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यह देखिये-

१- पुत्री,पत्नी,माता या कन्या,युवा,व्रुद्धा किसी भी स्वरुप में नारी स्वतंत्र नही होनी चाहिए. -मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-९ श्लोक-२ से ६ तक.

...२- पति पत्नी को छोड सकता हैं, सुद(गिरवी) पर रख सकता हैं, बेच सकता हैं, लेकिन स्त्री को इस प्रकार के अधिकार नही हैं. किसी भी स्थिती में, विवाह के बाद, पत्नी सदैव पत्नी ही रहती हैं. - मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-९ श्लोक-४५

३- संपति और मिलकियत के अधिकार और दावो के लिए, शूद्र की स्त्रिया भी "दास" हैं, स्त्री को संपति रखने का अधिकार नही हैं, स्त्री की संपति का मलिक उसका पति,पूत्र, या पिता हैं. - मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-९ श्लोक-४१६.

४- ढोर, गंवार, शूद्र और नारी, ये सब ताडन के अधिकारी हैं, यानी नारी को ढोर की तरह मार सकते हैं....तुलसी दास पर भी इसका प्रभाव दिखने को मिलता हैं, वह लिखते हैं-"ढोर,चमार और नारी, ताडन के अधिकारी."

- मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-८ श्लोक-२९९

५- असत्य जिस तरह अपवित्र हैं, उसी भांति स्त्रियां भी अपवित्र हैं, यानी पढने का, पढाने का, वेद-मंत्र बोलने का या उपनयन का स्त्रियो को अधिकार नही हैं.- मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-२ श्लोक-६६ और अध्याय-९ श्लोक-१८.

६- स्त्रियां नर्कगामीनी होने के कारण वह यग्यकार्य या दैनिक अग्निहोत्र भी नही कर सकती.(इसी लिए कहा जाता है-"नारी नर्क का द्वार") - मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-११ श्लोक-३६ और ३७ .

७- यग्यकार्य करने वाली या वेद मंत्र बोलने वाली स्त्रियो से किसी ब्राह्मण भी ने भोजन नही लेना चाहिए, स्त्रियो ने किए हुए सभी यग्य कार्य अशुभ होने से देवो को स्वीकार्य नही हैं. - मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-४ श्लोक-२०५ और २०६ .

८- - मनुस्मुर्ति के मुताबिक तो , स्त्री पुरुष को मोहित करने वाली - अध्याय-२ श्लोक-२१४ .

९ - स्त्री पुरुष को दास बनाकर पदभ्रष्ट करने वाली हैं. अध्याय-२ श्लोक-२१४

१० - स्त्री एकांत का दुरुप्योग करने वाली. अध्याय-२ श्लोक-२१५.

११. - स्त्री संभोग के लिए उमर या कुरुपताको नही देखती. अध्याय-९ श्लोक-११४.

१२- स्त्री चंचल और हदयहीन,पति की ओर निष्ठारहित होती हैं. अध्याय-२ श्लोक-११५.

१३.- केवल शैया, आभुषण और वस्त्रो को ही प्रेम करने वाली, वासनायुक्त, बेईमान, इर्षाखोर,दुराचारी हैं . अध्याय-९ श्लोक-१७.

१४.- सुखी संसार के लिए स्त्रीओ को कैसे रहना चाहिए? इस प्रश्न के उतर में मनु कहते हैं-

(१). स्त्रीओ को जीवन भर पति की आग्या का पालन करना चाहिए. - मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-५ श्लोक-११५.

(२). पति सदाचारहीन हो,अन्य स्त्रीओ में आसक्त हो, दुर्गुणो से भरा हुआ हो, नंपुसंक हो, जैसा भी हो फ़िर भी स्त्री को पतिव्रता बनकर उसे देव की तरह पूजना चाहिए.- मनुस्मुर्तिःअध्याय-५ श्लोक-१५४.

