Mass Mass Moorakh Kar Moorak Jhagra - Giani Sant Maskeen ji

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eethe ee sabit ho reha ...k maas maas kar moorkah jhaggerdey ne...lol....hahaha matlab meat khana yan naa khaan utte behas karni murkhaa da kamm aa hahaha ee sabit ho reha haha
 

rickybadboy

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Re: Mass Mass Moorakh Kar Moorak Jhagra - Giani Sant Maskeen

main ta video te tittle nu leke puch reha c :thinking
 
Re: Mass Mass Moorakh Kar Moorak Jhagra - Giani Sant Maskeen

Lao ji video post krn waleya ne bhave ik vari zindagi cha path na kita hove te gallan vadiya vadiya. Lol
 

King Singh

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eethe ee sabit ho reha ...k maas maas kar moorkah jhaggerdey ne...lol....hahaha matlab meat khana yan naa khaan utte behas karni murkhaa da kamm aa hahaha ee sabit ho reha haha
Exactly!!

You are very wise my friend!

Here is the shabad that Giani ji is talking about complete with English transliteration and translation.


Guru Nanak Devji tackled this entire issue head on and rubbished the claims of so called spiritual people who thought themselves more pious and religious simply because they did not eat meat.
Page 1289 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

mehlaa 1.
maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai.
ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.
gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay.
maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.
farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai.
naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.
anDhaa so-ay je anDh kamaavai tis ridai se lochan naahee.
maat pitaa kee rakat nipannay machhee maas na khaaNhee.

First Mehl:
The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.
What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?
It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.
Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.
They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.
O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.
They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.
They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat.
Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji


This Shabad specifically deals with the arguments that rage today about spirituality and meat eating. The purpose of this essay, stated in the beginning is not to look at meat eatings pros and cons in terms of the wider biological debate, but to look at I terms of Sikhism and spirituality. As Sikh, one should be concerned with getting into the triviality of such worthless debates and certainly one should not mistranslate, or misrepresent the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji to back up a certain point of view.



My particular concern is that halat in Punjab today. People seem more concerened about what to eat, not to eat, but they treat each other so badly. You can treat a fellow human being like dirt, but because you don't eat meat you are such a good fellow. If you, however eat meat, and treat fellow humans well, you are still evil because you eat meat.

Guru Nanak travelled all the way to Turkey to Assam abd Lanka. He found good and bad in all people, and he found nothing that would confirm that goodness is linked to diet, or Karma. One's deeds and actions are far more important.

Here are some selected Tukhs from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji:


Food For Thought

Meat classifed with good foods such as bread, not bad foods such as wine

The body is the bottle, self-conceit is the wine, and desire is the company of drinking companions. The glass of the mind longing is filled to overflowing with falsehood; the Messenger of Death is the bartender. Drinking in this wine, O Nanak, one takes on countless vices and corruption. So make spiritual wisdom your molasses, and the Praise of God your bread; let the Fear of God be the dish of meat. O Nanak, this is the true food; let the True Name be your only Support.
Baba Mardana, Bihagara, pg. 553

In the society of the times meat was avoided by Hindus and certain kinds by the Muslims. The Gurus tried to explain to these people that it was not eating meat was not the real sin but:
Taking anothers right is the real thing to be avoided

"Nanak, another's right is swine for him (the Musalman) and cow for him (the Hindu)."
(Guru Nanak, pg. 141)



Falsehood is the real thing to avoid


"By uttering falsehood, man eats meat, Yet, he goes to admonish others. Such appears to be the leader, O' Nanak! who himself is beguiled and beguiles his comrades."
(Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 140)



"Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat."
(Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg. 24)



Evil intellect, heartlesness, slander and wrath are the real things to avoid


Evil-intellect is the she drummer, heartlessness is the butcheress, others slander in the heart is a sweepress and deceitful wrath is a pariah-woman.

(Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 91)



Avarice, falsehood, cheatings and slander are the real things to avoid


Avarice is a dog., falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat. Slandering others solely amounts to puting other’s filth in ones own mouth and fire of wrath is a pariah.


(Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg.15)


The Gurus clearly stated what are sins throughout the Guru Granth Sahib, nowhere is eating meat mentioned as being one of these sins.

"Taking halter, men go out at night to strangle others, but the Lord knows all, O mortal. Concealed in places they look at other women. They break into places, difficult to acceess and enjoy wine deeming it sweet. Over their respective misdeeds, they shall themselves afterwards regret. Azrail, the courier of death shall crush them like the mill full of sesame."
(Guru Arjan Dev, Pauri, pg. 315)



"Renounce sexual pleasures, wrath, falsehood and calumny, forsake worldly valuables and dispel pride. Put aside the lust for belles and leave worldly love. Then shalt thou obtain the bright Lord amidst the dark world. Eschew self-adoration, egotism and affection for thy sons and wife. Shed thirst and desire for wealth and embrace love for the omnipresent Lord. Nanak, he, in whose mind the True One abides, through the True Gurbani gets absorbed in God's Name."
(Guru Ram Das, pg. 141)



"Abandon lust, wrath, avarice and worldly love. Thus be rid of both birth and death. Distress and darkness shall depart from thy home, when, within thee, the Guru implants wisdom and lights the Divine lamp. He, who serves the Lord crosses the sea of life. Through the Guru, O slave Nanak, the entire world is saved."
(Guru Arjan Dev, Gauri, pg. 241)



"In the fire of desire, avarice, arrogance and excessive egotism the man is burning. He repeatedly goes, comes and loses his honour. His life he wastes away in vain. Rare is the person who understands Gurbani."
(Guru Amar Das, Majh, pg 120)

The superstitions of the impurity of certain foods such as meat exposed and the real emphasis revealed:

"If the principle of impurity be admitted, then there is impurity everywhere.
In cow-dung and wood there are worms.
As many as are the grains of corn, none is without life.
In the first place there is life in water, by which, all are made green.
How can impurity be warded off? It falls on our own kitchen.
Nanak, impurity is not removed like this. It is washed away by Divine Knowledge.
The mind's impurity is avarice and the tongue's impurity falsehood.
The impurity of the eyes is to behold another's woman, another's wealth and beauty.
The impurity of the ears is to hear the slander of others with ears,
Nanak, mortal's soul goes bout to the city of death.
All impurity consists in doubt and attachment to duality.
Birth and death are subject to Lord's command and through His will mortal comes and goes.
Eating and drinking are pure, for the Lord has given sustenance to all.
Nanak, the Gurmukh who know the Lord, to them impurity sticks not."
(Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 472)



"What can be achieved by eating and what by dressing, so long as that True Lord abides not in the man's mind? What is fruit, what clarified butter and sweet molasses, what fine flour and what meat? What is rainment and what comfortable couch to enjoy sexual intercourse and revelments? Of what use is an army and of what the mace-bearers, servants and coming and dwelling in mansions? Nanak, without the True Name, the entire paraphernalia is perishable."
(Guru Nanak, pg. 142)



"The True food is the Lord's love. So says the True Guru. With the True food I am appeased and with Truth I am delighted."
(Guru Angad, Pauri, pg. 146)



"The world-hardened men, who eat poison by repeatedly telling lies, the Lord Himself has led astray. They know not the ultimate reality of departure, and increase the poison of lust and wrath."
(Guru Amar Das, Pauri, pg. 145)



"Without the Name all, which man wears and eats is poison. By praising the True Name one merges in the True Master."
(Guru Nanak, Pauri, pg.144)



"By reading and reciting men grow weary but they obtain not peace. By desire they are consumed, and they have no knowledge of it. Poison they purchase and for the love of poison they are thirsty. By telling lies they eat poison."
(Guru Amrar Das, Majh, pg. 120)



