religions were the major cause. Religious dogmatic ignorance, mutual rivalry, expansionism (rather forceful conversion) of religions, have been and are still the major reasons on which communal riots, carnage, inter-community inter-national, bestial destruction is brought about on the innocent citizens of the world. I wonder if we belong to a civilized world or living in the kingdom of the beasts, who happen to be more civil than we!
The words of the prophets, messengers and Avatars have only segmented us into narrow groups of pseudo-believers. If I am not being harsh I would say their ‘words’ carried no potency, otherwise their will, would have brought peace on earth, instead of numerous wars, It was because of the differences in their words (theologies) that their followers fought with each other. The fault lies with the masters not with the followers, because the masters themselves were not aware about the oneness of the God and brotherhood of man.
Our misfortune has been, that most of the masters – who started new faiths (religions) belonged to royal families. And it is the cult of the royalty to fight over assumed causes. Chivalry, heroism, name, fame, honor and scholarship of scriptures or revelation of truth – actually half-truths---all this created divisions. They even created divisions in the kingdom of God. Because for them God was a bigger lord like them and like them He ruled over a larger realm.
In their chivalry they renounced the might of the mundane world and assumed the power of the spiritual world, which was even more powerful than the former. In the mundane world, they (Master) had the power only over their (followers) bodies and property but in the temporal word, they even had control over their conscience!
Of course, they made some efforts to expand their level of consciousness as they were the elite of the society.
Only in rare cases, some faiths were established by the ordinary persons, who really had attained higher-levels of conscious. To their misfortune, again, the elite of the society became their followers and their real teaching became the handy tools of their followers, which they used according to their needs and interests.
Please tell me, has there been one faith/religion whose master or followers have not fought both physically and theologically, with the believers of the other faiths or has there been one Master, who has recognized the Divinity of another Master, hence had no difference of opinion? It is really very funny; can there be any difference of opinion about the Reality?
Yes, it is possible for a person to achieve to higher circles, without in any way, involving him in religious activities (rituals). As explained earlier, life lived for others---selfless service, surrendering oneself to the needs of others, control over senses and equanimity of mind, would certainly lead a person to the same level that a spiritualist attains! The only difference is, whereas the former, like a scholar, though possessing the knowledge of both the sciences of negative and positive, would becomes the tool of his own achievements. On the other hand, a spiritualist, in the attainment of his goal, sheds all his negative tendencies. He is a wise who discriminates his actions and acts always for the benefit of others. The former is always selfish, self-centered, egoistic, whereas the later is selfless, self-sacrificing and compassionate. The major difference between the two is the absence of compassion and love in the former and their over – abundance in the later. A scholar is a product of nature, whereas the wise is above Nature (senses). Both work for the selves, the former works for the improvement of his gross-conscious which always relates to material (sensory) knowledge. But the latter canalizes the dry-ness of others with his love and compassion and lifts their subdued selves from the slothful levels to the upper levels of intelligence (consciousness).
Umeshwari It is clear then, a person can realize, attain to the second level of consciousness, without help of a Master or Divinity.
Shantnu No. His reach is only up to the first level of gross-conscious. Cosmic-consciousness he can attain, (realise), it he develops (activates) the latent potency of love-pulses, already existing in his memory-cells. Rather the very nucleus of the molecules, whose composition he is, contains the pulses of love.
Umeshwari All that you have taught me so far leads to the conclusive belief, that we are the masters of our fate. Then what is the role of the so-called masters in our lives? Even their contribution to humanity has been very insignificant as compared to the marvels of material sciences. Therefore, the roles of geniuses have been more important and result-oriented than the theologies of the Masters. Our rich cultural heritage is because ofSindhu, Harrapan, and Mohenjodaroo civilizations, not because of Puranic (Indianmythological tales) stories. Scientific inventions, discoveries are for the benefit of entire humanity. In every field, man has improved his living standards. And due to these, average age of man has increased markedly.
Against all this progress, what have our Masters/Messengers/prophets /saints, contributed in our lives? Have we in any way, benefited from their theologies and scriptures. Instead of being useful to their societies, they had been wasting huge sums of money, wealth-resources in the construction of temples – mosques – churches and many other houses of God, where no God delves but their (Gods) descendents spend lavish lives. Had this money been spent or is spent on scientific research, education, medical care or on the removal of poverty, earth would have been an unenviable place to live on. If we go through the recorded history, behind almost, all wars, battles and their resultant destruction wrought on society, religions were the major cause. Religious dogmatic ignorance, mutual rivalry, expansionism (rather forceful conversion) of religions, have been and are still the major reasons on which communal riots, carnage, inter-community inter-national, bestial destruction is brought about on the innocent citizens of the world. I wonder if we belong to a civilized world or living in the kingdom of the beasts, who happen to be more civil than we!
The words of the prophets, messengers and Avatars have only segmented us into narrow groups of pseudo-believers. If I am not being harsh I would say their ‘words’ carried no potency, otherwise their will, would have brought peace on earth, instead of numerous wars, It was because of the differences in their words (theologies) that their followers fought with each other. The fault lies with the masters not with the followers, because the masters themselves were not aware about the oneness of the God and brotherhood of man.
Our misfortune has been, that most of the masters – who started new faiths (religions) belonged to royal families. And it is the cult of the royalty to fight over assumed causes. Chivalry, heroism, name, fame, honor and scholarship of scriptures or revelation of truth – actually half-truths---all this created divisions. They even created divisions in the kingdom of God. Because for them God was a bigger lord like them and like them He ruled over a larger realm.
In their chivalry they renounced the might of the mundane world and assumed the power of the spiritual world, which was even more powerful than the former. In the mundane world, they (Master) had the power only over their (followers) bodies and property but in the temporal word, they even had control over their conscience!
Of course, they made some efforts to expand their level of consciousness as they were the elite of the society.
Only in rare cases, some faiths were established by the ordinary persons, who really had attained higher-levels of conscious. To their misfortune, again, the elite of the society became their followers and their real teaching became the handy tools of their followers, which they used according to their needs and interests.
Please tell me, has there been one faith/religion whose master or followers have not fought both physically and theologically, with the believers of the other faiths or has there been one Master, who has recognized the Divinity of another Master, hence had no difference of opinion? It is really very funny; can there be any difference of opinion about the Reality?