What if Every sikh starts wearing turban
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SinghKing
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Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
You do know that half of Sikhs that wear turbans in the UK drink, smoke and do drugs...
In and around the gurudwaras if not before n after.
ppl that wear turbans are no different than anyone else these days.
if u hang around druggies then ur bound to become a druggy, regarding race, colour or religion.
i see it first had all the time n know ppl that do it aswell.
You do know that half of Sikhs that wear turbans in the UK drink, smoke and do drugs...
In and around the gurudwaras if not before n after.
ppl that wear turbans are no different than anyone else these days.
if u hang around druggies then ur bound to become a druggy, regarding race, colour or religion.
i see it first had all the time n know ppl that do it aswell.
full_taur
Member
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
This doesnt mean much. Turban is not a thing which restricts you from doing things like that, its your own will and its your own mind that stops you or makes you do such things.
On the contrary, there are many turban wearing people or rather I will say Amritdhari sikhs which do about million dollar annual of social & charitable work. I know a plenty in Sydney and they do it without even telling it or without being in news or anything.
Its upto us what we want to see, if we are on a road and a Lamborghini passes by, we see lambo and our eyes go on lambo whereas if a cyclist passes by, we hardly notices. So now its upto us what we think & interpret..
This doesnt mean much. Turban is not a thing which restricts you from doing things like that, its your own will and its your own mind that stops you or makes you do such things.
On the contrary, there are many turban wearing people or rather I will say Amritdhari sikhs which do about million dollar annual of social & charitable work. I know a plenty in Sydney and they do it without even telling it or without being in news or anything.
Its upto us what we want to see, if we are on a road and a Lamborghini passes by, we see lambo and our eyes go on lambo whereas if a cyclist passes by, we hardly notices. So now its upto us what we think & interpret..
pps309
Prime VIP
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
Ramta Bhai Sahab,
I am not that knowledgeable as you can be.
I want to know whether kabeer ji ever cut his hair? I mean me and my friends have not seen any pic of Kabeer Ji with hair cut, also I believe (by looking at Kabeer Ji's pics), that he was a Keshdhari.
Here are few pics to support my point that Kabeer Ji was keshdhari person.
Ramta Bhai Sahab,
I am not that knowledgeable as you can be.
I want to know whether kabeer ji ever cut his hair? I mean me and my friends have not seen any pic of Kabeer Ji with hair cut, also I believe (by looking at Kabeer Ji's pics), that he was a Keshdhari.
Here are few pics to support my point that Kabeer Ji was keshdhari person.
pps309
Prime VIP
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
a couple more pics of Kabir Ji.
Kabir Ji aap bohat bade sant haan. Ohna nu sadde Guruan ne bohat maan ditta, taa main kaun huna ohna di baani te kintu parantu karan wala.
Jidda main pella kaya si ke jisde jinni soch samjh oh utni hi gal karega.
Mainu ta enna pata ke Dasam Pitah Guru Gobind Singh Ji da hukam si ke Singh sajo, kesh daare rakho te Khande baate da amrit shako. Te ek gal hor mainu shartiya pata ke sadde Guruan ne kade v Gurbani nu contradict nahi kita.
a couple more pics of Kabir Ji.
Kabir Ji aap bohat bade sant haan. Ohna nu sadde Guruan ne bohat maan ditta, taa main kaun huna ohna di baani te kintu parantu karan wala.
Jidda main pella kaya si ke jisde jinni soch samjh oh utni hi gal karega.
Mainu ta enna pata ke Dasam Pitah Guru Gobind Singh Ji da hukam si ke Singh sajo, kesh daare rakho te Khande baate da amrit shako. Te ek gal hor mainu shartiya pata ke sadde Guruan ne kade v Gurbani nu contradict nahi kita.
full_taur
Member
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
Here is the complete Bhagat Kabir ji shabad's meaning. Try & follow what he is trying to say.
Kabeer, my rosary is my tongue, upon which the Lord's Name is strung.