"I have tasted and seen all other relishes but to my mind the God's dainty is the sweetest of all."
(Guru Arjan Dev, Majh, pg.100)



"Do thou only that by which filth may not attach to thee, and this soul of thine may remain awake in singing God's praises.
Meditate on the One Lord, and think not duality.
In the guild of saints repeat only the Name.
Rituals, duty, religious rites, fasting and worship are all covered recognising none else in sans the Supreme Lord.
Of him the toil is approved, whose affection is with his own Master.
Infinitely invaluable is that vegetarian (Vishnavite), says Nanak; who renounced sins."
( Guru Arjan Dev, Gauri, pg. 199)



"Let somone sing, someone hear, someone reflect on, someone preach the Name of God and somone fix it in his mind, he shall forthwith be saved. His sins shall be effaced, he shall become pure and his filth of many births shall be washed off. In this world and the next world, his countenance shall be bright, and mammon shall not affect him. He is the man of wisdom, he the vegetarian, he the divine and the man of wealth; He is the hero, and he is of high family, who has meditated on the Fortunate Lord."
( Guru Arjan Dev, Pauri, pg. 300)



"Self-conceit and wealth are all poison. Attached therewith, man ever suffers loss in this world. By pondering on the Name, the Guru-ward earns the profit of God's wealth. By placing God and God's elixir in the mind, the poison of the filth of ego is removed."
( Guru Ram Das, Slok, pg. 300)



"The attachment of all the visible objects is all impurity. Due to this, the mortal dies and is reborn again and again. Impurity is in fire, air and water. Within all the food, which we eat, there is pollution. Defilement is in mans actions as he performs not God's worship."
( Guru Amar Das, Gauri Guareri, pg. 229)



"Without the Name all, which man wears and eats is poison. By praising the True Name one merges in the True Master."
( Guru Nanak, Pauri, pg.144)



"The True food is the Lord's love. So says the True Guru. With the True food I am appeased and with Truth I am delighted."
( Guru Angad, Pauri, pg. 146)


The vegetable feels pain just as the animal does, there is no difference.

"See, that the sugarcane is sheared. After cleansing and chopping off its plumes, its feet are bound to form it into bundles. Placing it in between the wooden rollers of the press, they crush and award it punishment. Extracting the juice, they put it in the cauldron and it groans as it burns. Even the empty crushed cane is collected and is burnt in the fire. Nanak, how the sweet-leaved sugar-cane is treated, come and see, O’ people!"
( Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 143)


Glorious God is compared not only to the fish and the net but also to a fisherman - a killer of fish for food.

"He Himself is the fisherman and the fish and Himself the water and the net. He Himself is the metal ball of the net and Himself the bait within."
( Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg. 23)

There is no difference between plants and animals. God in his perfection has designed all living things to eat what they eat. We eat meat as part of the natural order of all living things designed by God. Man has been eating meat and vegetables for millions of years, God has not designed meat eating human beings in error. The only things banned for Sikhs are all unnatural manipulations of natural foods - tobacco, drugs, alcohol all unnatural manipulations of vegetation, and all banned for Sikhs.

"When Thou art true, then all, that flows from Thee is true. Absolutely nothing is false. Talking, seeing, uttering, living, walking and perishing are from Thee, O' Lord! Nanak, the True Lord Himself creates by His order, and in His order He keeps all the beings."
(Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 145)



"The tigers, hawks, kites and falcons, them the Lord causes to eat grass. Who eats grass, them He causes to eat meat. This way of life He can set agoing."
(Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 144)



"God Himself has made the earth and Himself the sky. He of Himself created the beings therein, and of Himself puts morsels (food) in their mouths. All by Himself He pervades everywhere and Himself is the treasure of excellences. Remember Thou God's Name, O slave Nanak, and He shall efface all thine sins."
(Guru Ram Das, Slok, pg. 302)



"They walk in a single file, brush the ground before they lay their foot on it all this they do to avoid killing life, but it is God who giveth and taketh life."
(Guru Gobind Singh, 33 Swayyas, Dasam Granth)



