Value of Religion and all aspects of religion ...
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full_taur
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JaY said:all i gotta say is
"Just dont form your own impressions.. first think,learn and then comment on anyone..."
i've thot enuff but dont think ur seeing things frm other perspectives ...
and i made this thread only to comment and comment more and learn more
Na Biba naa.. i am not forming any impressions or anything...and yaar we are having a healthy discussion here.. no impressions or anything...
and yeah we all are learning.. and yeah i also learn a lot from your questions and im also benefited in turn.. so no sweat Mate..
Baaki do read it what i have said.. it may be very long.. but its worth reading... and yaar dnt worry about anything.. you can ask me anything and i will try & answer as much as i know.. Baaki vaise is nimaane jehe nu kuch khaas nai pata...
and sorry to say... which perspectives are u talking about... i think jehre tuhadhe perspectives ne.. i am also in same conditions and same terms..... so janaab tusi vi scho.. thinko...
neil
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ehe tan main kehna pps bai,
mainu pata ve kayee apne preacher galat aa. par ek simple insaan nun bani samjhan layee saral shabdan wich preacher de lor mehsoos hundi aa, jiddan teacher hunde aa kise ve cheej nun samjhaun vaste, oh apne rol model ve hunde aa, ise karke ohi gursikh banda jehra amirtdahri hove ee wadhiya lagda bani de arth karda.
baki rahi gall wal kataun de te kaye pakhandi pathian de, main ehna nun relate nahin karda see. main tan tainu example ditti see, ve sirf pagg banan naal te amrit chakan naal ee poora sikh ne banda koi.
there is lot more into this
mainu pata ve kayee apne preacher galat aa. par ek simple insaan nun bani samjhan layee saral shabdan wich preacher de lor mehsoos hundi aa, jiddan teacher hunde aa kise ve cheej nun samjhaun vaste, oh apne rol model ve hunde aa, ise karke ohi gursikh banda jehra amirtdahri hove ee wadhiya lagda bani de arth karda.
baki rahi gall wal kataun de te kaye pakhandi pathian de, main ehna nun relate nahin karda see. main tan tainu example ditti see, ve sirf pagg banan naal te amrit chakan naal ee poora sikh ne banda koi.
there is lot more into this
pps309 said:
pps309
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DEFINITION OF SIKH
Laid on the blood of martyrs
cladded in splendid turbans
The Sikh faith,immensely logical,proved historical.
Popularily known as Sardar ji's
Have borne pain with magical ease
'As is God,so is the Guru and as is the Guru so must be a Sikh'
Iron bangles in our wrists
Wooden combs under our turbans
Owning unshorn hair
Even in unimaginable conditions did dare.
Guru Gobind's brave hearts,honourable men
Experienced warriors,drilled in valour
Bathed in Vaaheguru's grace
Cladded in Sikhly robes
Against tyranny,the only hopes.
Guru Nanak,a man of courage, compassion,
Intellect,tireless pursuit of goals,
An emancipated being.
Orthrodox ideas,Immoral beliefs,he aimed abolishing.
Excessive importance he laid on liberal living.
Guru Nanak percieved the true principles of reforms,
To lay those broad foundations,
Enabled his successor Gobind to fire the minds of
his countrymen with a new valour and give practical
effect to the doctrine that the lowest is equal with
the highest in race as in creed,in political rights as
in religious hopes.
Guru Nanak's life coincided with a period of religious renaissance.
John Calvin, Martin Luther,his contemporaries.
Quoted Guru Nanak,'Religion does not lie in empty words.
He who regards all men as one is religious.'
His ideas authentic,nodern,marvellous.'
His Excellency Guru Gobind Singh
Humble he was,humility he preached
Against casteism he was,equality he preached
Apostle of Equality,Justice,he was
Incarnation of freedom,revolution he was
Life according to the Sikh Rehat Maryada he pleaded of course.