From the very beginning, and throughout the ages, all the devotees abide in tranquil peace. ||1|
Kabeer, everyone laughs at my social class.
I am a sacrifice to this social class, in which I chant and meditate on the Creator. ||2||
Kabeer, why do you stumble? Why does your soul waver?
He is the Lord of all comforts and peace; drink in the Sublime Essence of the Lord's Name.
Kabeer, earrings made of gold and studded with jewels,
look like burnt twigs, if the Name is not in the mind. ||4||
Kabeer, rare is such a person, who remains dead while yet alive.
Singing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, he is fearless. Wherever I look, the Lord is there. ||5
Kabeer, on the day when I die, afterwards there shall be bliss.
I shall meet with my Lord God. Those with me shall meditate and vibrate on the Lord of the Universe.
Kabeer, I am the worst of all. Everyone else is good.
Whoever understands this is a friend of mine
Kabeer, she came to me in various forms and disguises.
My Guru saved me, and now she bows humbly to me. ||8||
Kabeer, kill only that, which, when killed, shall bring peace.
Everyone shall call you good, very good, and no one shall think you are bad. ||9||
Kabeer, the night is dark, and men go about doing their dark deeds.
They take the noose and run around; but rest assured that God shall destroy them
Kabeer, the sandalwood tree is good, even though it is surrounded by weeds.
Those who dwell near the sandalwood tree, become just like the sandalwood tree.
Kabeer, the bamboo is drowned in its egotistical pride. No one should drown like this.
Bamboo also dwells near the sandalwood tree, but it does not take up its fragrance.
Kabeer, the mortal loses his faith, for the sake of the world, but the world shall not go along with him in the end.
The idiot strikes his own foot with the axe by his own hand.
Kabeer, wherever I go, I see wonders everywhere.
But without the devotees of the One Lord, it is all wilderness to me.
Kabeer, the dwelling of the Saints is good; the dwelling of the unrighteous burns like an oven.
Those mansions in which the Lord's Name is not chanted might just as well burn down.
Kabeer, why cry at the death of a Saint? He is just going back to his home.
Cry for the wretched, faithless cynic, who is sold from store to store.
Kabeer, the faithless cynic is like a piece of garlic
Even if you eat it sitting in a corner, it becomes obvious to everyone.
Kabeer, Maya is the butter-churn, and the breath is the churning-stick.
The Saints eat the butter, while the world drinks the whey.
Kabeer, Maya is the butter-churn; the breath flows like ice water.
Whoever does the churning eats the butter; the others are just churning-sticks.
Kabeer, Maya is the thief, which breaks in and plunders the store.
Only Kabeer is not plundered; he has cut her into twelve pieces.
Kabeer, peace does not come in this world by making lots of friends.
Those who keep their consciousness focused on the One Lord shall find eternal peace.
Kabeer, the world is afraid of death - that death fills my mind with bliss.
It is only by death that perfect, supreme bliss is obtained.
The Treasure of the Lord is obtained, O Kabeer, but do not undo its knot.
There is no market to sell it, no appraiser, no customer, and no price.
Kabeer, be in love with only that one, whose Master is the Lord.
The Pandits, the religious scholars, kings and landlords - what good is love for them?
Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.
You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald.
Kabeer, the world is a room filled with black soot; the blind fall into its trap.
I am a sacrifice to those who are thrown in, and still escape.
Kabeer, this body shall perish; save it, if you can.
Even those who have tens of thousands and millions, must depart bare-footed in the end.
Kabeer, this body shall perish; place it on the path
Either join the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, or sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord
Kabeer, dying, dying, the whole world has to die, and yet, none know how to die.
Let those who die, die such a death, that they shall never have to die again.
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Kabeer, even the dog of a devotee is good, while the mother of the faithless cynic is bad
The dog hears the Praises of the Lord's Name, while the other is engaged in sin.
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.
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.
Kabeer, tumeric has lost its yellow color, and no trace of lime's whiteness remains.
I am a sacrifice to this love, by which social class and status, color and ancestry are taken away.
.
.
.
