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SHauKeeN GaBRu

Chardi Kala
btw, after doing some research on this topic, i've found articles tht are either pro-bhindraanwale or pro-govt/army...so theres hardly any unbiased view on the issue as its understood that no journalists or human rights watchdogs were allowed into the state by the govt. whatever was reported in the media, were the events as described by the govt, which many say included many goof-ups.

rest its up to the ppl wht they want to believe in :nerd
 

Dhillon

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Dhillon

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btw, after doing some research on this topic, i've found articles tht are either pro-bhindraanwale or pro-govt/army..

Lets ignore all the articles and propaganda and use our Brains.

What was he demanding ? was the bloodshed justifiable ?
Was he not responsible for the attack ?
 

Dhillon

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so u say it was right to bulldoze the Gurudwara bldg???
and only answer to the machine guns were the tanks???

The only other solution was a hold up but hat would have given the separatist all over, the time to organise and come for Bhindrwalas aid.

That would have been a lot worse than tanks in Gurdwara's premises.
 

SHauKeeN GaBRu

Chardi Kala
According to what I've found out, Bhindranwala was neither demanding a separate state nor opposing it, he had left tht option to Indira.

Quote from a BBC interview:
Responding to the formation of Khalistan he is quoted as saying, "I don't oppose it nor do I support it. We are silent. However, one thing is definite that if this time the Queen of India does give it to us, we shall certainly take it. We won't reject it. We shall not repeat the mistake of 1947. As yet, we do not ask for it. It is Indira Gandhi's business and not mine, nor Longowal's, nor of any other of our leaders. It is Indira's business. Indira should tell us whether she wants to keep us in Hindostan or not. We like to live together, we like to live in India."
 

snoopy_amli

___I. A. F.___
no personal comments at gabhru.............

je ARMY ch hunde tan pta hunda ...............ona leyi COUNTRY sbton utte hai above RELIGION :| hindu muslim ne vekhde assi je knowledge hove tan ..phew

je Sikhi di gal ayi na tan gal bau lammi chodi jani fer sare kehnde please dont judge bhrle presence ton.....assi SGGS nu he mande aan pamen bharon modern han but andron desi??? ...bhar aaleyan nu jadi pta hunda vaise ..ha ha

and please dont reply to this as it will go off topic

bottom line
ohnu saint kho ya kuj hor he was WRONG at some point
 

chief

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btw i was jus wondering, would any govt blow up religious places like Mecca, Vatican City or even some monuments like Taj Mahal, White House if any wanted person is hiding there??? :nerd

attack at mecca on hajj

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The Grand Mosque Seizure on November 20, 1979, was an armed attack and takeover by armed Islamic fundamentalist dissidents of the Al-Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, the holiest place in Islam. The insurgents declared that the Mahdi, or redeemer of Islam, had arrived in the form of one of the insurgents' leaders, Abdullah Hamid Mohammed Al-Qahtani and called on Muslims to obey him.

The seizure shocked the Islamic world as hundreds of pilgrims present for the annual hajj were taken hostage, and hundreds of militants, security forces and hostages caught in crossfire were killed in the ensuing battles for control of the site. The siege ended two weeks after the takeover began with militants cleared from the mosque.[1]

Following the attack, the Saudi state implemented stricter enforcement of Islamic code.[2]


dunno the complete story... there were some incidents in india as well @ hazratbal and charar e sharief that too on EID day.


Charar-e-Sharief

On the holy day of Eid-al-Azha, May 10, 1995 Indian Armed forces desecrated and destroyed 14th century Muslim shrine of Sheikh Noorud-Din Wali, a patron saint of Kashmir in the city of Charar-e-Sharief, about 30km southwest of the capital Srinagar. In the army operations to flush out Kashmiri militants holed up since mid-January in the town of Charar-e-Sharief, at least 2000 residential houses and 200 shops were razed to the ground.


The destruction of the Charar-e-Sharief mosque and shrine came just hours after the end of Eid, one of Islam's holiest days. It marked a climax to a two-month-long stand-off between militants, who had taken shelter in Charar-e-Sharief while the mountain hideouts were under winter snows, and government security forces, who surrounded the town on March 7 1995.
 

Rano

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So what was he demanding ?

He wasn't demanding khalistan or anything. Jidaan ajkal paani di problem chaldi payi hai...vi rajasthan vagera nu punjab da paani dita jaanda, but punjab nu ohdi koi payment ni kiti gayi...jehra ajtak nu milake ehni amount bandi hai ki jihna vi punjab da karza hai, saara hi tarr jega n still more money left over for development.
Use baare he was raising his voice.
He was raising his voice for the equality the sikhs were promised at the time of independence to master Tara Singh by Jawaharlal Nehru.
He was bringing a revolution in punjab urging youth to leave drugs and guru wale banan di prerna dende sige. He usta say tht Hindu pura Hindu bane, Muslim pakka muslim bane...and guru ka sikh pura Sikh bane...During that time, many youngsters had started leaving all the bad habits of drugs, porn, etc etc....n were diligently following his simple way of life. :pop
His demand wasn't for being separate from India, but to become an integral part of India which the Sikhs were being denied of.
 

_Gifty_

I am a Joker
So what was he demanding ?

