Why hindu ppl worship tulsi

Sadhu

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singh-a-lion said:
Guru nanak did many things new,
He didnt wear janeu,,dat was new,,ohdan tuhade porvaj pandit nu neend nai ayi honi,,aave v kidda

Only d brahmins wore a janneyu.
Nanak was not a brahmin. Nobody wud hv ask him to wear a janneyu.
It's a made-up story.


singh-a-lion said:
He give water in opposite direction instead of giving it to sun.

he was not d first Bedi to do that. Bedi's in earlier days used to take ulta phera's(counter-clockwise)
following Luv n Kush. Then dey quarrelled n got divided in to Vedi's n Suvedi's..Bedi's n Sodhi's..


singh-a-lion said:
He didnt call himself god dats the main point,

Even Muhammad dint say that. Nor jesus.
But Nanak did say God asks him to say things.


singh-a-lion said:
Every one is equal to him,that was new,

C'mon. ther ws nothing new in this.
Many b4 him said that.


singh-a-lion said:
Coz u guys dislike shudars to come in mandirs, dont eat with them

Yes these things happened. But then again Vidur was low caste.
Krishna prefered to eat with him than with d kings.
Nanda dynasty dat lasted 100 yrs was dalit.
D maurya's again who ruled d whole of India for 150 yrs was unarguably dalit.
D best rulers India had wer actually Dalit...
Maharaja Ranjit Singh was a chamar.
If U don't know dis it's coz it suits U to forget his surname n caste.
Deep Singh surname U remember, n Guru Gobind singh's...

Also, ther is verse in d SGGS dat is castiest:
The Way of the Khshatriya is the Way of bravery;
the Way of the Shudras is service to others.

Guru Angad Dev - Pg. 469


singh-a-lion said:
Every one welcome to guru nanaks langer.

Not every-one. I've seen ppl thrown out of langar halls.
Gurudwaras don't allow homeless tramps inside.


singh-a-lion said:
And biggest thing
He didnt say to his followers to worship his persnl body part..

Nobody said that. ppl do it on their own.

singh-a-lion said:
The one who criticises pakhand gona do eveything new.

New is not always right or correct.

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Dhillon said:
credit to Guru Ji's father too for accepting his son's resolve.

Parents in india usually do that. They hv to.
It's something when a son accepts his fathers gud ways...


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singh-a-lion said:
Read ASSA DI VAAR everything is there.

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Why Asa di Var, or Sukhmani Sahib???
why not read Raag Maaroo?? Once in a while??

By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise.
The Lord of beauteous hair, the Worker of miraculous deeds, whatever He wishes, comes to pass.
He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading.
He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord.
He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes.
His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful.
He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds.
The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name.

Guru Arjan Dev, Raag Maroo, Fifth Mehl, Pg.1082


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Singh-a-lion

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1)Asi guru granth nu matha tek de aa matha launde nai,jo likhea sade layi sat bachan aa.
Je likea den its not madeup story

2)Talking abut water nt phera.

3)Yea nuthing wrong with it he didnt confused sikhs as u guys r.

4)Many b4 SAID this. Kehni te krni cha bahut fark hunda

5)I alredy explained meanings of this shabad in other thread. P469

6)If its soo then they r bippers running mandirs not gurudawara,,

7)Ppl do it on their own,, soo u agree u 98% of u doing this ,,now its part of ur religion.

8)Gurbani hale tak har gal te theek utri aa. It doesnt push us in pakhand we live free nt in scared atmoshphere k shanivaar nu tel ni paya taan ah ho jau,,mangleek aa taan munda mar jau, pani cha atta ni sutea taan accident ho jau, vart na rakhea taan gharwala mar jau

9) hun jehdi gal da answer jithe hou ohhi padha ge,,his question answer was in ASSA DI VAAR .. Taan uthe hi kahu dekh la.
RAAG MAROO cha v tuhadi pol hi kholi aa,,jehnu tusi rabb banai bethe aa ohde varge pata ni kinne bana te

ਸਾਵਲਸੁੰਦਰਰੂਪਬਣਾਵਹਿਬੇਣੁਸੁਨਤਸਭਮੋਹੈਗਾ॥੯॥
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Sadhu

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singh-a-lion,

1)Asi guru granth nu matha tek de aa matha launde nai,jo likhea sade layi sat bachan aa
Je likea den its not madeup story

Likhiya hoya satya bachan hunda taan teeyaan nu ted vich marna naheen si sikhaan ne.
Na hi sharaab peeni si.
Kabeer bhang machli sura paan jo jo prani khahe, tirth varat nem kiye sabhe rasaathal jae


2)Talking abut water nt phera.

Same thing. D idea is to do everything ulta.
Dats all sikhism is. "We don't do what d hindu's do..."


3)Yea nuthing wrong with it he didnt confused sikhs as u guys r.

