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i ve posted this to you thousand of time ....but yet again
ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥
Kabīr rām kahan mėh bẖeḏ hai ṯā mėh ek bicẖār.
Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.
ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥
So▫ī rām sabẖai kahėh so▫ī ka▫uṯakhār. ||190||
Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190||
ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥
Kabīr rāmai rām kaho kahibe māhi bibek.
Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.
ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥
Ėk anekėh mil ga▫i▫ā ek samānā ek. ||191||
One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191||
ADI GRANTH .....
ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥
Kabīr rām kahan mėh bẖeḏ hai ṯā mėh ek bicẖār.
Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.
ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥
So▫ī rām sabẖai kahėh so▫ī ka▫uṯakhār. ||190||
Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190||
ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥
Kabīr rāmai rām kaho kahibe māhi bibek.
Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.
ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥
Ėk anekėh mil ga▫i▫ā ek samānā ek. ||191||
One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191||
ADI GRANTH .....
Just a quick search and found these in SGGS.
ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੪॥੪॥
My Sovereign Lord King is Raam Chandra,the Son of the King Dasrat'h; prays Naam Dayv,I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||4||4||
p.973
ਰਾਮ ਜਪਉ ਜੀਅ ਐਸੇ ਐਸੇ ॥
Just as Dhroo and Prahlaad meditated on the Lord,
Kabir p. 337
druv and prahlad worshiped Vishnu.
ਦੇਵਾ ਪਾਹਨ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
ਰਾਮ ਕਹਤ ਜਨ ਕਸ ਨ ਤਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਤਾਰੀਲੇ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਬਿਨੁ ਰੂਪ ਕੁਬਿਜਾ ਬਿਆਧਿ ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
God makes even stones float.
So why shouldn't Your humble slave also float across, chanting Your Name, O Lord? ||1||Pause||
You saved the prostitute, and the ugly hunch-back; You helped the hunter and Ajaamal swim across as well.
p. 345
ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੪॥੪॥
My Sovereign Lord King is Raam Chandra,the Son of the King Dasrat'h; prays Naam Dayv,I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||4||4||
p.973
ਰਾਮ ਜਪਉ ਜੀਅ ਐਸੇ ਐਸੇ ॥
Just as Dhroo and Prahlaad meditated on the Lord,
Kabir p. 337
druv and prahlad worshiped Vishnu.
ਦੇਵਾ ਪਾਹਨ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
ਰਾਮ ਕਹਤ ਜਨ ਕਸ ਨ ਤਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਤਾਰੀਲੇ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਬਿਨੁ ਰੂਪ ਕੁਬਿਜਾ ਬਿਆਧਿ ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
God makes even stones float.
So why shouldn't Your humble slave also float across, chanting Your Name, O Lord? ||1||Pause||
You saved the prostitute, and the ugly hunch-back; You helped the hunter and Ajaamal swim across as well.
p. 345
bapu da laadla
VIP
vedas belive in the existence of Ram ji,vishnu or Krishna etc..but SGGS does not believe in their existence,,Guru ji has referred to mythological stories allegorically, metaphorically, and symbolically to explain gurbani philosophy.
yaar punjabi has already given the answer of this
Where, Sikhs only worship Akal Purakh - That I get.
Don't believe in existence ? eh tusi apne kolo banayi janne.
bapu da laadla
VIP
^^^ yes no doubt that sikh worship only akal purakh...
why u are confusing people with ram and ram chandar???
why u are confusing people with ram and ram chandar???
bapu da laadla
VIP
judgement can not be made by reading only one line from the granth of 1430 pages. let them read the whole with their own thinking. now they are just blank pages any one can print on their minds whatever they want.
bapu da laadla
VIP
^^^ you are wrong here bhaji..... gurbani do believe in those avtaari purash... but doesn't accept them as gods.
Yaar Punjabi
Prime VIP
main kise de Sentiments Hurt ni karna chaunda,,i am just telling truth what Gurbani tell us about Hindu Gods..Hindusim and Sikhism are two diffrent religions.And there is big difference between beliefs and Faith...I respect Hinduism and other Faiths too,
but i cannot ignore what Gurbani says about hindu GOds,,
Whenever, Guru Nanak used the mythological work
or ancient philosophy in his Bani, he never meant
that he believes in that philosophy.Prove Me Wrong If I am,Main Koi Gursikh Ja vidwaan taah haini main Galat ho sakda,,so make me right if i am wrong with facts..