Ever Nishan sahib will keep flying high
Even in the world wars Sikhs did die.
Ample callow Sikhs massacred
Panjpyare,Sahibzade
Many others of Sikh mothers
Gorgeous Dastaars,perfect outlook,full beards.
Members of the Guru's Fauja,His Sangat,Gurudwara,His presence
Sikh's have Guru's loves essence.
Bhagat Singh,the apostle of revolution
Father of this nation he ought to be
Though independent India he did not see.
Shahbeg singh,the unsurmountable,ultimate
Against Pakistan 1971 war he did lead
Attaining matyrdom he did succeed
Deep Singh,immemorable,evergreen
His valour the world has seen
Gur.Arjan,burnt alive
Tegh Bahadar,beheaded
Gobind Singh,stabbed
Deep Singh,decapitated
Mani Singh,cut limb by limb
Innumerable Sikhs,inhumanly slain
Inflicted with immense pain.
May the entire world be blessed
In turbans Sikhs are dressed
Emperors who imparted justice
Harbingers of peace,harmony,revolution
Sikhs gifted India rejuvenation.
Guru Gobind singh quoted at Anandpur,
'You're the sons of Nanak
The chosen ones,
The creator's own.
Love man as man,
Make no distinctions of caste or creed,
You will bow your head only to your Master,
You will not worship stock,stone,idol or tomb.
Remember always in times of difficulty,
The Holy names of the Masters,
Nanak,Angad,Amar Dass,Ram Dass,Arjan Dev,
Hargobind,Har Rai,Harkrishan,Tegh Bahadar.
I make you a rosary of these names,
You shall not pray each for himself,
For the entire Khalsa,
In each of you the whole brotherhood shallbe incarnated.
You are my sons both in flesh and spirit.
Bole So Nihal-Sat Sri Akal,our battle cry
In eradicating tyranny innumerable Sikhs did die.
Their deeds emmited dazzling radiance
As intangible rocks the stood in defiance
Sikhism is courage,honour and truth
Where we are taught how to seek the right
Struggle,conquer in life's great fight.
Forcible conversion to Islam was the trend
Death Sikhs did award to injust to curb and end
Indian belief Sikhs did reform,mend.
Darbar Sahib,Amritsar,extremely magnificient
Oceans of Dastaars,beards and Gurbani
The celestial golden radiance,immemorable
Enchanted by it's beauty
Hypnotized by the sight
Thou shall be compelled to say'This place is right'
Gurfateh!Victory to the Guru
Khalsa the Guru organized
His army's feats of strength against tyranny he exercised.
Sikhs,brutally butchered.
Bellies of Sikhs ripped open,
Iron pegs struck into their heads,
Innumerable imprisoned,
Unaccountable starved to death,
Immense number,beheaded,
Carcasses,a common sight,
Pyramids of Sikh heads constructed,
Despite unimaginable brutalities,
Sikhs did strive,eminently survive.
Since they've evolved,300 times the Earth has revolved
With extensive caliber
Unaccountable feats of strength
Born gutsy,utmost valiant.
Deeds enthusiastic,utterly jubliant.
Unjustly sever were the days
Death was noticed even in the dazzling Sun's rays
Mughals Khalsa did brave,India's dignity did they save
Independence Sikhs did crave.
Born a king,Even he did Vaaheguru's hymns sing
India Gobind Singh energised
Exceptionally on villians clout he exercised.
Born a king,Even he did Vaaheguru's hymns sing.
Distinguished Statesmen,eminent Warriors,
Illustrious Khalsa,United Khalsa,
Eliminated Diplomacy,Treachery,
Two sides of the British Coin,
Their rule Sikhs did ruin.
Revolted against wickedness
With peace this nation did they harness
Overcome did they ample stumbling blocks
Injustice confront like unshakable rocks.