"There is but one breath, all are identical in matter and among all the entire light is the same. The One Light is contained among all the different and diverse things."
(Guru Ram Das, Majh, pg. 96)



"Many millions of beings, the Lord has made of good many descriptions. From the Lord they emanated and into the Lord shall they be absorbed."
(Guru Arjan Dev, Ashtpadi, pg. 276)



"In forests, grass blades and mountains, the Supreme Lord is contained. As is His will so are His creatures acts. The Lord is in wind, water and fire. He is permeating the four quarters and ten directions. There is no place without Him."
(Guru Arjan Dev, Ashtpadi, pg. 294)



Amongst all the forms, the Lord Himself is contained.
Through all the eyes, He Himself is the beholder.
The whole creation is His Body.
His praises He Himself hears.
He has made coming and going as a play.
He has rendered mammon subservient to Him.
Though amidst everything He remains unattached.
Whatever is to be said, He Himself says.
By His order man comes and by His order he goes.
Nanak, when it pleases Him, He blends the mortal with Himself, than.
Whatever comes from Him, that cannot be bad.
.....All that He does must be accepted. Through Guru's grace, Nanak has come to know this.
(Guru Arjan Dev, Ashtpadi, pg. 294)



"I have heard the One Lord to be the treasure of imperishable peace. God is said to be fully filling the ocean, dry land, sky and every heart. He looks equally adorned amongst all the high and low, an ant and an elephant. The friends, comrades, sons and relatives are all created by Him."

(Guru Arjan Dev, Slok, pg. 319)



"His plays, He Himself enacts. Coming and going, visible and invisible and the entire world, He has made obedient to Himself."
(Guru Arjan Dev, Ashtpadi, pg. 281)


Meat prepared by the Muslim ritual slaughter is banned for Sikhs

"Yet holding the knife, the world they butcher. Wearing blue the rulers approval they seek; With money derived from mlechhas the Puranas they worship. Goats slaughtered over the unapproved Muslims texts they eat."
(Guru Nanak, Raga Asa, pg. 472)


We have far more important things to worry about like female abortion, debt, drugs and alcohol, false sants and baba's, education, health, caste system etc.
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Re: Mass Mass Moorakh Kar Moorak Jhagra - Giani Sant Maskeen

For your information I am an Amritdhari Sikh. Please do not presume to know me.:thappar
Amritdhari ho ke banda singh sajda pehli vaar dekheya koi amrit shaq ke sikh baneya lol. Sikh taan asi sare pehlan hi aa by birth ndd singh sajda amritdhari ho ke. Nale apne thapar control cha rakh. Kisse din hath chad gaya taan edan da ragdu k sari umar yaad rakhu:thappar
 

Da Tiwana

Inspector Sa'ab ;)
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can somebody please elaborate on how killing an animal is different in halal n jhatka?
i know the difference in how it is performed, but the end is by an innocent living being getting killed.
if Guru Ji were against the ritual killing(halal) of muslims, then how can They endorse the ritual killing(jhatka) of hindus?
will this not mean that Guru Ji were maintaining double standards?
so my humble request is that kindly think before u put sumthin on the forum.
 
Re: Mass Mass Moorakh Kar Moorak Jhagra - Giani Sant Maskeen

can somebody please elaborate on how killing an animal is different in halal n jhatka?
i know the difference in how it is performed, but the end is by an innocent living being getting killed.
if Guru Ji were against the ritual killing(halal) of muslims, then how can They endorse the ritual killing(jhatka) of hindus?
will this not mean that Guru Ji were maintaining double standards?
so my humble request is that kindly think before u put sumthin on the forum.
Oh veer copy paste krn waleya nu ki pata. Lol. Gurumahraj kehnde jehnu khan jaa peen naal mat gandi hove oh cheez na khao na peo. Nd meat khana taan rakshashan da bhojan aa bandeya da ni. Nale jehne khana hove ohde kol 100 bahane. Ohne kehna gurumahraj ne kite manah ni kita ess kr ke khao. Ohnu puche je roz sehaj path kare tan kuch pata lagge. Copy paste krke thodo pata lagna. Eh sare ohdon toon tappan lagge jado da ik veer sada unp toon chale gaya. Jado tak oh c koi ni bolda c. Hun taan sade bappu da ladla te pps veer hi zindabaad aa. :so
 

