Ik geet against khalistan...

[♪ LaLLi ♪]

veer ii respect you but question not this why we want khalistan.? I think india and you should ask question to yourself..that why our own people are against us.. why most of south India want separate country.?why naxalwaad getting bigger day by day?why we failed to deliver justice to siks and other minority's?

eh da jawab aa politics bas ... tusi 1947 toh bas eh politician de hath ch fase ho..thn ohi 1984 ch hoya ... jo game player ne oh bhut ache naal game play kar rey .. tuhanu sareya nu alag kar ke.. tuhada mind divert karke ... ik bolda insaaf deo ,,naal 2 polician aa jande bolde ..main hindu tu muslim oh sikh .. eh ki aa? kuj ni ... is da fayda aam janta nu ni milna , na hi koi result bas pyar banao .. apne andar duje lai pyar banao.. aape next generation theek ho jani...dhanwad

 

[userid 56304]

Without Gobind Sagar reservoir, Sutlej would flood Punjab in monsoon and provide scarce water for rest of year.

So shouldn't Punjab pay to Himachal for keeping us safe in Monsoons and provide usable water for rest of year ?

That reservoir is used by Tourism industry their to hold water sports when the water is high in October and November. It is also used for fishing and has been declared a water fowl refuge that provides habitat to different species of birds and animal.

So, Himachal does already derive benefits from it.

 

[Dhillon]

That reservoir is used by Tourism industry their to hold water sports when the water is high in October and November. It is also used for fishing and has been declared a water fowl refuge that provides habitat to different species of birds and animal.

So, Himachal does already derive benefits from it.

lol, not quite.

1. HP doesn't depend on Gobind Sagar for tourism, they'd rather have the occupied land back.

2. It ruined animal and human habitat.

3. Around 100 ancient temples are submerged in the lake. they'd rather have them back for religious tourism.


whereas Punjab has only benefited from Bhakra project and we are still very unhappy.

 

[deep]

what is the solution then? The problems that we have been rambling about still exist.

yaar es time punjab govt nu bahut aid mildi centre govt ton, bathere loan v ne pujab govt te (jehre menu nahin lagda ke pay off ho sakde ne due to poor policies for Pb Govt) te aje v punjab sarkar kol lokan nu time te den nu tankhah nahin hundi te je kite galti naal v eh independent ho gaya tan lokan nu ki deya karange kanak te jhona?

fund centre to aonde ne ( proof: 9 crore 84 lakh school books layi aye si education minister kha gaya)
bijli asin himachal to lene haan, coal asin west bengal to lene haan,
loha sara bihar, MP te hor states ton aunda.

te je apan kahiye ke punjab kanak te jhona export karke survive kar sakda tan bathere countries ne jehre sade ton v sasti kanak vechde ne, so kanak export di koi option nahin, reha jhona - 80% tan parmal hunda jehra bihar up ya hor states ch consume hunda, export tan sirf basmati hundi - te i dont think ke enne ku te ik state/country survive kar laoo, enne ch tan badal diyan BMWs hi aa jaan batheriyan

 

[deep]

That reservoir is used by Tourism industry their to hold water sports when the water is high in October and November. It is also used for fishing and has been declared a water fowl refuge that provides habitat to different species of birds and animal.

So, Himachal does already derive benefits from it.

bai i dont know think if you ever visited any hydal power project,
ik hydal power project layi jinni jagah chahidi te us jagah nu acquire karan layi lokan nu ditte muafze hi enna ban janda ke aah water sports/fishing naal je 100 saal ch us kharche da 10% v recover ho jave tan i think its more than enough.
baki us reservoir di maintenance/flood gates di maintenance/ staff who works for it v recover nahin hundi unna water sports/fishing naal.

 

[deep]

Indian defence ki aa...bakwas aa..........appa ta trust ni karde ...naa sarkar nu, naa defence services nu......
pella v bakwas si, aj v bakwas aa.....parmaan dekh lo....
10 bande boat te beh ke desh ch enter kar jaande...3 din bhartu paa ke rakhya....ehna nu samjh ni aai ki kariye.....koi plan of action nahi

border de patrolling karde faujiya da koi ser laah ke lae gaya............dasso yaar hadd aa...........jo apni rakhya nahi kar sakde saadi svah karan ge....

main ta Bhindranwale de hakk ch aa.....aap hathyar rakho, apni rakhya aap karo........nothing wrong in keeping arms and fortifying your residences, palaces etc....

apne defence lai hathyar rakhne changi gal aa...........je sapp lang je baad jo lakeer kutte da koi faida nahi..........

bhaji eddan tan fer defence kise v country di koi ni, 9/11 waleya america aye ethe ake enne ton sikh ke enna te attach kar gaye ki kar leya amrika ne ajtak case tak tan chala nahin sake.
boston blast ch kithe si enna di inteligence ye defence.

main eh nahin keh reha ke tusi galat ho, i am just saying ke defence ch lapses kite v possible ne.