Descendants of Tegh Bahadar
Known as 'Hind Ki Chadar'
Of the Panth-Gobind is the father
Their valour knew no bounds
Patriotism was limitless
Even the hostile,injured soldiers did they caress,redress
Standing out for their distinctive appearence,marvellous humour
Unaccountable valour,Their assertiveness,energy undiminished
Savage persecutions Khalsa extinguished.
Experienced Khalsa faced all
Invasions and Inquisitions
Triumphs accompanied by tragidies
Piety along with sense of divine purpose
Devotion,also depravities
Loyalties and betrayals
Courage,convictions,confronted eliminations.
Sikhism,basic compassion of Hinduism
Essential brotherhood of Islam
Incurred absurdities,encouraged equality
Enforced peace,Insisted reformation,caused amendation
Withstanding long years of Savage Persecution
Sikhs resurrected India,Caused amendation.
Immensely inspired by Tegh Bahdar's resolute character,
Enchanted by his deeds,
Sikh sowed revolutionary seeds.
Gobind Singh resolved upon awakening India,
To a new life and upon giving accuracy,
Aimed to broaden the techings of Nanak,
In the heart of a powerful empire.
He set himself the task of subverting it.
From the midst of Social Degradation,
Religious Corruption,
Guru Sahib called for simplicity of manners,
Singleness of purpose.
Gobind Singh proclaimed,
'Turban,an indispensible symbol of the Sikh attire.'
Gobind Singh founded the fellowship of Khalsa.
Gave birth to distinctive code of personal
Appearence,Dress,Conduct.
Tyrannical deeds Sikhs did obstruct.
Gobind Singh,Sharp-featured,Tall,Wiry,
Superbly Dressed,Wearing a Plume-Topped Turban,
Armed with a variety of weapons.
When seated on throne or out hunting,
A white Hawk perched on his left hand.
Quoted His Excellency,'Men are all one'.
Inequality he did shun.
Guru Har Rai,ordered by Aurengzeb,the Austere
to reach Delhi,refused the Firman(Royal Order).
Guru Sahib remarked,'I am not a King who
payeth thee tribute,nor do I desire to recieve
anything from thee,neither do we stand in priest
or disciple relation, so wherefore hath thou
summoned me?'.
Guru Hargobind ceaselessly contributed to the
spiritual goals set by his fore bearers.
He Highlighted the ongoing importance of
striking back at those who dared raise hands
against Religious beliefs.
Guru Sahib transformed the passive Indian
mood of servility into one of confident
defiance of auto cratic rulers, and brimmed
Sikhs with fierce pride and unimagianble valour.
During the Mughal age
A Muslim Commoner,excessively powerful,
Could order a Hindu to open his mouth and
then could spit into it.
Rejuvenated India Sikhs did knit.
Brought an end to every injust bit.
Tyrannical Mughal rulers passed anti-Hindu laws.
Sikhs brought them out of their fatal jaws.
Hindus,not allowed to ride on horses.
In some villages on donkeys.
In many that too was a crime.
Dismayed,Shattered were the Hindus in the Mughal regime.
Khalsa,an aristocracy dedicated and consciously trained,
Grounded in virtue,In talent and in self-imposed code of sacrifice
to humanity.
Hindu women were transformed to slaves in Central Asia.
Sikhs, aginst unsocial, ineducable fought.
Their women back they brought.
Due to Sikhs,Hinduism survived.
India they revived.
Unstintingly Sikhs did sacrifice.
Unparalelled their martyrdoms.
Incomparable their bravery.
Peace Sikhs did unshackle,
Injustice,reduce to rubble.
Rejecting intolerance of other faiths,
Revolting against idol worship.
Sikhism, a movement of peace,
Transformed of necessity,into a community,
Which places Military values alongside Spiritual.
Wahe Guru Ji Da Khalsa,
Wahe Guru Ji Di Fateh.
The Khalsa belong to God and
God's truth shall always prevail.
Panth Ki Jeet!!
Laid on the blood of martyrs
cladded in splendid turbans
The Sikh faith,immensely logical,proved historical.