.
Kabeer, if I meet such a True Guru, who mercifully blesses me with the gift,
then the door of liberation will open wide for me, and I will easily pass through.
.
.
.
Kabeer, the pitcher is full of water; it will break, today or tomorrow.
Those who do not remember their Guru, shall be plundered on the way.
Kabeer, I am the Lord's dog; Moti is my name.
There is a chain around my neck; wherever I am pulled, I go
Read the examples of Sandalwood and bamboo that Bhagat ji has given, so this is for the ones who say that people with turbans do this and do that, so Bhagat ji has even mentioned that and given a analogy.
Yes its true, if a person is chanting lord's name and is closer to God then it doesn't matter whether he is wearing turban or bald headed. Probably that is why there is baani of so many bhagats and saints in Guru Granth Saahib ji and also that is why Sikh guru's and sikh Guruduwara's always welcomes true devotees of lords. Examples are a plenty....
Look at the way Kabeer ji calls himself DOG.. Now that's what is called Bhagti and that's what is called BEING HUMBLE...
Another thing worth mentioning here is that even Bhagat Kabeer ji is talking about Guru and true guru. A guru who is devoted and who leads you closer to God. Now Which Guru is he talking about ?
Here is the complete Bhagat Kabir ji shabad's meaning. Try & follow what he is trying to say.
Kabeer, my rosary is my tongue, upon which the Lord's Name is strung.
From the very beginning, and throughout the ages, all the devotees abide in tranquil peace. ||1|
Kabeer, everyone laughs at my social class.
I am a sacrifice to this social class, in which I chant and meditate on the Creator. ||2||
Kabeer, why do you stumble? Why does your soul waver?
He is the Lord of all comforts and peace; drink in the Sublime Essence of the Lord's Name.
Kabeer, earrings made of gold and studded with jewels,
look like burnt twigs, if the Name is not in the mind. ||4||
Kabeer, rare is such a person, who remains dead while yet alive.
Singing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, he is fearless. Wherever I look, the Lord is there. ||5
Kabeer, on the day when I die, afterwards there shall be bliss.
I shall meet with my Lord God. Those with me shall meditate and vibrate on the Lord of the Universe.
Kabeer, I am the worst of all. Everyone else is good.
Whoever understands this is a friend of mine
Kabeer, she came to me in various forms and disguises.
My Guru saved me, and now she bows humbly to me. ||8||
Kabeer, kill only that, which, when killed, shall bring peace.
Everyone shall call you good, very good, and no one shall think you are bad. ||9||
Kabeer, the night is dark, and men go about doing their dark deeds.
They take the noose and run around; but rest assured that God shall destroy them
Kabeer, the sandalwood tree is good, even though it is surrounded by weeds.
Those who dwell near the sandalwood tree, become just like the sandalwood tree.
Kabeer, the bamboo is drowned in its egotistical pride. No one should drown like this.
Bamboo also dwells near the sandalwood tree, but it does not take up its fragrance.
Kabeer, the mortal loses his faith, for the sake of the world, but the world shall not go along with him in the end.
The idiot strikes his own foot with the axe by his own hand.
Kabeer, wherever I go, I see wonders everywhere.
But without the devotees of the One Lord, it is all wilderness to me.
Kabeer, the dwelling of the Saints is good; the dwelling of the unrighteous burns like an oven.
Those mansions in which the Lord's Name is not chanted might just as well burn down.
Kabeer, why cry at the death of a Saint? He is just going back to his home.
Cry for the wretched, faithless cynic, who is sold from store to store.
Kabeer, the faithless cynic is like a piece of garlic
Even if you eat it sitting in a corner, it becomes obvious to everyone.
Kabeer, Maya is the butter-churn, and the breath is the churning-stick.
The Saints eat the butter, while the world drinks the whey.
Kabeer, Maya is the butter-churn; the breath flows like ice water.
Whoever does the churning eats the butter; the others are just churning-sticks.
Kabeer, Maya is the thief, which breaks in and plunders the store.
