full taur(Why such a long post?),
well the long post was just to make you understand simple points and just to make you aware of certain things.. but seems like you don't even wanna read those , forget about understanding it. Anyways I'm here with my another long post, as I'm sure that people who will read your post will take a time to read my post too and then at least they will have a better understanding..
I will never ever gave references from Gurbaani here, as I respect SGGS from core of my heart and I don't wanna write anything, as it is a disrespect to the holy baani....
I repeat :
Kabir writes in the Shri Guru-Granth :
kahu kabeer jan bheae khaalasae praem bhagath jih jaanee ||4||3||
Says Kabeer, those humble people become pure - they become Khalsa - who know the Lord's loving devotional worship. ||4||3||
But Guru Gobind Singh was born almost 171 years after Kabir's death. The context in which the anti-ritual Kabir uses the word "khalsa" has nothing to do with the highly ritualized Khalsa order created by Guru Gobind Singh. The only thing in common is the word "khalsa." However, the word by itself means little. The context is everything.
OK... The Guru Granth...
"kabeer preeti ik siau keey aan dubhidhaa jaai; bhaavey laambe kes karu bhaavey gharari mundaai"
(Kabir, when you are in love with the One God, duality and alienation depart. You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald.)
-- KABIR Source: Adi Granth, p. 1365
I raised a question and I'm still missing an answer to my question :
How can the Guru-Granth and the Khalsa be one when one is anti-ritual and the other all about rituals ??
Where is the Granth is a demand on the Sikh to enter into a social contract like the five kakars ??
Your argument that Guru Granth Sahib, Guru Khalsa Panth, Guru Gobind Singh, Guru Nanak are one is something I didn't find in the Gurbani.
well I tried to answer your questions but seems like you are not getting it and you even don't want to understand it.
what you mean by rituals & all.. Sikhism was meant to be without any rituals and superstitions and all. If you are saying having 5 kakaars or being a khalsa is ritual, then thats wrong. Its a way that you can e pure to god and its a way that you can be disciplined and you always remember to remember god, so thats why you are asked to do nitnem and stay away from Drugs and nasha & all.. So why is your mind stuck at 5 K's.. think about other things that come with being a khalsa..
There is a protocol of doing everything and likewise there is a protocol to being a sikh and the 5 Kakaars come under this protocol and why will it be written in SGGS.
what the employees have to wear or do in office, is this written in Company's annual policy or annual statement. All these things are implied and we see only about company in the company policy or annual statements..
Now think about this. what did Guru Nanak Dev Ji said that have true life, be true to yourself, speak truth and be pure and remember GOD and if im not wrong then this is what you do when you are a KHALSA.. so how is being KHALSA different from being SIKH or how is Guru Nanak Dev ji different from Guru Gobind Singh ji.
Obviously You wont find anything on this in SGGS, as SGGS was written well before Guru Gobind Singh ji and this has never been modified after it and this shows how complete it is.
But in SGGS you can find the word KHALSA as pointed by you and you can find all values what Guru Nanak Dev ji said and which is same as Guru Gobind Singh ji.
yes u r right, Kabeer ji said absolutely right, you can have log hair or anything to remember God and this is what SIKHISm always PREACH..t hat be true to your religion and to your god... Try & understand this point, instead of thinking that KABEER ji said that you can shorn hair. what he meant here was that U CAN remember god in any form and in any physical appearance and in any RELIGION...
Customs and traditions evolve over time I agree but what I am saying is how is an obligation to grow ones hair any different from an obligation to shave it. And don't you think that if there is one custom that should have been eradicated long ago is the parampara of carrying the Granth on ones head and instead reading it. A ritul is a ritual be it Vaishnavi, Shaiviite or Sikh or Jaini...
Another one of your self made things.... we carry Guru Granth sahib ji on our head to show respect and to keep our GURU above everyone else, just as a mark of respect. you said GRANTH( better make it GURU, mate), but its not a book or granth to us, its our GURU and like for every guru we give our GURU importance and thats why offer food to GURU, GURU goes to sleep every night and GURU wakes up every morning and we keep it that way to show respect & all..
Just imagine, if we had GURU as person, wont we be doing the same things to him.. So thats the whole point mate !!!! and its not a ritual...
Does Gurbani encourage these is what I ask. The Guru's were not God-send and were derivates of the environment tye were born in.
How can you be so sure that the Khalsa system you believe in is not manipulated where you reside ??
Khalsa panth has never been modified and will never be manipulated in any form as everyone agrees to it and probably thats why Sri Guru Granth Saahibji has never been changed and never will be...Do we have different definition of Khalsa in Gurdaspur, Chandigarh, Sydney or new york... everywhere its the same. Its just the people who changes or who think that they wanna follow this & this not. but otherwise everything is the same everywhere. So people like you, who just want to justify themselves, they do manipulate it but its only for your personal satisfaction and the world or the Khalsa doesn't change or manipulate
You talk of Guru Hukamnaama's! Lets talk of Dasam-Granth..Is the Dasam-Granth a part of the Guru-Granth ?? Answer = NO
How can Dasam granth be part of Guru Granth Sahib ji, Guru Granth Saahib ji was written well before Guru Gobind Singh ji and Dasam Granth was wriiten by Guru gobind SIngh ji.. and Guru Granth Sahibji is our Guru, not Dasam Granth.. Moroever there are many baanis like Jaap Saahib which is written after GURU Granth Saahib ji, but they are part of our everyday prayers. Moroever there was never a TRY or never a move to include these baanis in SGGS.
