Sikhs and Topi

[pps309]

Wrong,sikh sehaj dhari bhi ho sakde,Amrit Dhari bhi.
Sirf pehrawe karke koi sikh asli te nalki nahi ho sakda.
Asli sikh oh jo apne Guru de dasse rah te challe.

Guru de dasse raah ch pehrawa bhi ta aaunda hi hona....

 

[Dhillon]

Guru de dasse raah ch pehrawa bhi ta aaunda hi hona....

hanji,par sirf pehrawe karke kise nu Asli ja Nakli sikh nahi keha ja sakda.

 

[Dhillon]

6) Baki ji hun appa 1 to 9 tak Guru ji nu vich gharisna theek nahi samjhde....par jitthe tak mainu lagda sadde sarre Guruan ne kesh, rakhe si. Kisse ne topi nahi pai honi.

refer post #59

 

[pps309]

hanji,par sirf pehrawe karke kise nu Asli ja Nakli sikh nahi keha ja sakda.

yes...sirf pehrawe karke kisse nu asli ya nakli nahi kaya ja sakda....Pehrava + other things will make a complete sikh.
Is this right?

I am not talking about asli or nakli sikh...It is either a Sikh or not.

 

[pps309]

refer post #59

hanji I went through post # 59.
Read it first time....one of the many things which happen first time so accepting it...I believe if you have posted it, surely have done your homework right.

Main ta Pehle Patsahi di kade topi wali pic dekhi nahi....

Khalsa Panth di sthapna Guru Gobind Singh ji ne kitti si.....so can we say ki Sikh religion, the name itself came into existence at that time?

Also hun topi da koi tuk nahi oh ta sadde Gurua ne shad ti... rite?

 

[Dhillon]

yes...sirf pehrawe karke kisse nu asli ya nakli nahi kaya ja sakda....Pehrava + other things will make a complete sikh.
Is this right?

those other things are much more important,

hanji I went through post # 59.

Main ta Pehle Patsahi di kade topi wali pic dekhi nahi....

Also hun topi da koi tuk nahi oh ta sadde Gurua ne shad ti... rite?

tuhannu 'Seli Topi' barre pta si ? Idha hi pic banan waleya nu bhi nahi pta hona.

Guru ji ne topi pan to mana kitte,par kyu ? eehi discuss karn layi topic shuru kitte si.

 

[$IMPLE]

those other things are much more important,



tuhannu 'Seli Topi' barre pta si ? Idha hi pic banan waleya nu bhi nahi pta hona.

Guru ji ne topi pan to mana kitte,par kyu ? eehi discuss karn layi topic shuru kitte si.

kee leather es da reason hae


es karke topi ban keti see ke sikhan ne sar te cham nahe pehnna

 

[pps309]

those other things are much more important,

I agree other things are important...I am not denying their importance. coz je main oh deny kita ta I myself is not right.

Other things being more important does not mean pehnava is not important or one can deny pehnava and call himself a sikh.

To be frank....bina pagg to bina kesh, darhi muccha to you can not be a sikh......ah ta patthar di lakeer aa....

te haan gal thodi bhi sola aane sahi aa ke sirf kesh vadha ke ya pagg ban ke sikh nahi kaha sakde ..other things are also important or much more important also.

so sab kuch hi jaruri aa.....as i told earlier mala de sarre manke hon taahin mala fabdi aa.

 

[pps309]

Guru ji ne topi pan to mana kitte,par kyu ? eehi discuss karn layi topic shuru kitte si.

dat will be really interesting..and I really thank you for starting this thread...

 

[Pardesan Punjaban]

mainoo inna pata nahi
sach main ik gal hor puchani si

aapa ithe saare pag te topi da ithe discuss kar rahe
per os time jo vaster paounde si sikh like naheng type
like sikha da poora paherava
and aaj kal paint kameeze paounde
so fer kee sikh noo paint kameeze vi nahi paouni chiedi?

 

[pps309]

mainoo inna pata nahi
sach main ik gal hor puchani si

aapa ithe saare pag te topi da ithe discuss kar rahe
per os time jo vaster paounde si sikh like naheng type
like sikha da poora paherava
and aaj kal paint kameeze paounde

sofer kee sikh noo paint kameeze vi nahi paouni chiedi?

I was waiting ke ah question bhi aauga......
the answer for this lies in rehat maryada.....je kisse veer nu pata ta please channan pao...

waise fer ta koi bhi sikh nahi, even gurudwara sahib ch path kirtan karn wale bhaiji bhi sikh nahi.