King Singh

Member
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Amritdhari ho ke banda singh sajda pehli vaar dekheya koi amrit shaq ke sikh baneya lol. Sikh taan asi sare pehlan hi aa by birth ndd singh sajda amritdhari ho ke. Nale apne thapar control cha rakh. Kisse din hath chad gaya taan edan da ragdu k sari umar yaad rakhu:thappar
Sikhs aren't born they are created. I see plenty of laloo panjoo's calling themselves Sikh and do not even know the Rehat Maryada.

Do you know the Rehat Maryada?:rolleyes:
 

King Singh

Member
Re: Mass Mass Moorakh Kar Moorak Jhagra - Giani Sant Maskeen

can somebody please elaborate on how killing an animal is different in halal n jhatka?
i know the difference in how it is performed, but the end is by an innocent living being getting killed.
if Guru Ji were against the ritual killing(halal) of muslims, then how can They endorse the ritual killing(jhatka) of hindus?
will this not mean that Guru Ji were maintaining double standards?
so my humble request is that kindly think before u put sumthin on the forum.
You are missing the point.

People will always disagree and agree on things. In Punjab we have people who will not eat meat and think killing anaimals is wrong. Other see no problem.

The reason for Jhatka is explained in the following article:

Jhatka



Jhatka or Chatka meat (Hindi झटका Hindustani pronunciation: [dʒʰəʈkɑ] jhaṭkā, Punjabi: ਝਟਕਾ IPA: [tʃə̀ʈkɑ] chàṭkā, from Sanskrit ghātaka "killing") is meat from an animal which has been killed by a single strike of a sword or axe to sever the head, as opposed to Jewish slaughter (shechita) or Islamic slaughter (dhabihah) in which the animal is killed by ritually slicing the throat.

Jhatka meat and Sikhs

Jhatka for Sikhs is the antithesis[1][2] of ritual slaughter. As stated in the official Khalsa Code of Conduct,[3] Kutha meat is forbidden, and Sikhs are recommended to eat the jhatka form of meat, as they do not believe that any ritual gives meat a spiritual virtue (ennobles the flesh).[4][5]


For Sikhs jhatka karna or jhatkaund refers to the instantaneous severing of the head of an animal with a single stroke of any weapon, with the underlying intention of killing the animal whilst causing it minimal suffering.


During the British Raj, jhatka meat was not allowed in jails and Sikh detainees during the Akali movement and beyond had to resort to violence and agitations to secure this right. Among the terms in the settlement between the Akalis and the Muslim Unionist government in Punjab in 1942 was that jhatka meat be continued as a Sikh Martial Heritage.
Hindus and jhatka

Historically and currently,[6] those Hindus who eat meat prescribe jhatka meat.[7][8] This is a common method of slaughter when Bali Sacrifices are made to some Hindu deities, however, Vedic rituals such as Agnicayana involved the strangulation of sacrificial goats.[9] Many Shaivite Hindus engage in jhatka methods as part of religious dietary laws, as influenced by some Shakta doctrines, which permit the consumption of meat (except beef, which is universally proscribed in Hinduism). During Durga Puja and Kali Puja among some Shaivite Hindus in Punjab, Bengal and Kashmir, Jhatka meat is the required meat for those Shaivite Hindus who eat meat.
Availability of jhatka meat