He cudn't hv. Ther wer no sikh in his times. He himself was not a Sikh.
Infact a Nanak is impossible in a Sikh family, or a muslim, or a christian..
He can possibly b born only in a Hindu family.
Imagine Nanak at d golden temple sitting with his feet towards d temple of d akal takht.
D panj-pyaara's will break his legs.
Imagine him mathha-tekking in d opposite direction. He won't take his mathha back home.


4)Many b4 SAID this. Kehni te krni cha bahut fark hunda

Likhiya hoya satya bachan hunda taan teeyaan nu ted vich marna naheen si sikhaan ne.
Na hi sharaab peeni si.
Kabeer bhang machli sura paan jo jo prani khahe, tirth varat nem kiye sabhe rasaathal jae


5)I alredy explained meanings of this shabad in other thread. P469
U explained nothing. D shabad is self explanatory. It's at d end of dis post.

6)If its soo then they r bippers running mandirs not gurudawara,,

Bipper-sikh, dakhani sikh, nirmehle sikh, akali sikh, mazhabi sikh.....
It's apparent dat d achievements of d Guru's a vague.


7)Ppl do it on their own,, soo u agree u 98% of u doing this ,,now its part of ur religion.

Nothing wrong with that. U can at least see n touch what U r worshipping.
Einstein said : tel a man ther a 40 billion stars in d sky n he will believe it;
tell him d paint on d bench is wet n he has to touch it to believe.
U believe in 84 lakh species, don't U? U don't believe in what is infront of U.


8) Gurbani hale tak har gal te theek utri aa. It doesnt push us in pakhand we live free
nt in scared atmoshphere k shanivaar nu tel ni paya taan ah ho jau,,
mangleek aa taan munda mar jau, pani cha atta ni sutea taan accident ho jau,
vart na rakhea taan gharwala mar jau

I agree with U somewhat here. but paakhand not monopolised by d hindu's alone.
Even d sikh believe ki Granth da je theek taraan maan na hove taan banda andha ho jaanda hai.
Which is just to scare d ppl to keep them from reading it.
Another paakhand of d sikh is to carry d granth on their head to it's bedroom wher it is
put to sleep by pyaara's singing a loree, n in d mornig iawaken it with a prabhati.

As for dat interpretation of Maaroo, I don't know why U need it in d first place.
Sikhism was supposed to b for d common man, in a language d common man can understand.
So, what happened?? why do U need some scolar to tell U d meaning.
Raag maaroo is self explanatory.

As to idoil worship even Guru Gobind Singh did that.
He performed havan at devi temples. Every-one knows that.
N Nanak Bani cudn't stop Guru Gobind Singh to go to d Himalaya's to find peace n wisdom.
Realisation had dawned on even Nanak when he was alone for those three days.
Sangat n satsang is noise. Ther is no God ther. Gopd can b realised only in silence.
Every-thing else is just a kitty-party.
Tho I hv no issues with kitty parties as long as dey r called wat dey r...


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By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise.
The Lord of beauteous hair, the Worker of miraculous deeds, whatever He wishes, comes to pass.
He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading.
He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord.
He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes.
His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful.
He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds.
The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name.

Guru Arjan Dev, Raag Maroo, Fifth Mehl, Pg.1082


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Singh-a-lion

Prime VIP
1)) i dont drink sharaab,,hun delhi cha 2-3 hindus ne ik hindu kudi da rape kita,,taan did i say ke sare hindu rapist aa,,
2)) its not we dont wana do wht hindus do,,its all we dont wana do pakhand what others do, if u do good,i m der too appriciate u.
3)) fer oss vele muslims ne kio ni brk kittia legs:-? Sochan wali gal aa
4)) folow point 2
5)) der r some deep meanings as i explained to dilbardiwana,,
6)) bippers cant b sikh
7)) i m not a gay,,i have mine to touch, it cant b wrong on ur side i can understand.
8)) agree with u,,ajj da sikh v darda andro,ke kuch mada na ho jaye,, tell me r u scared ? I m not
9)) to understand it u need to know gurmukhi to take proper meaning out. Its like dat,cant do anything.
10)) GURU GOBIND SINGH is mard agamda,,te oh kade khusrea wale kam ni krde,,
His 52 hukanamas clearly say whome to worship.
 

ลgǝи†.47

Codename 47
Manush, man if you know all that stuff you must've got good knowledge of the religions.

Hatts off to you guys for knowing all this. These things are news to me.

I just want you guys not to fight but read points of each other, we can discuss all this in a healthy way.

Manush and Singh-a-lions are putting their points up.

Just because we don't challenge our Holy books, doesn't mean we cannot.

I would question if I had read these books.

I see valid points by you both.
 