Only Kabeer is not plundered; he has cut her into twelve pieces.
Kabeer, peace does not come in this world by making lots of friends.
Those who keep their consciousness focused on the One Lord shall find eternal peace.
Kabeer, the world is afraid of death - that death fills my mind with bliss.
It is only by death that perfect, supreme bliss is obtained.
The Treasure of the Lord is obtained, O Kabeer, but do not undo its knot.
There is no market to sell it, no appraiser, no customer, and no price.
Kabeer, be in love with only that one, whose Master is the Lord.
The Pandits, the religious scholars, kings and landlords - what good is love for them?
Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.
You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald.
Kabeer, the world is a room filled with black soot; the blind fall into its trap.
I am a sacrifice to those who are thrown in, and still escape.
Kabeer, this body shall perish; save it, if you can.
Even those who have tens of thousands and millions, must depart bare-footed in the end.
Kabeer, this body shall perish; place it on the path
Either join the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, or sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord
Kabeer, dying, dying, the whole world has to die, and yet, none know how to die.
Let those who die, die such a death, that they shall never have to die again.
….
Kabeer, even the dog of a devotee is good, while the mother of the faithless cynic is bad
The dog hears the Praises of the Lord's Name, while the other is engaged in sin.
.
.
.
.
Kabeer, tumeric has lost its yellow color, and no trace of lime's whiteness remains.
I am a sacrifice to this love, by which social class and status, color and ancestry are taken away.
.
.
.
.
Kabeer, if I meet such a True Guru, who mercifully blesses me with the gift,
then the door of liberation will open wide for me, and I will easily pass through.
.
.
.
Kabeer, the pitcher is full of water; it will break, today or tomorrow.
Those who do not remember their Guru, shall be plundered on the way.
Kabeer, I am the Lord's dog; Moti is my name.
There is a chain around my neck; wherever I am pulled, I go
Read the examples of Sandalwood and bamboo that Bhagat ji has given, so this is for the ones who say that people with turbans do this and do that, so Bhagat ji has even mentioned that and given a analogy.
Yes its true, if a person is chanting lord's name and is closer to God then it doesn't matter whether he is wearing turban or bald headed. Probably that is why there is baani of so many bhagats and saints in Guru Granth Saahib ji and also that is why Sikh guru's and sikh Guruduwara's always welcomes true devotees of lords. Examples are a plenty....
Look at the way Kabeer ji calls himself DOG.. Now that's what is called Bhagti and that's what is called BEING HUMBLE...
Another thing worth mentioning here is that even Bhagat Kabeer ji is talking about Guru and true guru. A guru who is devoted and who leads you closer to God. Now Which Guru is he talking about ?
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
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full taur,
The last twelve lines of the first set of shloka you provided,
you have done some editing, havent you ??
You disconnect the second line of the verse and join it with the next
thereby leaving the last line alone.....you rearranged the verses.
This is how it should be....
Kabeer, be in love with only that one, whose Master is the Lord.
The Pandits, the religious scholars, kings and landlords - what good is love for them?
Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.
You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald.
Kabeer, the world is a room filled with black soot; the blind fall into its trap.
I am a sacrifice to those who are thrown in, and still escape.
Kabeer, this body shall perish; save it, if you can.
Even those who have tens of thousands and millions, must depart bare-footed in the end.
Kabeer, this body shall perish; place it on the path
Either join the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, or sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord
Kabeer, dying, dying, the whole world has to die, and yet, none know how to die.
Let those who die, die such a death, that they shall never have to die again.
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By and by, one more picture of Kabir...
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Thanks
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full taur,
The last twelve lines of the first set of shloka you provided,
you have done some editing, havent you ??
You disconnect the second line of the verse and join it with the next
thereby leaving the last line alone.....you rearranged the verses.
This is how it should be....
Kabeer, be in love with only that one, whose Master is the Lord.
The Pandits, the religious scholars, kings and landlords - what good is love for them?
Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.
You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald.
Kabeer, the world is a room filled with black soot; the blind fall into its trap.