Ek gal apne dil te hath rakh ke hi puch layo sarre Do you feel you can be sikh with hair cuts and clean-shaved faces.......je lagda ta theek aa go ahead.

 

[Pardesan Punjaban]

main te ji kaafi anjaan aa is subject vaare
bas ji aapa ithe discus kar rahe
jo question dimag ch ayia oh puch lia

aapa ithe mature ho ke disscuss kar rahe
so ik doosre naal discuss karke hee clear honia


vaase mainoo te koie farak nahi paina main kihra dari rakhani jan pag banani

je mere kol kujh galat kiha ho gia hove plz don;t mind

 

[pps309]

Thora ja chanan paa dena...excrept from sikh reht maryada.....





<TABLE width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reht Maryada
Section Four[/FONT]</TD><TD align=right>

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<TABLE width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chapter X[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Living in Consonance with Guru’s Tenets
Article XVI [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A Sikh’s living, earning livelihood, thinking and conduct should accord with the Guru’s tenets. The Guru’s tenets are:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](a) Worship should be rendered only to the One Timeless Being and to no god or goddess.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](b) Regarding the ten Gurus, the Guru Granth and the ten Gurus word alone as saviors and holy objects of veneration.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](c) Regarding ten Gurus as the effulgence of one light and one single entity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](d) Not believing in cast or descent, untouchability, magic, spells, incantation, omens, auspicious times, days and occasions, influence of start, horoscopic dispositions, shradh (ritual serving of food to priests for the salvation of ancestors on appointed days as per the lunar calendar), ancestor worship, khiah (ritual serving of food to priests - Brahmins - on the lunar anniversaries of the death of an ancestor), pind (offering of funeral barley cakes to the deceased’s relatives), patal (ritual donation of food in the belief that that would satisfy the hunger of the departed soul), diva (the ceremony of keeping an oil lamp lit for 360 days after the death, in the belief that that lights the path of the deceased), ritual funeral acts, hom (lighting of ritual fire and pouring intermittently clarified butter, food grains etc. into it for propitiating gods for the fulfillment of a purpose) jag (religious ceremony involving presentation of oblations), tarpan (libation), sikha-sut (keeping a tuft of hair on the head and wearing thread), bhadan (shaving of head on the death of a parent), fasting on new or full moon or other days, wearing of frontal marks on the forehead, wearing thread, wearing of a necklace of the pieces of tulsi stalk [A plant with medicinal properties], veneration of any graves, of monuments erected to honour the memory of a deceased person or of cremation sites, idolatry and such like superstitious observances. [Most, though not all rituals and ritual or religious observances listed in this clause are Hindu rituals and observances. The reason is that the old rituals and practices, continued to be observed by large numbers of Sikhs even after their conversion from their old to the new faith and a large bulk of the Sikh novices were Hindu converts. Another reason for this phenomenon was the strangle-hold of the Brahmin priest on Hindus secular and religious life which the Brahmin priest managed to maintain even on those leaving the Hindu religious fold, by his astute mental dexterity and rare capacity for compromise. That the Sikh novitiates include a sizable number of Muslims is shown by inclusion in this clause of the taboos as to the sanctity of graves, shirni, etc.][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not owning up or regarding as hallowed any place other than the Guru’s place - such, for instance, as sacred spots or places of pilgrimage of other faiths.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not believing in or according any authority to Muslim seers, Brahmins holiness, soothsayers, clairvoyants, oracles, promise of an offering on the fulfillment of a wish, offering of sweet loaves or rice pudding at graves on fulfillment of wishes, the Vedas, the Shastras, the Gayatri (Hindu scriptural prayer unto the sun), the Gita, the Quran, the Bible, etc.. However, the study of the books of other faiths for general self-education is admissible.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](e) The Khalsa should maintain its distinctiveness among the professors of different religions of the world, but should not hurt the sentiment of any person professing another religion.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](f) A Sikh should pray to God before launching off any task.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](g) Learning Gurmukhi (Punjabi in Gurmukhi script) is essential for a Sikh. He should pursue other studies also.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](h) It is a Sikh’s duty to get his children educated in Sikhism.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](i) A Sikh should, in no way, harbour any antipathy to the hair of the head with which his child is born. He should not temper with the hair with which the child is born. He should add the suffix “Singh” to the name of his son. A Sikh should keep the hair of his sons and daughters intact.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](j) A Sikh must not take hemp (cannabis), opium, liquor, tobacco, in short any intoxicant. His only routine intake should be food.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](k) Piercing of the nose or ears for wearing ornaments is forbidden for Sikh men and women.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](l) A Sikh should not kill his daughter, nor should he maintain any relationship with a killer of daughter.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](m) The true Sikh of the Guru shall make an honest living by lawful work.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](n) A Sikh shall regard a poor person’s mouth as the Guru’s cash offerings box.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](o) A Sikh should not steal, form dubious associations or engage in gambling.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](p) He who regards another man’s daughter as his own daughter, regards another man’s wife as his mother, has coition with his own wife alone, he alone is a truly disciplined Sikh of the Guru.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](q) A Sikh shall observe the Sikh rules of conduct and conventions from his birth right upto the end of his life.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](r) A Sikh, when he meets another Sikh, should greet him with “Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh” [The Khalsa is Waheguru’s; victory too is His!]. This is ordained for Sikh men and women both.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](s) It is not proper for a Sikh woman to wear a veil or keep her face hidden by veil or cover.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](t) For a Sikh, there is no restriction or requirement as to dress except for he must wear Kachhehra [A drawer type garment fastened by a fitted string round the waist, very often worn as an underwear] and turban. A Sikh woman may or may not tie turban.[/FONT]
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[pps309]