जो इस प्रकार के उपर के ये प्रावधान वाले पाशविक रीति-नीति के विधान वाले पोस्टर क्यो नही छपवाये?

(१) वर्णानुसार करने के कार्यः -

- महातेजस्वी ब्रह्मा ने स्रुष्टी की रचना के लिए ब्राह्मण,क्षत्रिय,वैश्य और शूद्र को भिन्न-भिन्न कर्म करने को तै किया हैं -

- पढ्ना,पढाना,यग्य करना-कराना,दान लेना यह सब ब्राह्मण को कर्म करना हैं. अध्यायः१:श्लोक:८७

- प्रजा रक्षण , दान देना, यग्य करना, पढ्ना...यह सब क्षत्रिय को करने के कर्म हैं. - अध्यायः१:श्लोक:८९

- पशु-पालन , दान देना,यग्य करना, पढ्ना,सुद(ब्याज) लेना यह वैश्य को करने का कर्म हैं. - अध्यायः१:श्लोक:९०.

- द्वेष-भावना रहित, आंनदित होकर उपर्युक्त तीनो-वर्गो की नि:स्वार्थ सेवा करना, यह शूद्र का कर्म हैं. - अध्यायः१:श्लोक:९१
 

pps309

Prime VIP
Waheguru sammat baksho.............Kaam nu kabu ch rakhiye par apni kamiya lai kisse jnani nu jimmerwar naa banaiye :pray
 

@n@@m

unknown but known to all
why you have only quoted manu smriti in hindusm kudiya nu god manya janda aa proof is navratre :)
te last lines that were brahman kshatriya shudra and vaishya at that time us varna was not decided on born it was decided by karmas :)
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
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Difficult to defend the points in Manusmriti, but that said it was written by some unknown person 3500 years ago and altered many times over the years by unknown people to suit their need.
 

pps309

Prime VIP
Difficult to defend the points in Manusmriti, but that said it was written by some unknown person 3500 years ago and altered many times over the years by unknown people to suit their need.
manu smriti is not a authenticate book and not used any where :tj
Can I infer from your answers that current copy of manusmriti is fake? IF AT ALL there was any manusamriti, it was not this.
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
Staff member
Can I infer from your answers that current copy of manusmriti is fake? IF AT ALL there was any manusamriti, it was not this.
nor totally fake or real. think of it as 'Rehat Maryada' of Hindus influenced by ignorance, misinterpretation, culture and self-serving motives.
 

pps309

Prime VIP
nor totally fake or real. think of it as 'Rehat Maryada' of Hindus influenced by ignorance, misinterpretation, culture and self-serving motives.

I am confused here.........how is culture affecting manusmriti? Can I infer that culture in old days (during ancient hinduism), was really bad and womenfolk was always at receiving end? Is this due to religion of that time or people were corrupt from day one?
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
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lol, Female Infanticide was rampant among SIkhs in last few centuries. If someone had written a book justifying it. Would that have meant Guru Nanak made a bad religion ?
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
^^thrs difference between book anddharam granth....
Either deny the book or accept its fault......
After 100 posts you are still not convienced that ram is not ram chander then ripp of the very firstt page of sgggs which says ajooni ...or retreat your thoughts
God can never be in joons or in form of man
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
sure.....but then atleast accept it ...... and improve it .... or deny it
keeping the supremacy of flawfull granth is non sense
then refraining everyone to go against it on the name of humanity respect devotion
 

Dhillon

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Some of the point in first post are offensive most are just seem to be based on the culture of that time- more from Manusmriti below.
 

Dhillon

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3.55. A father, brother, husband or brother-in-law should keep their daughter, sister, wife or sister-in-law happy and pleased through gentle words, respectful behavior, gifts etc. Those who desire prosperity should ensure that women in their family are always happy and do not face miseries.

3.57. A family where women remain unhappy due to misdeeds of their men is bound to be destroyed. And a family where women are always happy is bound to prosper forever.

