Shantnu But in this case, religions have acquired distinct characteristics of the Masters, who created them and are thus quite different to Religion-their parent body---not the body of gospel of a Master. Religion is the Truth that speaks of Reality, not the fiefdom of Masters, where the gospel of masters is propagated, not the Truth of Reality. So personal experiences of masters are not important, in the sense these should not be turned into impregnable citadels of religions but should be used as guide for posterity.
Student Dada, as we need teachers to teach us, don't we need the Masters to guide us in the realization of Reality!
Shantnu Teachers teach us of subjects which are already printed in the text books. But Masters do not teach from scriptures which are already available but teach from the books written by them on the basis of experience they are supposed to have undergone, during their confrontation with Reality!
Student Dada, what is wrong in teaching from their own experiences and writing their own scriptures?
ShantnuReality and its experiences are not one but two different aspects. Reality realization (Religion) does not automatically confer on the experienced the EternalState of consciousness, unless the union between the two is perfectly achieved. And whenever this happens, the experienced does not become an authority or a spokesperson but a humble replicate of Reality and thus remains merged in Reality unless he himself, decides to come down to the lower regions of intellect and mind.
Student Dada, is a realized one also prone to down-gradation?
Shantnu There are various ways to self-realization, which ultimately lead to Reality. It all depends on the type of method a seeker has adopted for self-realization that determines the longevity of merger in Reality. However, we shall discuss about it later. Presently, it is suffice to say that the Masters who rise above self-realization and attain mergence in Reality are beyond the control of the mind. Even when engaged in functions relating to body, mind and intellect, they are least tinged by their influences. But those whose aim is self-realization, which is but the attainment of individual perfection, are highly self-centered, as the Reality does not represent an individual's perfection but is the composite-integrated-perfection of totality.
Student Dada, how can we make distinction between these two classes of Masters?
Shantnu Those immersed in Reality, are permanently living in bliss, whereas the second class belonging to the seekers of self, are still afflicted to the duality of joy and sorrow, fame and censure, are powerfully controlled by their second identity of gross-self.
Student Dada, how this deficiency is retained though self-realization has been attained?
Shantnu Reality -consciousness comes step by step. You see, it is a long journey from body-mind-intellect-ego-conscience-wisdom-self-realization and finally to Reality. In the present case, the dormer’s journey has been from self to Reality and in the latter’s case; it was from self to self. The difference (deficiency) lies in the state of heights one achieves and observes the state of one step below from where he had accented. The Master who has ascended (attained) to top of the state of Reality, observes his self, which too is the highest state of consciousness, though limited to individual-self. But in self-realization the observation level is that of the self (mind) which is the gross-level conscious, lowest in the hierarchy of ascendancy to the upper state of consciousness. Thus observing from the top (Reality), self is the point of focus-the perfect micro duplicate of Reality, representing the original, not differentiating from it. But from the citadel of self, the observation level is that of the mind, whose master is ego, which always creates a separate entity that is different from the self.
Student Dada, isn't wisdom the immediate state from self?
Student Dada, as we need teachers to teach us, don't we need the Masters to guide us in the realization of Reality!
Shantnu Teachers teach us of subjects which are already printed in the text books. But Masters do not teach from scriptures which are already available but teach from the books written by them on the basis of experience they are supposed to have undergone, during their confrontation with Reality!
Student Dada, what is wrong in teaching from their own experiences and writing their own scriptures?
ShantnuReality and its experiences are not one but two different aspects. Reality realization (Religion) does not automatically confer on the experienced the EternalState of consciousness, unless the union between the two is perfectly achieved. And whenever this happens, the experienced does not become an authority or a spokesperson but a humble replicate of Reality and thus remains merged in Reality unless he himself, decides to come down to the lower regions of intellect and mind.
Student Dada, is a realized one also prone to down-gradation?
Shantnu There are various ways to self-realization, which ultimately lead to Reality. It all depends on the type of method a seeker has adopted for self-realization that determines the longevity of merger in Reality. However, we shall discuss about it later. Presently, it is suffice to say that the Masters who rise above self-realization and attain mergence in Reality are beyond the control of the mind. Even when engaged in functions relating to body, mind and intellect, they are least tinged by their influences. But those whose aim is self-realization, which is but the attainment of individual perfection, are highly self-centered, as the Reality does not represent an individual's perfection but is the composite-integrated-perfection of totality.
Student Dada, how can we make distinction between these two classes of Masters?
Shantnu Those immersed in Reality, are permanently living in bliss, whereas the second class belonging to the seekers of self, are still afflicted to the duality of joy and sorrow, fame and censure, are powerfully controlled by their second identity of gross-self.
Student Dada, how this deficiency is retained though self-realization has been attained?
Shantnu Reality -consciousness comes step by step. You see, it is a long journey from body-mind-intellect-ego-conscience-wisdom-self-realization and finally to Reality. In the present case, the dormer’s journey has been from self to Reality and in the latter’s case; it was from self to self. The difference (deficiency) lies in the state of heights one achieves and observes the state of one step below from where he had accented. The Master who has ascended (attained) to top of the state of Reality, observes his self, which too is the highest state of consciousness, though limited to individual-self. But in self-realization the observation level is that of the self (mind) which is the gross-level conscious, lowest in the hierarchy of ascendancy to the upper state of consciousness. Thus observing from the top (Reality), self is the point of focus-the perfect micro duplicate of Reality, representing the original, not differentiating from it. But from the citadel of self, the observation level is that of the mind, whose master is ego, which always creates a separate entity that is different from the self.
Student Dada, isn't wisdom the immediate state from self?