Popularily known as Sardar ji's
Have borne pain with magical ease
'As is God,so is the Guru and as is the Guru so must be a Sikh'
Iron bangles in our wrists
Wooden combs under our turbans
Owning unshorn hair
Even in unimaginable conditions did dare.
Guru Gobind's brave hearts,honourable men
Experienced warriors,drilled in valour
Bathed in Vaaheguru's grace
Cladded in Sikhly robes
Against tyranny,the only hopes.
Guru Nanak,a man of courage, compassion,
Intellect,tireless pursuit of goals,
An emancipated being.
Orthrodox ideas,Immoral beliefs,he aimed abolishing.
Excessive importance he laid on liberal living.
Guru Nanak percieved the true principles of reforms,
To lay those broad foundations,
Enabled his successor Gobind to fire the minds of
his countrymen with a new valour and give practical
effect to the doctrine that the lowest is equal with
the highest in race as in creed,in political rights as
in religious hopes.
Guru Nanak's life coincided with a period of religious renaissance.
John Calvin, Martin Luther,his contemporaries.
Quoted Guru Nanak,'Religion does not lie in empty words.
He who regards all men as one is religious.'
His ideas authentic,nodern,marvellous.'
His Excellency Guru Gobind Singh
Humble he was,humility he preached
Against casteism he was,equality he preached
Apostle of Equality,Justice,he was
Incarnation of freedom,revolution he was
Life according to the Sikh Rehat Maryada he pleaded of course.
Ever Nishan sahib will keep flying high
Even in the world wars Sikhs did die.
Ample callow Sikhs massacred
Panjpyare,Sahibzade
Many others of Sikh mothers
Gorgeous Dastaars,perfect outlook,full beards.
Members of the Guru's Fauja,His Sangat,Gurudwara,His presence
Sikh's have Guru's loves essence.
Bhagat Singh,the apostle of revolution
Father of this nation he ought to be
Though independent India he did not see.
Shahbeg singh,the unsurmountable,ultimate
Against Pakistan 1971 war he did lead
Attaining matyrdom he did succeed
Deep Singh,immemorable,evergreen
His valour the world has seen
Gur.Arjan,burnt alive
Tegh Bahadar,beheaded
Gobind Singh,stabbed
Deep Singh,decapitated
Mani Singh,cut limb by limb
Innumerable Sikhs,inhumanly slain
Inflicted with immense pain.
May the entire world be blessed
In turbans Sikhs are dressed
Emperors who imparted justice
Harbingers of peace,harmony,revolution
Sikhs gifted India rejuvenation.
Guru Gobind singh quoted at Anandpur,
'You're the sons of Nanak
The chosen ones,
The creator's own.
Love man as man,
Make no distinctions of caste or creed,
You will bow your head only to your Master,
You will not worship stock,stone,idol or tomb.
Remember always in times of difficulty,
The Holy names of the Masters,
Nanak,Angad,Amar Dass,Ram Dass,Arjan Dev,
Hargobind,Har Rai,Harkrishan,Tegh Bahadar.
I make you a rosary of these names,
You shall not pray each for himself,
For the entire Khalsa,
In each of you the whole brotherhood shallbe incarnated.
You are my sons both in flesh and spirit.
Bole So Nihal-Sat Sri Akal,our battle cry
In eradicating tyranny innumerable Sikhs did die.
Their deeds emmited dazzling radiance
As intangible rocks the stood in defiance
Sikhism is courage,honour and truth
Where we are taught how to seek the right
Struggle,conquer in life's great fight.
Forcible conversion to Islam was the trend
Death Sikhs did award to injust to curb and end
Indian belief Sikhs did reform,mend.
Darbar Sahib,Amritsar,extremely magnificient
Oceans of Dastaars,beards and Gurbani
The celestial golden radiance,immemorable
Enchanted by it's beauty
Hypnotized by the sight
Thou shall be compelled to say'This place is right'
Gurfateh!Victory to the Guru
Khalsa the Guru organized
His army's feats of strength against tyranny he exercised.