In India, there are many jhatka shops, with various bylaws requiring shops to display clearly that they sell jhatka meat.[10]
In the past, there has been little availability of jhatka meat in the United Kingdom, so people have found themselves eating other types of meat,[11] although jhatka has become more widely available in the United Kingdom.[12]


On religious Sikh festivals, including Hola Mohalla and Vaisakhi, at the Gurdwara of Hazur Sahib, Fatehgarh Sahib and many other Sikh Gurdwaras,[13] jhatka meat is offered as "mahaprasad" to all visitors in a Gurdwara. This is regarded as food blessed by the Guru and should not be refused.
Petition by www.jhatka.org

Petition for fair treatment to Jhatka has been filed by Ravi Singh creator of www.jhatka.org and is pending review before the Parliament of India.[14]

References


  1. ^ Jhatka, The Sikh Encyclopedia
  2. ^ What is Jhatka Meat and Why?
  3. ^ 10 Misconception Regarding Sikhs
  4. ^ Singh, I. J., Sikhs and Sikhism ISBN 81-7304-058-3 And one Semitic practice clearly rejected in the Sikh code of conduct is eating flesh of an animal cooked in ritualistic manner; this would mean kosher and halal meat. The reason again does not lie in religious tenet but in the view that killing an animal with a prayer is not going to ennoble the flesh. No ritual, whoever conducts it, is going to do any good either to the animal or to the diner. Let man do what he must to assuage his hunger. If what he gets, he puts to good use and shares with the needy, then it is well used and well spent, otherwise not.
  5. ^ Mini Encyclopaedia of Sikhism by H.S. Singha, Hemkunt Press, Delhi. ISBN 81-7010-200-6 The practice of the Gurus is uncertain. Guru Nanak seems to have eaten venison or goat, depending upon different Janamsakhi versions of a meal which he cooked at Kurukshetra which evoked the criticism of Brahmins. Guru Amardas ate only rice and lentils but this abstention cannot be regarded as evidence of vegetarianism, only of simple living. Guru Gobind Singh also permitted the eating of meat but he prescribed that it should be jhatka meat and not Halal meat that is jagged in the Muslim fashion.
  6. ^ "The Hindu : Sci Tech / Speaking Of Science : Changes in the Indian menu over the ages". Hinduonnet.com. 2004-10-21. Retrieved 2010-02-03.
  7. ^ Das, Veena (13 February 2003). The Oxford India companion to sociology and social anthropology, Volume 1. 1. OUP India. p. 151. ISBN 0195645820. Retrieved 13 June 2010.
  8. ^ Rao, K .Krishna (1 January 2006). "7". Introduction to Indian Social Anthropology (1 ed.). Global Vision Publishing House, India. p. 282. ISBN 8182200776.
  9. ^ Nripendr Kumar Dutt (4 Nov 2008). Origin and Growth of Caste in India (C. B.C. 2000-300). Unknown. p. 195. ISBN 1443735906. Retrieved 26 July 2010.
  10. ^ Order No. Tax/F.15(25)DLB/63 Published in the Govt. Gazette on 13-02-1965 (Part 6)
  11. ^ Sikh women in England: their religious and cultural beliefs and social practices By S. K. Rait, p. 63 Trentham Books, 2005 ISBN 1-85856-353-4
  12. ^ Food safety and quality assurance: foods of animal origin By William T. Hubbert, Page 254 Wiley-Blackwell, 1996 ISBN 0-8138-0714-X
  13. ^ "The most special occasion of the Chhauni is the festival of Diwali which is celebrated for ten days. This is the only Sikh shrine at Amritsar where Maha Prasad (meat) is served on special occasions in Langar", The Sikh review, Volume 35, Issue 409 - Volume 36, Issue 420, Sikh Cultural Centre, 1988
  14. ^ Singh, Ravi Ranjan (14 December 2009). "Copy of the Petition before Parliament of India". To The Committee on Petitions on ‘Food Without Discrimination’.. www.jhatka.org. p. 1. Retrieved 7 July 2010.
 
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