I am a sacrifice to those who are thrown in, and still escape.
Kabeer, this body shall perish; save it, if you can.
Even those who have tens of thousands and millions, must depart bare-footed in the end.
Kabeer, this body shall perish; place it on the path
Either join the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, or sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord
Kabeer, dying, dying, the whole world has to die, and yet, none know how to die.
Let those who die, die such a death, that they shall never have to die again.
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By and by, one more picture of Kabir...
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Thanks
bones2098
Member
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
What??? you need ppl to wear a pug to realise they are apna???
dude you got issues!
give it up and start listening to vinilla ice.. lol
99.9% of ppl who wear pugs & carry a kirpan don't really know the true meaning and use of it is!
to answer your question, nothing will happen, no one will give a sh!*, when the gurus were being torchered, when ppl were pouring molten lead in our ear for attempting to listen for some knowledge, chopping our tounges out for speaking the truth - it didn't change a thing!
what will a mere few meters of fabric do? it will never change the thought patterns of anyone, so long as there gain in doing the wrong thing!
sorry the question just got on my t|ts, no offense to the starter!
What??? you need ppl to wear a pug to realise they are apna???
dude you got issues!
give it up and start listening to vinilla ice.. lol
99.9% of ppl who wear pugs & carry a kirpan don't really know the true meaning and use of it is!
to answer your question, nothing will happen, no one will give a sh!*, when the gurus were being torchered, when ppl were pouring molten lead in our ear for attempting to listen for some knowledge, chopping our tounges out for speaking the truth - it didn't change a thing!
what will a mere few meters of fabric do? it will never change the thought patterns of anyone, so long as there gain in doing the wrong thing!
sorry the question just got on my t|ts, no offense to the starter!
SinghKing
Member
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
thats my point, ppl DONT want to be different from other ppl.
thats my point, ppl DONT want to be different from other ppl.
full_taur
Member
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
Bulle Shah ji,
Guru di baani hai, Why would I do any sort of editing in this one. Check it in any source you have or any searcher program, Its the same baani and with same meanings that i mentioned here.
Anyways there is nothing to argue in this. Sandalwood and Bamboo example is as good as it can get and its from guru di baani so.....
I just didn't put few lines and replaced them with dots as it would have become too long. Well let me know if you want it all.
Kabeer, the faithless cynic is like a piece of garlic
Even if you eat it sitting in a corner, it becomes obvious to everyone.
Just to let everyone know one more important thing here is that Bhagat Kabir ji and Bhagat Namdev ji exisetd even before Guru Nanak Dev ji and thery were so devoted to God, that there baani is in Sri Guru Granth Saahib ji. Another reason why Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is not only for sikhs, rather its for whole humanity.
Bulle Shah ji,
Guru di baani hai, Why would I do any sort of editing in this one. Check it in any source you have or any searcher program, Its the same baani and with same meanings that i mentioned here.
Anyways there is nothing to argue in this. Sandalwood and Bamboo example is as good as it can get and its from guru di baani so.....
I just didn't put few lines and replaced them with dots as it would have become too long. Well let me know if you want it all.
Kabeer, the faithless cynic is like a piece of garlic
Even if you eat it sitting in a corner, it becomes obvious to everyone.
Just to let everyone know one more important thing here is that Bhagat Kabir ji and Bhagat Namdev ji exisetd even before Guru Nanak Dev ji and thery were so devoted to God, that there baani is in Sri Guru Granth Saahib ji. Another reason why Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is not only for sikhs, rather its for whole humanity.
userid50966
Well-known member
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
kabeer man mooNdi-aa nahee kays mundaa-ay kaaN-ay.
Whatever is done, is done by the mind; it is useless to shave your head. ||101||
what u say to this ramta ji
(1369-16, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
kabeer man mooNdi-aa nahee kays mundaa-ay kaaN-ay.
Kabeer, you have not shaved your mind, so why do you shave your head?