We have lots of books Published by RSS ,,in these boook thers is wrong interpretation of Gurbani and these things just do Hinduization of Sikh Faith & History..Gurbani does nt belive in hindu lords,,But Gurbani Respect Vedas and other Spiritual books ,,below there are Shabads are from Gurbani
naanak nirabho nira(n)kaar hor kaethae raam ravaal ||
O Nanak, the Lord is fearless and formless; myriads of others, like Rama, are mere dust before Him. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 464)
Someone calls him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only the One Creator. ||12|| (33 Sawayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)
If we consider King Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take birth from the womb of Kaushalya ? He, who is said to be the KAL (destroyer) of KAL (death), then why did none become subjugated himself before KAL? (33 Sawayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)
The Gods and goddesses are worshipped, O brother!
What ought we beg and what can they give?
The stone bathed in water, O brother, Sinks down in it.
(Guru I, Sorath Rag)
ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥੩॥
ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥
"Let that mouth be burnt, which says that our Lord and Master is subject to birth. ||3|| He is not born, and He does not die; He does not come and go in reincarnation. The God of Nanak is pervading and permeating everywhere. ||4||1||"
Those who serve Shiva and Brahma do not find the limits of the Lord. Guru Amar Daas Ji. Raag Gujri p51
interpretations of Gurbani under the influence of Vedantic philosophy, just Change the meaning of whole Gurbani Concept..Please Forgive me it hurts Someone
but i cannot ignore what Gurbani says about hindu GOds,,
Whenever, Guru Nanak used the mythological work
or ancient philosophy in his Bani, he never meant
that he believes in that philosophy.Prove Me Wrong If I am,Main Koi Gursikh Ja vidwaan taah haini main Galat ho sakda,,so make me right if i am wrong with facts..
We have lots of books Published by RSS ,,in these boook thers is wrong interpretation of Gurbani and these things just do Hinduization of Sikh Faith & History..Gurbani does nt belive in hindu lords,,But Gurbani Respect Vedas and other Spiritual books ,,below there are Shabads are from Gurbani
naanak nirabho nira(n)kaar hor kaethae raam ravaal ||
O Nanak, the Lord is fearless and formless; myriads of others, like Rama, are mere dust before Him. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 464)
Someone calls him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only the One Creator. ||12|| (33 Sawayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)
If we consider King Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take birth from the womb of Kaushalya ? He, who is said to be the KAL (destroyer) of KAL (death), then why did none become subjugated himself before KAL? (33 Sawayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)
The Gods and goddesses are worshipped, O brother!
What ought we beg and what can they give?
The stone bathed in water, O brother, Sinks down in it.
(Guru I, Sorath Rag)
ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥੩॥
ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥
"Let that mouth be burnt, which says that our Lord and Master is subject to birth. ||3|| He is not born, and He does not die; He does not come and go in reincarnation. The God of Nanak is pervading and permeating everywhere. ||4||1||"
Those who serve Shiva and Brahma do not find the limits of the Lord. Guru Amar Daas Ji. Raag Gujri p51
interpretations of Gurbani under the influence of Vedantic philosophy, just Change the meaning of whole Gurbani Concept..Please Forgive me it hurts Someone
pps309
Prime VIP
lol...........gods te GOD ch farak ho gaya.....gods small letter ch likhya so edda matlab shotte shotte kinne hi god ho sakde.....vada CAPITAL letter aala iko GOD aa...................hahaha...............
small letters ch likhan naal gods te GOD ch farak ho ju............gods is still the plural word of GOD. Gurbani decline more then one GOD. there is no gods in gurbani...only one God.
Gurbani believe in one & only one GOD. Gurbani ta shuru hi 1 to hundi aa...........
Due to this oneness of God, and existence of only one God it spreads the message of universal brotherhood (not only among humans, but throughout 84 lakh joonis).
better word would be demi-gods or deities
no where Gurbani says Ram never existed or Vishnu doesn't exist.
tomarnidhi
Well-known member
How can u confuse "avatar" & God .. the point is that in our religion Avatars are revered for the simple reason that they came into being to impart knowledge & further the God's message
P.S. Doesnt make them any less holier.
No one here I think is contradicting that there is One God , every religion preaches about 1 but there are messengers(like in Christianity & Islam) & avatars (Hinduism) that exist as well..
P.S. Doesnt make them any less holier.
No one here I think is contradicting that there is One God , every religion preaches about 1 but there are messengers(like in Christianity & Islam) & avatars (Hinduism) that exist as well..