Sikhs,brutally butchered.
Bellies of Sikhs ripped open,
Iron pegs struck into their heads,
Innumerable imprisoned,
Unaccountable starved to death,
Immense number,beheaded,
Carcasses,a common sight,
Pyramids of Sikh heads constructed,
Despite unimaginable brutalities,
Sikhs did strive,eminently survive.
Since they've evolved,300 times the Earth has revolved
With extensive caliber
Unaccountable feats of strength
Born gutsy,utmost valiant.
Deeds enthusiastic,utterly jubliant.
Unjustly sever were the days
Death was noticed even in the dazzling Sun's rays
Mughals Khalsa did brave,India's dignity did they save
Independence Sikhs did crave.
Born a king,Even he did Vaaheguru's hymns sing
India Gobind Singh energised
Exceptionally on villians clout he exercised.
Born a king,Even he did Vaaheguru's hymns sing.
Distinguished Statesmen,eminent Warriors,
Illustrious Khalsa,United Khalsa,
Eliminated Diplomacy,Treachery,
Two sides of the British Coin,
Their rule Sikhs did ruin.
Revolted against wickedness
With peace this nation did they harness
Overcome did they ample stumbling blocks
Injustice confront like unshakable rocks.
Descendants of Tegh Bahadar
Known as 'Hind Ki Chadar'
Of the Panth-Gobind is the father
Their valour knew no bounds
Patriotism was limitless
Even the hostile,injured soldiers did they caress,redress
Standing out for their distinctive appearence,marvellous humour
Unaccountable valour,Their assertiveness,energy undiminished
Savage persecutions Khalsa extinguished.
Experienced Khalsa faced all
Invasions and Inquisitions
Triumphs accompanied by tragidies
Piety along with sense of divine purpose
Devotion,also depravities
Loyalties and betrayals
Courage,convictions,confronted eliminations.
Sikhism,basic compassion of Hinduism
Essential brotherhood of Islam
Incurred absurdities,encouraged equality
Enforced peace,Insisted reformation,caused amendation
Withstanding long years of Savage Persecution
Sikhs resurrected India,Caused amendation.
Immensely inspired by Tegh Bahdar's resolute character,
Enchanted by his deeds,
Sikh sowed revolutionary seeds.
Gobind Singh resolved upon awakening India,
To a new life and upon giving accuracy,
Aimed to broaden the techings of Nanak,
In the heart of a powerful empire.
He set himself the task of subverting it.
From the midst of Social Degradation,
Religious Corruption,
Guru Sahib called for simplicity of manners,
Singleness of purpose.
Gobind Singh proclaimed,
'Turban,an indispensible symbol of the Sikh attire.'
Gobind Singh founded the fellowship of Khalsa.
Gave birth to distinctive code of personal
Appearence,Dress,Conduct.
Tyrannical deeds Sikhs did obstruct.
Gobind Singh,Sharp-featured,Tall,Wiry,
Superbly Dressed,Wearing a Plume-Topped Turban,
Armed with a variety of weapons.
When seated on throne or out hunting,
A white Hawk perched on his left hand.
Quoted His Excellency,'Men are all one'.
Inequality he did shun.
Guru Har Rai,ordered by Aurengzeb,the Austere
to reach Delhi,refused the Firman(Royal Order).
Guru Sahib remarked,'I am not a King who
payeth thee tribute,nor do I desire to recieve
anything from thee,neither do we stand in priest
or disciple relation, so wherefore hath thou
summoned me?'.
Guru Hargobind ceaselessly contributed to the
spiritual goals set by his fore bearers.
He Highlighted the ongoing importance of
striking back at those who dared raise hands
against Religious beliefs.
Guru Sahib transformed the passive Indian
mood of servility into one of confident
defiance of auto cratic rulers, and brimmed
Sikhs with fierce pride and unimagianble valour.