(1369-16, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
jo kichh kee-aa so man kee-aa mooNdaa moond ajaaN-ay. ||101||
(1369-16, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
jo kichh kee-aa so man kee-aa mooNdaa moond ajaaN-ay. ||101||
Whatever is done, is done by the mind; it is useless to shave your head. ||101||
what u say to this ramta ji
pps309
Prime VIP
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
aa ta foto hi India govt di aa, ess te ta main waise hi na yakeen kara. Anything by Govt of India is not trustworthy........hahah
I mean kal nu koi Bhagat Singh di Indian govt aali foto laya ke keh du ke oh Hindu si, which is not at all true coz he was either a Sikh or a Comrade (socialist) or both but not an hindu for sure....
BTW, not going offtopic, stopping here.
Enjoy your life, cheers
aa ta foto hi India govt di aa, ess te ta main waise hi na yakeen kara. Anything by Govt of India is not trustworthy........hahah
I mean kal nu koi Bhagat Singh di Indian govt aali foto laya ke keh du ke oh Hindu si, which is not at all true coz he was either a Sikh or a Comrade (socialist) or both but not an hindu for sure....
BTW, not going offtopic, stopping here.
Enjoy your life, cheers
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
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In a radical movement of sorts that is sweeping the entire expanse of Punjab,
Sikh youths are taken in by a fad of shearing tresses and shedding turbans.
Ironically, the fad among youth to shed the pagri is peculiar mostly to
Punjab. It is not so much in other states like MP, UP and, hearteningly,
even in Kashmir. It is more in Punjab,.
Globalisation is bringing about something of a shake-out. It offers people
new identities, yet they may aggressively reassert their old identities in
reaction to this. According to reports, Sikh youth are shedding the turban
and shaving off their locks in Punjab, but not so much in other states.
The paradox is, should there be an explicit ban on the turban, as there is in
France, religious identity is endangered and sporting one becomes a sign of
protest. But wherever choice exists cross-fertilisation will happen and global
fashions are likely to hold sway. Sikh youth are shaving their heads and
tattooing them, following avant-garde punk style. Conversely, Hindus are
taking to the turban in Punjab, while non-Sikh cadets posted to Sikh
regiments grow beards and long hair.
Something similar is afoot with respect to the veil. Some Muslim women
have taken to the veil as a sign of Islamic identity. There's nothing wrong
with this, but Shabana Azmi too is right when she says it can't be compulsory.
When Syed Bukhari describes her as a "nachne gane wali aurat" not authorised
to make such statements, it's an ad hominem attack that betrays Bukhari's
own casteist mentality. According to this outlook certain human beings are
destined to do certain things and shouldn't overstep their limits, while only
clerics can interpret religion.
As a matter of fact quite a few Muslim clerics, most notably Kalbe Sadiq,
senior vice-chairman of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, have
defended Azmi's statements. According to reformers, nowhere does the
Qur'an enjoin the veil on Muslim women, and Sadiq has declared Islam
to be against "Talibani purdah". This is the beginning of a healthy debate
and Islam, which lacks a Pope or a centralised hierarchy, offers plenty of
room for it. It's in sync with the casteist mentality to say that certain types
of people can only wear certain kinds of garb, but identity can't be made
into a straitjacket.
Today people are choosing, much like everything else in their lives, their
religious identities. Madonna and rap singers have worn the cross as a
fashion accessory rather than to show a devout state of mind.
The one-size-fits-all religion that most clergy practised is no longer in sync
with a world where even basic necessities like a toaster can be personalised.
One can adopt a personal guru much as one chooses a trainer. And faith is
not necessarily indicated by outward signs.
The Sikh without a turban may prefer a more contemporary facade and yet
be a faithful follower of the tenets of Sikhism
Thanks
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In a radical movement of sorts that is sweeping the entire expanse of Punjab,
Sikh youths are taken in by a fad of shearing tresses and shedding turbans.
Ironically, the fad among youth to shed the pagri is peculiar mostly to
Punjab. It is not so much in other states like MP, UP and, hearteningly,
even in Kashmir. It is more in Punjab,.