<TABLE width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reht Maryada [/FONT]</TD><TD align=right>

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<TABLE width=600><TBODY><TR><TD>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What is the Reht Maryada?
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This document is the Official Sikh Code of Conduct. There were a number of unsucessful attempts in the eighteenth century following the death of Guru Gobind Singh to produced an accurate portrayal of Sikh conduct and customs. These attempts were contradictory and inconsistent with many of the principles of the Gurus and were not accepted by the majority of Sikhs. Starting early this century in 1931 an attempt was made by the Shromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (S.G.P.C.) to produce a modern standard Rehit. These efforts involved the greatest Sikh scholars and theologians of this century who worked to produce the current version. The document produced has been accepted as the official version which provides guidelines against which all Sikh individuals and communities around the world can measure themselves. The Reht Maryada is the only version authorized by the Akal Takht, the seat of supreme temporal authority for Sikhs. It's implementation has sucessfully achieved a high level of uniformity in the religious and social practices of Sikhism. [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Some1]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] A Sikh’s living, earning livelihood, thinking and conduct should accord with the Guru’s tenets. The Guru’s tenets are:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](a) Worship should be rendered only to the One Timeless Being and to no god or goddess.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](b) Regarding the ten Gurus, the Guru Granth and the ten Gurus word alone as saviors and holy objects of veneration.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](c) Regarding ten Gurus as the effulgence of one light and one single entity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](d) Not believing in cast or descent, untouchability, magic, spells, incantation, omens, auspicious times, days and occasions, influence of start, horoscopic dispositions, shradh (ritual serving of food to priests for the salvation of ancestors on appointed days as per the lunar calendar), ancestor worship, khiah (ritual serving of food to priests - Brahmins - on the lunar anniversaries of the death of an ancestor), pind (offering of funeral barley cakes to the deceased’s relatives), patal (ritual donation of food in the belief that that would satisfy the hunger of the departed soul), diva (the ceremony of keeping an oil lamp lit for 360 days after the death, in the belief that that lights the path of the deceased), ritual funeral acts, hom (lighting of ritual fire and pouring intermittently clarified butter, food grains etc. into it for propitiating gods for the fulfillment of a purpose) jag (religious ceremony involving presentation of oblations), tarpan (libation), sikha-sut (keeping a tuft of hair on the head and wearing thread), bhadan (shaving of head on the death of a parent), fasting on new or full moon or other days, wearing of frontal marks on the forehead, wearing thread, wearing of a necklace of the pieces of tulsi stalk [A plant with medicinal properties], veneration of any graves, of monuments erected to honour the memory of a deceased person or of cremation sites, idolatry and such like superstitious observances. [Most, though not all rituals and ritual or religious observances listed in this clause are Hindu rituals and observances. The reason is that the old rituals and practices, continued to be observed by large numbers of Sikhs even after their conversion from their old to the new faith and a large bulk of the Sikh novices were Hindu converts. Another reason for this phenomenon was the strangle-hold of the Brahmin priest on Hindus secular and religious life which the Brahmin priest managed to maintain even on those leaving the Hindu religious fold, by his astute mental dexterity and rare capacity for compromise. That the Sikh novitiates include a sizable number of Muslims is shown by inclusion in this clause of the taboos as to the sanctity of graves, shirni, etc.][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not owning up or regarding as hallowed any place other than the Guru’s place - such, for instance, as sacred spots or places of pilgrimage of other faiths.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not believing in or according any authority to Muslim seers, Brahmins holiness, soothsayers, clairvoyants, oracles, promise of an offering on the fulfillment of a wish, offering of sweet loaves or rice pudding at graves on fulfillment of wishes, the Vedas, the Shastras, the Gayatri (Hindu scriptural prayer unto the sun), the Gita, the Quran, the Bible, etc.. However, the study of the books of other faiths for general self-education is admissible.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](e) The Khalsa should maintain its distinctiveness among the professors of different religions of the world, but should not hurt the sentiment of any person professing another religion.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](f) A Sikh should pray to God before launching off any task.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](g) Learning Gurmukhi (Punjabi in Gurmukhi script) is essential for a Sikh. He should pursue other studies also.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](h) It is a Sikh’s duty to get his children educated in Sikhism.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](i) A Sikh should, in no way, harbour any antipathy to the hair of the head with which his child is born. He should not temper with the hair with which the child is born. He should add the suffix “Singh” to the name of his son. A Sikh should keep the hair of his sons and daughters intact.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](j) A Sikh must not take hemp (cannabis), opium, liquor, tobacco, in short any intoxicant. His only routine intake should be food.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](k) Piercing of the nose or ears for wearing ornaments is forbidden for Sikh men and women.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](l) A Sikh should not kill his daughter, nor should he maintain any relationship with a killer of daughter.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](m) The true Sikh of the Guru shall make an honest living by lawful work.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](n) A Sikh shall regard a poor person’s mouth as the Guru’s cash offerings box.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](o) A Sikh should not steal, form dubious associations or engage in gambling.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](p) He who regards another man’s daughter as his own daughter, regards another man’s wife as his mother, has coition with his own wife alone, he alone is a truly disciplined Sikh of the Guru.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](q) A Sikh shall observe the Sikh rules of conduct and conventions from his birth right upto the end of his life.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](r) A Sikh, when he meets another Sikh, should greet him with “Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh” [The Khalsa is Waheguru’s; victory too is His!]. This is ordained for Sikh men and women both.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](s) It is not proper for a Sikh woman to wear a veil or keep her face hidden by veil or cover.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](t) For a Sikh, there is no restriction or requirement as to dress except for he must wear Kachhehra [A drawer type garment fastened by a fitted string round the waist, very often worn as an underwear] and turban. A Sikh woman may or may not tie turban.[/FONT]