 

[pps309]

yaar es time punjab govt nu bahut aid mildi centre govt ton, bathere loan v ne pujab govt te (jehre menu nahin lagda ke pay off ho sakde ne due to poor policies for Pb Govt) te aje v punjab sarkar kol lokan nu time te den nu tankhah nahin hundi te je kite galti naal v eh independent ho gaya tan lokan nu ki deya karange kanak te jhona?

fund centre to aonde ne ( proof: 9 crore 84 lakh school books layi aye si education minister kha gaya)
bijli asin himachal to lene haan, coal asin west bengal to lene haan,
loha sara bihar, MP te hor states ton aunda.

te je apan kahiye ke punjab kanak te jhona export karke survive kar sakda tan bathere countries ne jehre sade ton v sasti kanak vechde ne, so kanak export di koi option nahin, reha jhona - 80% tan parmal hunda jehra bihar up ya hor states ch consume hunda, export tan sirf basmati hundi - te i dont think ke enne ku te ik state/country survive kar laoo, enne ch tan badal diyan BMWs hi aa jaan batheriyan

Deep 22 ji, you are talking about economic viability of Punjab state to survive alone.
Let me first clear something related to AID by central govt. It is their duty and state's right because highest tax (i.e. tax on income, partial tax on fuel etc) goes to center and center has moral obligation to return it back. It's fair game of give & take. koi ehsaan nahi kardi center punjab te.

Baki corruption ta system de naal aa. System corrupted aa te fer Badal yaa captain kittho bach jaane. System badle, enna sarreya te case paake enna nu jaila ch thoko, jivve german ch hitler de raaj to baad naziya naal hoya c.

Now back to economic viability, I am not an economist. But couple of things I can still see.......
Punjab being agro-based state, many agro-based, food processing industry can come up.
Lets say Punjabi farmer shed load on Wheat & paddy, instead goes to cane sugar and eventually put up sugar mills and produce own goods and export.
Same way, lets say cotton crop, eventually processed further in cloth mills to get clothes, processed further to get readymade garments and export.
Same way, fruits, processed further to form pasteurised juices and export.
Then setting up biotech labs, other research labs do not require something from under the ground but good knowledge, education system. When system is changed why not change education system. Why to have only one PAU, why not PAU like universities animal husbandry, botanical labs and research, devicing new breeds and export...
When we make exports, we can do imports (chahe fer oh loha hove yaa minerals yaa bijli).

These things could be planned and executed if there is will. There are 30 countries in the world which has size less then Punjab and they are going on.

Also allied countries, or friendly countries do give AID to upcoming developing countries.
Letstake example of India, it got AID, even gets it today and also gives it. please read the below article...

British aid to India, which amounts to $450 million per year

U.S. aid to India, targeted toward clean energy, food security and health, has dropped 25 percent in recent years, from nearly $127 million in 2010 to a proposed $98.3 million in 2013.

In 1958, for instance, Britain offered India some ₤40 million in foreign aid, as India struggled to build a nation and implement its second five-year economic plan.

For India, once the world’s largest foreign aid recipient, with some $55 billion funneled to the country between 1951 and 1992,

link to the article:http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/15/a-global-shift-in-foreign-aid-starting-in-india/?_r=0


I believe economic viability cannot be a reason to go against new sovereign state.

 

[pps309]

bhaji eddan tan fer defence kise v country di koi ni, 9/11 waleya america aye ethe ake enne ton sikh ke enna te attach kar gaye ki kar leya amrika ne ajtak case tak tan chala nahin sake.
boston blast ch kithe si enna di inteligence ye defence.

main eh nahin keh reha ke tusi galat ho, i am just saying ke defence ch lapses kite v possible ne.

Why US attacked Afghanistan? Why Iraq?
Because of 9/11, they are doing best to eliminate threat to them, their society, their citizens. I don't see such prompt action by India. Remeber last year when a guy killed Sikhs in Wisconsin Gurdwara, immediate action was taken. President announced act as terror and flags were lowered to half for 5 days. I don't see such happening in India when people were killed on roads, with burning tires in neck. How many riots against minorities happened in India? Any mourning or national grief? Any mastermind punished or acts branded as act of terror? Why not?

In India, incapability to protect their own citizens is shown again & again, it's not fair to comapre them with US system.