Globalisation is bringing about something of a shake-out. It offers people
new identities, yet they may aggressively reassert their old identities in
reaction to this. According to reports, Sikh youth are shedding the turban
and shaving off their locks in Punjab, but not so much in other states.
The paradox is, should there be an explicit ban on the turban, as there is in
France, religious identity is endangered and sporting one becomes a sign of
protest. But wherever choice exists cross-fertilisation will happen and global
fashions are likely to hold sway. Sikh youth are shaving their heads and
tattooing them, following avant-garde punk style. Conversely, Hindus are
taking to the turban in Punjab, while non-Sikh cadets posted to Sikh
regiments grow beards and long hair.
Something similar is afoot with respect to the veil. Some Muslim women
have taken to the veil as a sign of Islamic identity. There's nothing wrong
with this, but Shabana Azmi too is right when she says it can't be compulsory.
When Syed Bukhari describes her as a "nachne gane wali aurat" not authorised
to make such statements, it's an ad hominem attack that betrays Bukhari's
own casteist mentality. According to this outlook certain human beings are
destined to do certain things and shouldn't overstep their limits, while only
clerics can interpret religion.
As a matter of fact quite a few Muslim clerics, most notably Kalbe Sadiq,
senior vice-chairman of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, have
defended Azmi's statements. According to reformers, nowhere does the
Qur'an enjoin the veil on Muslim women, and Sadiq has declared Islam
to be against "Talibani purdah". This is the beginning of a healthy debate
and Islam, which lacks a Pope or a centralised hierarchy, offers plenty of
room for it. It's in sync with the casteist mentality to say that certain types
of people can only wear certain kinds of garb, but identity can't be made
into a straitjacket.
Today people are choosing, much like everything else in their lives, their
religious identities. Madonna and rap singers have worn the cross as a
fashion accessory rather than to show a devout state of mind.
The one-size-fits-all religion that most clergy practised is no longer in sync
with a world where even basic necessities like a toaster can be personalised.
One can adopt a personal guru much as one chooses a trainer. And faith is
not necessarily indicated by outward signs.
The Sikh without a turban may prefer a more contemporary facade and yet
be a faithful follower of the tenets of Sikhism
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Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
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Ask Kabeer. It was him I quoted when I wrote
"bhaavey laambe kes karu bhaavey gharari mundaai"
"bhaavey laambe kes karu" means it is useless to grow ones hair....
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Ask Kabeer. It was him I quoted when I wrote
"bhaavey laambe kes karu bhaavey gharari mundaai"
"bhaavey laambe kes karu" means it is useless to grow ones hair....
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prinzdude
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Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
Now i understand why GuruGobind Singh ji said,
"Rehit pyari mujh Ko, Sikh pyara nahi"
As "a Sikh may go on a wrong path", But a Sikh with Rehit can't go wrong..
Please note, i have quoted Sikh with rehit in Bold and also italicized it!
I hope you understand what i wanted to say..
Now i understand why GuruGobind Singh ji said,
"Rehit pyari mujh Ko, Sikh pyara nahi"
As "a Sikh may go on a wrong path", But a Sikh with Rehit can't go wrong..
Please note, i have quoted Sikh with rehit in Bold and also italicized it!
I hope you understand what i wanted to say..
full_taur
Member
Re: What if Every sikh starts wearing tu
Wow good one mate... You took one line from Kabeer ji di baani and you tweaked it to prove your point & all.
Now to this line, you are saying ask KABEER JI. Great..
That's why they termed the phrase.. DOUBLE STANDARDS...
Anyways let me clear that in both of these Shabads, Kabeer ji is just saying that be close to God, naam simran karo, baani pado ...
Wow good one mate... You took one line from Kabeer ji di baani and you tweaked it to prove your point & all.
Now to this line, you are saying ask KABEER JI. Great..
That's why they termed the phrase.. DOUBLE STANDARDS...
Anyways let me clear that in both of these Shabads, Kabeer ji is just saying that be close to God, naam simran karo, baani pado ...
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