He was demanding equal rights for people of punjab. There were 60 issues that were put in front of indian government, that need improvement, including education, water problems etc. All of them were rejected by indian government. He din't want khalistan. Khalistan was idea of people sitting in foreign land, but he said he do not reject idea of khalistan, it is explained by Rano.
Problems were there. Like, how hard was to get punjabi suba? Indian govt was not ready to give punjabi as official language of punjab.
Sikhs still marry under Hindu Marriage act. U think that justifiable ?
 
He was demanding equal rights for people of punjab. There were 60 issues that were put in front of indian government, that need improvement, including education, water problems etc. All of them were rejected by indian government. He din't want khalistan. Khalistan was idea of people sitting in foreign land, but he said he do not reject idea of khalistan, it is explained by Rano.
Problems were there. Like, how hard was to get punjabi suba? Indian govt was not ready to give punjabi as official language of punjab.
Sikhs still marry under Hindu Marriage act. U think that justifiable ?


So do you guys think that these demands were not fulfilled

Does sikhs in punjab have Equal rights or not.

Pata nahi log kidda kehnda ne sikhs kol rights nahi ne......

J idda di gal hai tu sun lavo sikhaan kol inne rights hage ki Saade desh nu ik sikh hi chala riha

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chakdey

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So do you guys think that these demands were not fulfilled

Does sikhs in punjab have Equal rights or not.

Pata nahi log kidda kehnda ne sikhs kol rights nahi ne......

J idda di gal hai tu sun lavo sikhaan kol inne rights hage ki Saade desh nu ik sikh hi chala riha

Head of Damdami Taksal as mentioned before, speaks greater itself. should be no if buts jus considering that.

Maha Pursha di sangat karo.

Listen to kathas by Giani Sant Maskeen ji or Giani Thakur Singh ji about life of Sant ji.

Mr. Manmohan Singhs a great guy but you noe whos pulling the strings.

like somebody else mentioned above Marriage.
Industrial growth?
opportunities for graduates..?

spreading drugs alcohol in youth thas what seems like.


Someone made the comment earlier that people outside india doesn't know anything about what happened in the 1980s since we live abroad.

youtube it self contains speeches by Sant ji.

Tell me one thing he said was wrong.

Gurdwaras has been used as fort in the past.. why you objecting now?

educate yourself.. got a brain use it rather then taking something out of context.

just on a side note, people who are against sant jis action, do you believe that dasam granth was written by Guru ji?
 

Dhillon

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So he had some trivial demands ! But who made him the spokesperson of all the Sikhs ?
 

Rano

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^^^ je ehniyan hi trivial demands ne...y haven't they been fulfilled yet >du

n dhillon g...i wrote a reply...but when i was about to post it...smthg happened and it got lost...aaha ki hoyi jaanda >du
 

Dhillon

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^^^ je ehniyan hi trivial demands ne...y haven't they been fulfilled yet >du

n dhillon g...i wrote a reply...but when i was about to post it...smthg happened and it got lost...aaha ki hoyi jaanda >du

Because fulfilling those demands will create even more problems,
like If Chandigarh is given to Punjab , half the chandigarh will prolly commit suicide :p
And If Liquor is banned in Amritsar, a vast majority will be very miserable.


je fer posting karn lagge problem aayi ta dassi.
 

chakdey

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jus wondering:

whoever is against Bindrawale, do you guys do nitnem on regular basis?

Been trying to tie loose ends in my views.

or is it just who does nitnem on regular basis defend Bindrawale?


Whenever we have discussion on Bindrawale one of the top question is why take weapons inside Akal Takht?

most of us forgetting at one point or another we all had Khanda around our chains/necklace. To me swords daggars are weapons and we wear it proudly.

2nd most asked question is usually why use Akal Takht?

If any qovt. wants to show revenge against any kind of group, they will attack where it hurts the most.
They are evidence out there that qovt. was planning to attack Akal Takht. They made duplicate of Akal Takht and practiced.

GOOD READ:
Congress (I) started raising a force of Punjabi speaking non-Sikhs to malign the Akalis. The men would undergo a crash programme of learning Gurubani and Gurumukhi, growing beard and long hair so as to make them indistinguishable from the Sikhs. After training, these men were sent to Punjab to infiltrate into Gurudwaras, Akali ranks and the Sikh organisations and encourage extremism.
They were to incite hatred and create communal tensions, write threatening letters, carry out acts of bank robberies, sabotage, desecrating religious places, invoke strong police retaliation during demonstrations, arson and looting - all dressed up as Sikhs. Congress (I) being in power, they had immunity from prosecution and
Sikhs would get the blame. (Times of India, 26 February, 1984; P.T. I - press release from Amritsar of 23 Dec.1983; U.N. I- press release of 26 Feb 1984)

I read somewhere that Sikhs were promised their land by the govt. if we fought with them to kick british out. More than 70% who gave their lives were SIKH.

After that why wouldn't we want what was promised.

Again shady govt.
 

chakdey

Member
So he had some trivial demands ! But who made him the spokesperson of all the Sikhs ?

Well for sure it wasn't you or me.

Who else would you want to defend sikhi during that time? a govt. puppet person like badal or gur ka singh?



GURU NANAK have said: "There is no Hindu and no Musalman."

now if i was a politician either hindu or muslim i would take that personally and do anything and everything in my power to prove my points/beliefs.


Its all politics. Divide and Conquer. Strategy that still used in todays society.
 
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