During the Mughal age
A Muslim Commoner,excessively powerful,
Could order a Hindu to open his mouth and
then could spit into it.
Rejuvenated India Sikhs did knit.
Brought an end to every injust bit.
Tyrannical Mughal rulers passed anti-Hindu laws.
Sikhs brought them out of their fatal jaws.
Hindus,not allowed to ride on horses.
In some villages on donkeys.
In many that too was a crime.
Dismayed,Shattered were the Hindus in the Mughal regime.
Khalsa,an aristocracy dedicated and consciously trained,
Grounded in virtue,In talent and in self-imposed code of sacrifice
to humanity.
Hindu women were transformed to slaves in Central Asia.
Sikhs, aginst unsocial, ineducable fought.
Their women back they brought.
Due to Sikhs,Hinduism survived.
India they revived.
Unstintingly Sikhs did sacrifice.
Unparalelled their martyrdoms.
Incomparable their bravery.
Peace Sikhs did unshackle,
Injustice,reduce to rubble.
Rejecting intolerance of other faiths,
Revolting against idol worship.
Sikhism, a movement of peace,
Transformed of necessity,into a community,
Which places Military values alongside Spiritual.
Wahe Guru Ji Da Khalsa,
Wahe Guru Ji Di Fateh.
The Khalsa belong to God and
God's truth shall always prevail.
Panth Ki Jeet!!
pps309
Prime VIP
bohat wadi gal kitti aa.....duje mada kaam karde ohna nu dekh ke main bhi mada kaam kare...eh taa kisse passe di samjhdari nahi.
main dekhya ek chicago wal babbe da haal...kudi naal farya gaya motel ch....but esda matlab eh nahi ke main hun pagg banan da irada badal du...oh hor majboot ho gaya..ke je ek nalaik nikal aaya ta duja oss di kami puri karu......
Panth ki Jeet
full_taur
Member
Good Bai... but yaar i wrote everything in it because of the reasons... Hope tainu samajh agayai hovegi my analogy & everything..neil said:
& i do hope sab ne atleast padaya te hona, what i have written... i know its very very long.. but its worth reading... especially the points to ponder..Think about them...
Jay Biba te chup hi go gayi.. No Offenses Jay.. its a healthy discussion going on here...
pps309 said:
Good Mitra.. thats a way to go & yaar this thinking is great.. aiven hi hona chahida hai... yaar tusi duje bande nu rok nai sakde, but definitely you can do whats wrong & right...
& yaar kisi ne hor kahanian sun niya hon ki guruduwara vich ki hoya, bhaiji ne ki kita, te contact me.. you will be shocked... but this happens everywhere... and these things shouldnt impact us..... Mein te yeh kahanian sunda te dekhda hunda, just maje len layi and i thiknk how big idiots those people are...:O:O:O:O
ig
neil
W@TNO DOOR
bai, main paree ve te sochiya ve, ajj kall de materialistic duniya wich, iddan de lok ve joende aa.
hmm...amazing bai
iddan da hunda guru da sikh.....
sarbat da bhala sochan wala.
inna naam kamaya par fer ve down to earth. ithey mara jiha kamm tur pave kise da jade ee MAIN wad jaande aa bande wich
sadly, i fallin the same category.
main ve pray karda SACHE WAHEGURU kol ve mainu ve koi sidhe rah paave...
Rolly
lolz
religion is something that keeps you together .. dharma what we say
wht peepz today confuse with religion is communities (communities based on various ways of belieiving and worshipping god)
this is the source of all problems like religious dangas, religious non-tolerance, misinterpretation of jehad etc etc
thawass my view .. no offences to any1
wht peepz today confuse with religion is communities (communities based on various ways of belieiving and worshipping god)
this is the source of all problems like religious dangas, religious non-tolerance, misinterpretation of jehad etc etc
thawass my view .. no offences to any1