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so i follow the stuff in red ...

d. i believe in birthdays

h. ill do that wen i hav children

i. neva cut my hair till uni .. nd den cut only cuz they were limp ... split ends till the middle ... thinning like hell .... nasty canadian water :mach lol once i got them cut i thot mite as well get a nice hairstyle


j. had alcohol in the summer :mach a lil bit u knw

k. dint know that wen got that done w ...

p. im a she

r. eh ? rnt we supposed to say 'sat sri akal'

 

[Dhillon]

A Sikh should give 10% of all his earnings to Gurudwara (Dasaundh)

So do we have a sikh among us or do we even know a sikh ?

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[Pardesan Punjaban]

main nahi dindi

ghar de shied de dinde
so

 

[Angel_Eyes]

A Sikh should give 10% of all his earnings to Gurudwara (Dasaundh)

So do we have a sikh among us or do we even know a sikh ?

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dhillon saab topi vaali gall te chanana pao hor, main ta pehla keh ditta si ki there are so many things we dont follow right, But that doesnt take us outta sikhism, first day u are sikh is when u are born into a sikh family, thats where is starts from.....baaki i agree with everything else said too, par hun je o reason vi dass dao ta...and dasaundh, my mom does that, dasaundh da ta pata nahi, but she keeps a dollar everyday and everytime she goes to india, baba bakala gurdawara sahib hai nauvi patshaahi da, thats where she gives it in.....i dunno if thats dasaundh of her income or not, but i have seen her doing it for long.........dasaundh ta main lai jaandi huni ohna di income da.......lol (j/k)
and jado asi kamavange, i promised myself i will do my best to do the same too.....

 

[SHauKeeN GaBRu]

sadde varge Reht Maryada nahi follow karde hone...magar assi fer vi apne aap nu Sikh kahauna pasand karde haan...

 

[SHauKeeN GaBRu]

main pehlaan vi kya c ke jinne Amrit Chhakeya aunnu Reht follow karni zarooro hai...
main vi in future Amrit jaroor Chhakaanga....