Yes there can be lapses, that's why in US ppl can keep gun to protect themselves, states have more power to decide their own rules, protect neighborhoods, their vegetation, environment etc etc. There is clear division of power, even city mayor has its own power, which state governor do not OVERRULE. City has its own police department independent of state.

Deep Bhaji in US political power do not vest in few hands, its really divided. people form caucuses, lobbies and decides their future. Yes, there can be lapses, loopholes, but their is an honest approach to keep the freedom of all communities. There is no hidden agendas to suppress different identities and mix them to keep only black or whites.

 

[userid 56304]

lol, not quite.

1. HP doesn't depend on Gobind Sagar for tourism, they'd rather have the occupied land back.

2. It ruined animal and human habitat.

3. Around 100 ancient temples are submerged in the lake. they'd rather have them back for religious tourism.


whereas Punjab has only benefited from Bhakra project and we are still very unhappy.

Dont just talk bro - Provide Source please?

The power generated at Bhakra Power houses is distributed among partner states of Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Himachal Pradesh. Gobind Sagar was created after the construction of Bhakra and a joint project of Himachal & Punjab.

It was declared as a water fowl refuge in 1962. Labeo dero, Tor pitutrata, Mystus seenghala and Mirror carp are some of the common species found here.

So, your suggestion that Himachal derives zero benefits from the Dam & reservoir is laughable at best. i am pretty sure Himachal benefits from it as much as we do. Electricity, Tourism & species habitat.

 

[userid 56304]

bai i dont know think if you ever visited any hydal power project,
ik hydal power project layi jinni jagah chahidi te us jagah nu acquire karan layi lokan nu ditte muafze hi enna ban janda ke aah water sports/fishing naal je 100 saal ch us kharche da 10% v recover ho jave tan i think its more than enough.
baki us reservoir di maintenance/flood gates di maintenance/ staff who works for it v recover nahin hundi unna water sports/fishing naal.

Tooh tah ehda gul karda jiven kite oh hydro project band piya.

You seem to FORGET? that all the states get ELECTRICITY from it including your beloved Himachal. We all PAY for it which should also go towards covering the cost. I did not think i would need to even mention this, bro.

Source - http://www.epw.in/system/files/pdf/1954_6/32-33-34/phased_power_production_in_bhakra_nangal.pdf

 

[userid 56304]

yaar es time punjab govt nu bahut aid mildi centre govt ton, bathere loan v ne pujab govt te (jehre menu nahin lagda ke pay off ho sakde ne due to poor policies for Pb Govt) te aje v punjab sarkar kol lokan nu time te den nu tankhah nahin hundi te je kite galti naal v eh independent ho gaya tan lokan nu ki deya karange kanak te jhona?

fund centre to aonde ne ( proof: 9 crore 84 lakh school books layi aye si education minister kha gaya)
bijli asin himachal to lene haan, coal asin west bengal to lene haan,
loha sara bihar, MP te hor states ton aunda.

te je apan kahiye ke punjab kanak te jhona export karke survive kar sakda tan bathere countries ne jehre sade ton v sasti kanak vechde ne, so kanak export di koi option nahin, reha jhona - 80% tan parmal hunda jehra bihar up ya hor states ch consume hunda, export tan sirf basmati hundi - te i dont think ke enne ku te ik state/country survive kar laoo, enne ch tan badal diyan BMWs hi aa jaan batheriyan

I totally agree curent Punjab sarkar is part of the problem. Ehna da bahut vaada hath a, state da bhatha baithaun ch. Lokan bevakoofa ne Manpreet Badal nu vote ni pai jad oh khara c. From the 80's till now, eh lutde hi aey ney tey har mude tey politics khed de even when Centre is doing something good. (ohna di hor problem a)

However, if Punjab was to become a seperate country or a more autonomous state, Badal would have been the first one to go. That is why eh terrorists da rona pitda rehnda. Naaley Canada tey Uk walean nu aiven badnaam karda rehnda: Ehnu pata, ehda raaj chala jana if people actually wake up.

On the more technical side of things. Punjab spent Rs 5,608 crore to purchase power during 2011-12 from other states. Like you said, Punjab is on the verge of bankruptcy can't even afford to pay its govt employees and Haryana wants water for FREE? : GTHO

I understand where you are coming from though. Jeh paani lai Haryana pay v karan lag gia tah v jana saara Badal Sahib de jeb ch hi a. However, that does not mean we should be giving away our resources for Free. Only solution i see is people of Punjab to become more educated and involved in the state affairs. Par Jattan de Kake fikar na faake :

Ehna nu loan chuk ke subsidies dai jao. eh Khush ney. Ehna nu puchan wala hove jad Badal tey ohda munda politics cho nikal ge...tax tah fir v tuhada hi vadhna. Meh tah kehna jehre loan dinde a oh bevakoof ney :

Only reason Badal is eating our state is because people let him. Anpar janta da kuch ni ho sakda. It's a double edged sword.

