Sikhs: do you believe in caste system

[MitaAnarkali]

Re: ~#~Being Sikh: do u still blv in caste system>????????

Do I believe in caste system? Absolutely not but we see it all the time and everyday in our lifes whether we want to believe it or not! Our Gurus and even other religions have preached that no one is inferior to you, but why do people still not practice what they preach? No one can say they are pure because everyone makes mistakes but we all learn from them, its in human nature. Even the purest of them all are not pure but God has blessed them with serenity as he has all of us. I still don't understand why people think they should get more privileges just because of their skin colour, who they are, etc and maybe I'll never understand why but I truly believe that we are all equal in reality as we are in God's eyes!

 

[Ramta]

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pps309,

WE all make statements like how different Sikhism is in terms of monotheism and caste. Obviously, none here seem to have the wherewithal to grasp the passage on Niraakaar Nirankaar Parmeshwar, so I'll let it pass. But, don't talk to me of any casteless society in India -- where even Muslims and Christians demand reservations for their OBCs. One of the greatest modern Sikh leaders, Master Tara Singh, petitioned the GoI to provide special benefits to Harijan Sikhs! He was also one of the founding members of the VHP! Why didn't anyone challenge Tara Singh's demand vis-a-vis Harijan Sikhs? What's a Khatri, Jat, Shimbae, Ramgarhia, Kumiar...? What's written in scriptures, isn't what Indian society follows -- so cut the crap.

The plague of discrimation afflicts all us Punjabis but in particualt NRI Sikhs who often believe in the most appalling prejudices about Hindus and beleive themselves to be a genetically, racially, historicaly and dharmically superior to the Hindus and are know for having gone so far as to compare DNA strands but later retracted.

These same NRI Sikh then smugly criticise Hindus for inequality whilst preaching to us about the egalitarian and freedom loving basis of Sikhism.

Thanks

 

[pps309]

Re: ~#~Being Sikh: do u still blv in caste system>????????

pps309,

WE all make statements like how different Sikhism is in terms of monotheism and caste. Obviously, none here seem to have the wherewithal to grasp the passage on Niraakaar Nirankaar Parmeshwar, so I'll let it pass. But, don't talk to me of any casteless society in India -- where even Muslims and Christians demand reservations for their OBCs. One of the greatest modern Sikh leaders, Master Tara Singh, petitioned the GoI to provide special benefits to Harijan Sikhs! He was also one of the founding members of the VHP! Why didn't anyone challenge Tara Singh's demand vis-a-vis Harijan Sikhs? What's a Khatri, Jat, Shimbae, Ramgarhia, Kumiar...? What's written in scriptures, isn't what Indian society follows -- so cut the crap.

The plague of discrimation afflicts all us Punjabis but in particualt NRI Sikhs who often believe in the most appalling prejudices about Hindus and beleive themselves to be a genetically, racially, historicaly and dharmically superior to the Hindus and are know for having gone so far as to compare DNA strands but later retracted.

These same NRI Sikh then smugly criticise Hindus for inequality whilst preaching to us about the egalitarian and freedom loving basis of Sikhism.

Thanks

In this thread a question was asked : Baing a sikh do you believe in caste system.
My answer to that question was "No".

To your post I can say that Yes it is not right to belive in caste system.
Need is to educate the people to come out of caste system. There is no need to blame or change the religion.

My name is Parminder Pal Singh. My name do not reflect any casteism.
Not only me our full family uses only Singh and Kaur as sur-name.

One interesting thing...Jad main tere waang monna hunda si (My dad is also amritdhari)..oss time main bhi apni ids te kitte kitte likhan painda di jattpunjabi te blah blah........Par hun mainu pata ke muho bol ke dasan di lor nahi........MITRAN DI TA PAGG HI DASDI AA KE MR. SINGH AA RAHE AAN,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,buraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[SHauKeeN GaBRu]

Re: ~#~Being Sikh: do u still blv in caste system>????????

In this thread a question was asked : Baing a sikh do you believe in caste system.
My answer to that question was "No".

To your post I can say that Yes it is not right to belive in caste system.
Need is to educate the people to come out of caste system. There is no need to blame or change the religion.

My name is Parminder Pal Singh. My name do not reflect any casteism.
Not only me our full family uses only Singh and Kaur as sur-name.

One interesting thing...Jad main tere waang monna hunda si (My dad is also amritdhari)..oss time main bhi apni ids te kitte kitte likhan painda di jattpunjabi te blah blah........Par hun mainu pata ke muho bol ke dasan di lor nahi........MITRAN DI TA PAGG HI DASDI AA KE MR. SINGH AA RAHE AAN,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,buraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

keep it up broooooooo.......Bole Sonihal....Satsriakal

 

[pps309]

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keep it up broooooooo.......Bole Sonihal....Satsriakal

SAT SRI AKAL.............

 

[Gabru_Gulab_Varga]

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Eh jataan pataan emi nahi baniya! Kise siyaane ne bohat soch samaj ke banayian hun. Mein nahi kuch kehnda, tuhadi life experience dasoungi, ke jo marji hove…aakhir bande apni jaat dekhali jande apni soch, veechar, kam-kar athe lachna tu. Hence, no matter what the cast system is here to stay!