Sadhu

Well-known member
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ลgǝи†.47,
The reason I know so much abt Sikhism is bcoz i too am a Sikh. I may not b a keshdhari.
But my father is. He's infact an Amritdhari. N my mother comes from a family of sikh priests.
By d time she was 15 she cud recite d entire guru granth by heart.
I nvr said dat b4 coz I kno nobody is gonna believe it.

And.
Guru Nanak was an enlightened human being. His followers r not. U can't force ppl to b enlightened.
Sikhism is totally interconnecetd with Hinduism. It's entire philosophical content comes from
Hinduism. It's essense is d same as Vedanta or sufism. It's a culmination of d Bhakti movement,
some call it a hindu renaissance, which started in d 7th century in southern India. Whatever Nanak
preached was being preached in other parts of India 800 yrs b4 his birth.

800 yrs b4 Nanaks birth d saints of d Bhabti movement in south India started rejecting d caste system,
denied d supremacy of d Brahmins, condemned ritual sacrifice n othr rituals. According to Bhakti saints
all these were nt necessary for Moksha. They insisted on Bhakti and the worship of the one God,
n that Moksha was attaianble by everyone..

Tho it was essentially considered unorthodox d Bhakti movement co-existed peacefully wid d other
movements in Hinduism. In the course of time, however, owing to its immense popularity among d
masses (and even gaining royal patronage) it became d important modes of religious expression,
and continues to b in modern India..

Kabeer n Nanak popularised dat same message in Norther India like no one b4 them.

D bhakti movement was possible bcoz hinduism needed it.
N Nanak too was possible bcoz hinduism needed him..
Sikhism is d child of necessity dat ws felt by d Hindu's.

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Singh-a-lion

Prime VIP
Manush, man if you know all that stuff you must've got good knowledge of the religions.

Hatts off to you guys for knowing all this. These things are news to me.

I just want you guys not to fight but read points of each other, we can discuss all this in a healthy way.

Manush and Singh-a-lions are putting their points up.

Just because we don't challenge our Holy books, doesn't mean we cannot.

I would question if I had read these books.

I see valid points by you both.

I m not here to say bad about any religion.
I m just after pakhand which happen in my religion aswell.
Guru nanak wasnt after any religion he was after pakhand.
He also wrote in gurbani ke ik bhramin kidda da hove. Te oss bharamin nu satkaar v ditta gurbani cha.
I was a hindu before.
Dats y i knw the pakhands happen in hindu relegion.
Bt now i m a sikh and very happy with sikhism.
It was an eyeopening for me when i came in.
 

ลgǝи†.47

Codename 47
Manush, good to know all that bro. I respect your knowledge and knowledge about the loop holes that still are carried over

Singh-a-lion , no one is pointing at you bro. I am just saying that we are here to discuss.

You are definitely free to choose whatever you like. That's the whole point of religion. Jehra wadia lagda ohnu follow karo par chajj naal karo. Andhwishwash and wishwaas ch jada fark nahi hai. Keep it simple :)
 

Dhillon

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I m just after pakhand which happen in my religion aswell.
Guru nanak wasnt after any religion he was after pakhand.

Bt now i m a sikh and very happy with sikhism.

fer tusi happy kidha hoye jadh aje takk Sikhi de basics hi fulfill ni hoye :-?

pakhand ta aje bhi hunda, te castism bhi pehla wangar hi hai.
 

KARAN

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The reason I know so much abt Sikhism is bcoz i too am a Sikh. I may not b a keshdhari.
But my father is. He's infact an Amritdhari. N my mother comes from a family of sikh priests.
By d time she was 15 she cud recite d entire guru granth by heart.
I nvr said dat b4 coz I kno nobody is gonna believe it.

tu kehna b tu sikh aa. fer te me kehna fitte muh ne ohna sikha de hi jiha tenu eh sikhaya b guru granth sahib ji ch jihna de naam likhe ne ohna di caste nu mention krn lyi likhe ne. laahnti ne oh bnde te..
bdi vdiya gall aa teri mata ji ne santha lyi a chote hunde to hi, fer ohna to hi sikh lenda kuj..
ja ohna nu sikhaun wale vi ehi kehnde vi caste dasan lyi naam likhe ne ?
 

ลgǝи†.47

Codename 47
fer tusi happy kidha hoye jadh aje takk Sikhi de basics hi fulfill ni hoye :-?

pakhand ta aje bhi hunda, te castism bhi pehla wangar hi hai.

Caste system hi ta khatam karan layi Guru Nanak Dev ji ne Sikh Dharam di saajna kiti si , par hoya ki. Caste system ta hale vi chalda Hindu , Sikh , Muslims sab ch hai eh

Pakhand har dharam wich hai. Je Rabb sade wich hai Mandir, Gurudware, Masjid ,Church wagera jaake apa ki karde haan ? pakhand hi hai oh ta fer.
 
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