 

[Yaar Punjabi]

You have overestimated his influence back in 84. He was 'Romanticised' after his death.

veer ji it s good read for you..this article is full of source s and references
http://www.sikhcoalition.org/documents/pdf/SantJarnailSingh.pdf

 

[deep]

Tooh tah ehda gul karda jiven kite oh hydro project band piya.

You seem to FORGET? that all the states get ELECTRICITY from it including your beloved Himachal. We all PAY for it which should also go towards covering the cost. I did not think i would need to even mention this, bro.

Source - http://www.epw.in/system/files/pdf/1954_6/32-33-34/phased_power_production_in_bhakra_nangal.pdf

Bai main gal karda kyunki I have visited several hydal projects and watched their working very closely. tenu lagda ke bijli vech ke sab recover ho janda tan sare electricity board profit ch hunde, BBMB(bhakra beas management board) and NHPC govt sponsored ne, je kite bijli di kamayi te baithe hunde tan kad de band ho jane si.

Baki rahi gal mere beloved di, I was born and brought up in punjab te main jo v haan uh tha te pahunchan joga v punjab ton hoyan te jehre 84 ya terrorism di tu gallan karda oh sab main hunde dekheya te and even I have seen my dead relative killed by so called khalistani bcoz he was head of only hindu family in that village. Tere wang bahar beh ke net te parh ke gallan nahin karda

je a[an nu himachal enna aukha lagda tan apan bhul jane haan ke bhakra da main power plant v himachal ch hai, punjab ch tan sirf 2-3 chhote plant ne bhakra nehar te, uston ilawa punjab ch sirf thermal plant bachde ne, chala leo pathiyan naal punjab nu independent bana ke.

 

[Yaar Punjabi]

Desh nalo jada mainu apna ta apneya da fikar aa.

jedhe mitar pyare Gurgaon, Noida etc.. job karke parivar paal rahe, uhna da ki banu.

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No power can intimidate or interfere with those Sikh Indian citizens who prefer to remain in India. They are Indian citizens. If they wish to move to Khalistan, then it would be their choice. But no authority can compel those Indian Sikhs to adopt a course which they do not freely choose. veer ji Sikhs are an international community, not confined to India alone. They are citizens in every country of the world. Therefore, those Indian Sikhs can lose nothing by the establishment of Khalistan. They will be lawfully entitled to enjoy their citizenship rights in India if they stay there. jado pakistan bneya si taah ki sare muslim hi pakistan chale gye si???pakistan toh jyada muslim taah india ch baithe ne.
As Indian citizens they are entitled to continue making their home in India...

 

[deep]

I totally agree curent Punjab sarkar is part of the problem. Ehna da bahut vaada hath a, state da bhatha baithaun ch. Lokan bevakoofa ne Manpreet Badal nu vote ni pai jad oh khara c. From the 80's till now, eh lutde hi aey ney tey har mude tey politics khed de even when Centre is doing something good. (ohna di hor problem a)

However, if Punjab was to become a seperate country or a more autonomous state, Badal would have been the first one to go. That is why eh terrorists da rona pitda rehnda. Naaley Canada tey Uk walean nu aiven badnaam karda rehnda: Ehnu pata, ehda raaj chala jana if people actually wake up.

On the more technical side of things. Punjab spent Rs 5,608 crore to purchase power during 2011-12 from other states. Like you said, Punjab is on the verge of bankruptcy can't even afford to pay its govt employees and Haryana wants water for FREE? : GTHO

I understand where you are coming from though. Jeh paani lai Haryana pay v karan lag gia tah v jana saara Badal Sahib de jeb ch hi a. However, that does not mean we should be giving away our resources for Free. Only solution i see is people of Punjab to become more educated and involved in the state affairs. Par Jattan de Kake fikar na faake :

Ehna nu loan chuk ke subsidies dai jao. eh Khush ney. Ehna nu puchan wala hove jad Badal tey ohda munda politics cho nikal ge...tax tah fir v tuhada hi vadhna. Meh tah kehna jehre loan dinde a oh bevakoof ney :

Only reason Badal is eating our state is because people let him. Anpar janta da kuch ni ho sakda. It's a double edged sword.

bai you are correct we should not give water free to haryana, instead of that we should be ready to see floods from same satluj every year,
when reservoir gets full let that water released into villages that doesnot cost anything to us all.
every year punjab govt spend hundreds of crores as flood preparations and then after flood we spend another hundreds of crores to pay as compensation to several villages which gets destroyed due to those floods only bcoz Haryana doesnot pay for water.

shayad aj de paper ch hi news hai ke 36 pindan ch survey karan de order ditte gaye ne bcoz houses and crops were damaged in these villages due to floods from Satluj.

naale rahi gal badal nu pase karan di, hun kine rokeya janta tan ehi rehni bhanve punjab india ch hove te bhanve alag. enna lokan ne hi chuneya badal nu.