3.58. A family- where women feel insulted or discriminated against and curse their menfolk- is destroyed in same manner as poison kills all those who eat it.

3.59. One desiring glory should ensure that he keeps women in the family by giving them respect and pleasing them with good ornaments, dresses, food. Women should always be revered under all circumstances.

3.62. A person who does not keep her wife happy causes misery for entire family. And if wife is happy, entire family appears as happiness incarnate.

9.26. Women give birth to next generation. They enlighten the home. They bring fortune and bliss. Hence women are synonymous to Prosperity.

This shloka forms the basis of women being called Ghar ki Laxmi or ‘Goddess of Fortune in Home‘ in India even till today.

9.28. Woman is the source of all kinds of happiness in all generations – be it from children, or from noble benevolent deeds or through conjugal bliss or through service of elders.

In other words, woman is the primary source of bliss in many forms – sometimes as mother, sometimes as daughter, sometimes as wife and sometimes as a partner in spiritual deeds. It also means that participation of women is necessary for conduct of any religious or spiritual activity.

9.96. Man and Woman are incomplete without each other. Hence the most ordinary religious duty would demand participation of both.

4.180. A wise man should not indulge in fights and arguments with his family members including mother, daughter and wife.

9.4. A father who does not marry his daughter to a deserving groom deserves condemnation. A husband who does not fulfill just demands of her wife deserves condemnation. A son who does not take care of her widow mother deserves condemnation.

9.101. Husband and Wife should remain together till death. They should not approach any other partner, nor commit adultery. This, in summary, is the Dharma or religion of all human beings.

9.11. Women should be provided autonomy and leadership in managing the finances, maintaining hygiene, spiritual and religious activities, nutrition and overall management of home.

9.12. A woman who is kept constrained in a home by noble men (husband, father, son) is still insecure. Thus it is futile to restrict women. Security of women would come only through her own capabilities and mindset.

9.6. Even a weak husband should attempt to protect his wife.

9.5 Women should keep themselves away from vices. Because when women lose character, the entire society is destroyed.
 

Dhillon

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5.149. A woman should always ensure that she is protected. It is duty of father, husband and son to protect her.

9.89. It is better to keep the daughter unmarried than force her to marry an undeserving person.

9.90-91. A woman can choose her own husband after attaining maturity. If her parents are unable to choose a deserving groom, she can herself choose her husband.

9.130. A daughter is equivalent to a son. In her presence, how can any one snatch away her right over the property.

9.131. A daughter alone has the right over personal property of her mother.

3.52. Those relatives who rob away or thrive on wealth, property, vehicles or dresses of a woman or her family are wiliest of people.

8.323. Those who abduct women should be given death sentence.

9.232. Those who kill women, children or scholarly virtuous people should be given strictest punishment.

8.352. Those who rape or molest women or incite them into adultery should be given harshest punishment that creates fear among others to even think of such a crime.

2.138. A man in a vehicle should give way to the following – aged person, diseased person, one carrying burden, groom, king, student and a woman.
 

Dhillon

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Uppar waliya kai gallan Hajam bhi ho gayian te swad bhi laggiya :p

Some religious Intellectuals should sit together, discard the bad parts and keep the good part.
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
addition to that they have factious flaws .... your post above doesnot going to delete the main post of the thread..... the point is not just manusimrti ....its about everything
some ved is telling you to sacrifice lives to get stuff
some shahstra is telling you to keep women of low caste as sex slave
some where its written that earth is stood on ox and somewhr on snake
i mean the list is endless......
whats the point of shaving widows head....and unfortunately its not just the customs these things are written in thr dharam granths
idol worship is the least stupid thing written i guess ...atleast it doesnt harm anyone
As a human being its my moral duty to call wrong the wrong ..and right the right ...
shardha ne bahut nuksaan keeta...apa hor na karvaie
bhavein charkahiran te charra deo ..bhave degh ch ubaal deo ...fakeer hazir ae
 
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