Is the Guru Hukamnaama's a part of the Granth ?? Answer = NO
Do you even know what is Guru's HUkamnama..A GUru Hukam nama is what we see everyday from SGGS ( Sri Guru Granth Saahib ji). Mate start going to Guruduwara sahib and then you will come to know that thats hukamnama and thats a means by which our Guru (SGGS) says something to us and we should obey it and by hukamnama Guru gives us directions on how to lead a truthful life...
Is the Rehat Maryada a part of the Granth // Answer = NO
Rehat maryada is a code of conduct, a protocol.. How can that be part of Granth.. Cmon man be logical and use your own thinking.SGGS is not a book about rules or anything, its a means by which you can reach true God and can discover God within yourself..
But Sikhism today doesn't evolve and thus doesn't attract the way it did upto the time of the Guru's.
That is upto the time the Guru Granth was not complete and perfect.
Than one day it was proclaimed to be PERFECT & COMPLETE.
hehehe.. hehe I can laugh at you and your thinking... Did anyone ever said Guru Granth Saahib ji was never complete.. It was always complete and thats why it has never been modified and thats why its the only religious Granth ji, which as been written by the Guru itself and never been modified. Now i know your dirty mind, you will say that why was it made guru after 10th Guru and why not earlier.. Well if you read the history you can answer this as well.. well do you think that Guru granth saahib ji would have been able to give the sacrifices that Guru Gobind Singh ji gave, would Guru Granth Sahib ji be able to fight so many wars... would Guru Granth saahib ji have saved so many people by clutches of rulers.. Probably NO. so thats why we have these gurus, who were constantly getting strength form Guru Granth Saahib ji & baani and were fighting against all odds...
This brings me to another question :
The day Guru Gobind Singh stopped the line of Guru’s, did he actually think the faith was complete ??
In a way didn’t Guru Gobind Singh inhibit and paralyze this faith to expand upon the gurbani ??
Another one of your shallow thinking and your bad views and this clearly shows, how much you know about Sikhism and how much you know the history &
all...Anyways let me tell you few things then:
What is GURU: According to Sikhism, GURU is the one who can take you closer to GOD.. GURU UH JO RAB NAAL MILAAVE.. and thats why for this reason we have
guru and we don't consider them GOD and we don't do PUJA or worship our gurus... they are not GOD....because of this..
what is GOD: GOD according to GURU is supreme being and GOD can be found inside any person. In fact according to gurbaani, there is GOD & devil inside
everyone's heart.. and its up to the person to think like a GOD or be a DEVIL.. so finding the GOD inside is the maimn thrust of Sikhism...
Now why SRi GURU Granth Saahib ji: Guru ji made Guru Granth Sahib ji our guru, because from SGGS we can get all the teachings and get everything that we need from our GURU... and SGGS, tries & connect us with GOD and we can get answers to all questions as its considered complete in each & every respect. so
that's why SGGS was made our GURU !!!
The fact, that it doesn't only contain baani of Sikh gurus is a great example of how liberal sikh religion is and how sikhism believes in universal brotherhood and respect for each & every religion...
The Non-Sikh and the Non-Keshdhari seem to have learnt more from Gurbani than the Keshdhari's in that no child today is denied admission in school for not wearing a janneu but a Sikh child is mandatorily required to be Keshdshari in a Sikh run school.
CRAP.. who said Hindus or for that matter anyone cant study in Sikh schools.. All my education in India is from Sikh school and there were people from all religions and even foreigners studying in our classes. Buddy get some air, if you dont know anything..
I repeat again, people can wear this janneu, thats why our Guruji gave the supreme sacrifice. and if people like you are saying something and are free, its because of our Guru ji only and for his sacrifice. YOU NEED A PROOF FOR THAT, THEN READ ANY HISTORY BOOK.
NOTE : Rest assured this criticism of mine I repeat is not to offend anybody. If one really is a Sikh he/she must retain his/her liberal mind and move forth this STATIC faith that has become detached from reality and its very owm base. Criticism is key in my argument and if you can’t cope with that please do not respond. We must challenge faith not only as an institution but also from a unique historical perspective. And when you post a response please provide references from the Gurbani to validate your claims. The validity of your claims is what you must prove, you shouldn’t leave it up to the reader to go and look up the validity of your claims!
STATIC FAITH.... hehehe... Sikhism is the worlds youngest religion and by far the most modern religion. If the teachings & values of sikhism can be adhered
too in this world & society everyones life will be so much easy:
1. Sikhism says say no to drugs, Smoking & drinks.. don't we want this and don't doctors & other health professionals say this?
2. In Sikhism,its very strongly said that have a family and have sex with only one partner.. IF this would have been followed there would have been no disease like AIDS? dont we want this in our society today?
3. Sikhism says, meditate and remember god and you will get peace, calm & satisfaction.. Everyone seems to agree with this and people more & more and doing all sort of stuff to do this world over?
4. Sikhism strongly advocates that GOD is one and all religions are equal and we mush all live with each other in harmony and respect each other religions. Don't we want this in our society today?
5. Sikhism strongly advocates the policy of being humble and friendly with everyone and work towards making world a better place to live.. Don't we want this in our society today?
I think if people start following the teaching & values of sikhism, the world would be free from all diseases and all problems like terrorism and all.. BUT
SOME NARROW MINDED PEOPLE SAY ITS STATIC FAITH... I think people like this cant even think outside the box and there thinking is like blackbox...
You said you have to be critic, yeah good be a critic but buddy get your facts right first.. Read some history, get some knowledge about sikhism and then you will find answers to most of your questions..be a student of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, instead of finding faults in it..
Man.. you are missing the first thing of being a SIKH.. a SIKH means a student.. so be a student first and try & understand it and then be a critic, instead of being just a critic without knowing proper details & proper history...