 

[Yaar Punjabi]

Bai main gal karda kyunki I have visited several hydal projects and watched their working very closely.
Baki rahi gal mere beloved di, I was born and brought up in punjab te main jo v haan uh tha te pahunchan joga v punjab ton hoyan te jehre 84 ya terrorism di tu gallan karda oh sab main hunde dekheya te and even I have seen my dead relative killed by so called khalistani bcoz he was head of only hindu family in that village. Tere wang bahar beh ke net te parh ke gallan nahin karda.

veer ji i respect your views.
veer ji some punjab police inspectors killed thousands innocent people..but i does not mean every punjab police officer is cruel and against Sikhism .or i should be against punjab police???
.in same way 40-50 so called fake khalistanis does not represent every khadku ..har movement ch kuch galat lok taah aa hi jande ne..kuch lok apne app nu khadku daske loka nu lutde rehe,,they just took benefit from that bad time...and some were sarkari khadku..oh sirf real khadkus nu badnaam karn lyi hi saan...ish tra de kuch khalistanis karke hi loka ne khakuaa te trust karna chadta si///,

 

[Yaar Punjabi]

India's food shortages are a matter of notoriety for the world administrations. Is India itself viable, economically, today when half of its annual budget is earmarked for the cost of food imports it needs as fodder for its teeming 500 millions, who increase by 20 million and more each year? India's debt owing to the U.S.A., even though payable in rupees, runs into almost 4 billion dollars, which India can never seriously hope to retire,
once the country is independent, specific policies can be drafted and adopted

 

[userid 56304]

bai you are correct we should not give water free to haryana, instead of that we should be ready to see floods from same satluj every year,
when reservoir gets full let that water released into villages that doesnot cost anything to us all.
every year punjab govt spend hundreds of crores as flood preparations and then after flood we spend another hundreds of crores to pay as compensation to several villages which gets destroyed due to those floods only bcoz Haryana doesnot pay for water.

shayad aj de paper ch hi news hai ke 36 pindan ch survey karan de order ditte gaye ne bcoz houses and crops were damaged in these villages due to floods from Satluj.

naale rahi gal badal nu pase karan di, hun kine rokeya janta tan ehi rehni bhanve punjab india ch hove te bhanve alag. enna lokan ne hi chuneya badal nu.

Isto pehla ki meh apna reply devan...let me ask you....how would your proposed solution to this water row work?

You seriously think Punjab has water to spare for Haryana especially with the below land water levels dropping so alarmingly?

Aiven bujharta na pa bro, changi tarah samjha jeh samjhauna kuch. Fir meh post karunga.

 

[userid 56304]

Bai main gal karda kyunki I have visited several hydal projects and watched their working very closely. tenu lagda ke bijli vech ke sab recover ho janda tan sare electricity board profit ch hunde, BBMB(bhakra beas management board) and NHPC govt sponsored ne, je kite bijli di kamayi te baithe hunde tan kad de band ho jane si.

Baki rahi gal mere beloved di, I was born and brought up in punjab te main jo v haan uh tha te pahunchan joga v punjab ton hoyan te jehre 84 ya terrorism di tu gallan karda oh sab main hunde dekheya te and even I have seen my dead relative killed by so called khalistani bcoz he was head of only hindu family in that village. Tere wang bahar beh ke net te parh ke gallan nahin karda

je a[an nu himachal enna aukha lagda tan apan bhul jane haan ke bhakra da main power plant v himachal ch hai, punjab ch tan sirf 2-3 chhote plant ne bhakra nehar te, uston ilawa punjab ch sirf thermal plant bachde ne, chala leo pathiyan naal punjab nu independent bana ke.

[Reserved for Reply]

 

[Dhillon]

Isto pehla ki meh apna reply devan...let me ask you....how would your proposed solution to this water row work?

Show me the stats of who needs how much water and I'll figure a solution.

I have relatives and friends all over Punjab, No one I know depends on Sutlej.

rola tusin idhan paya hoya ke Haryane nu paani de ke sarra punjab thayaya marr jana.