 

[pps309]

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Eh jataan pataan emi nahi baniya! Kise siyaane ne bohat soch samaj ke banayian hun. Mein nahi kuch kehnda, tuhadi life experience dasoungi, ke jo marji hove…aakhir bande apni jaat dekhali jande apni soch, veechar, kam-kar athe lachna tu. Hence, no matter what the cast system is here to stay!

I do not agree you....

Jatt dhoka dende main dekhe........
Bhappe badnam hunde apniya hi cousins sheran lai, main ta hun jattan de munde bi ehi kamm karde dekhe....
pandit sharaba peen lag jaan ta oh pandit nahi rehnde......
je koi chura ya chamar bank ch manager hunda osss time ucchi jaat paat wale nu caste nahi yaad aaundi...ohdo ta sir sir keh ke kamm kadaoun di gal hundi aa..........

nature ya behavior person to person depend karda.

 

[~J@TT~]

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JAati.... jo... kabi nahi jaati

true or not..
neither i know nor i care...

 

[Panjaban]

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Jaat paat vich yakeen karna apne hatth di gall ni haigi. Assi saare kahi taa jaande haa k "Nai main ni yakeen karda" "assi human beings haa" par soch ke dekho, jado viaah karwaun di vaari aundi ki tusi aidda ni sochde "oh meri caste da hai ke nai?" Jyaada kujh ni khendi main bass ikko gall te ah k rukk jaandi haan ke DUNIYAA DAARI lai yakeen karna painda, nomatter what ur heart says, at some point in your life, you want to consider caste system, especially jado kisse naal koi rishta jorrna hunda (viaah da) u wanna know "Saade parwaara da mell haiga ke nai?" Eh mera opinion hai, meri soch hai...cud be very different from yours.
peace!

 

[Ravan]

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i don't care,

te koi v eh sawal mere toon ne puchyaa,
coz. sare mainu sanki samjde ne

main kise naal v sidhi gal ne karda, te jo ek vaare bol dita oh hi sach hay, bhave proof karn lien aapne jaan kyon na dene pave,

 

[Gabru_Gulab_Varga]

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Bohat vadiya sum up kita 5jaban ji. Mein apni upar likhi post vich vi viah bare hi soch reha si. Ve ki ik jatt apni dhi kise neeme jaat de munde nu deyoga? Nahi. Likhnu tan bohat kuch likh sakda, atte example vi deh sakde tuhadi gall prove karan layi. Par, shahid siaani gall ehi he ke eh gall ithe hi rehan dayiye. Emi kise de dil nu tes paunchoogi

Well written though! I appreciate your opinion.

 

[pps309]

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Jaat paat vich yakeen karna apne hatth di gall ni haigi. Assi saare kahi taa jaande haa k "Nai main ni yakeen karda" "assi human beings haa" par soch ke dekho, jado viaah karwaun di vaari aundi ki tusi aidda ni sochde "oh meri caste da hai ke nai?" Jyaada kujh ni khendi main bass ikko gall te ah k rukk jaandi haan ke DUNIYAA DAARI lai yakeen karna painda, nomatter what ur heart says, at some point in your life, you want to consider caste system, especially jado kisse naal koi rishta jorrna hunda (viaah da) u wanna know "Saade parwaara da mell haiga ke nai?" Eh mera opinion hai, meri soch hai...cud be very different from yours.
peace!

Bahne ajkal ta duniya fer bi sayani ho rahi aa.
I have seen some cases where educated guys/gals prefer for elligible/educated partner then to prefer for same caste.

You can see matrimonial ads asking for GurSikh match......caste no matter. That is what Sikhism is supposed to be. Bit difficult initially but it is good.

This caste system is really a worrying thing. It is too much into every community in India. Atleast Sikhs should have avoided it....sikhi do not support this.

 

[pps309]

Re: ~#~Being Sikh: do u still blv in caste system>????????

Bohat vadiya sum up kita 5jaban ji. Mein apni upar likhi post vich vi viah bare hi soch reha si. Ve ki ik jatt apni dhi kise neeme jaat de munde nu deyoga? Nahi. Likhnu tan bohat kuch likh sakda, atte example vi deh sakde tuhadi gall prove karan layi. Par, shahid siaani gall ehi he ke eh gall ithe hi rehan dayiye. Emi kise de dil nu tes paunchoogi

Well written though! I appreciate your opinion.

veer ji.....koi bhi apni kudi nu khu ch dhakka nahi denda. Har koi dekh samjh ke rishta karda.

Suppose ik kudi aa.....jattan di (cheema).....osne medicine kitti...very beautiful gal.........Jattan de mundya de vathere rishtey aaye.....but koi doctor nahi siga.

Now instead of getting married to a owner of 20-30 acre jatt, she decided to marry her senior doctor who is walia........Initially relatives made a bit fuzz.....what happened finally they are married.....both are of same profession, nature, understand each other and going very well.
Now as they themselves are going very well so there families are also good to each other.

They preferred elligibility over caste.

 

[Panjaban]

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Sahi keha veer, sikhi vich eh sabh kujh nahi ah, caste system vagaira. Par kisse Garanthi/amritdhaari kol ja ke puche leyo, j oh jatt ah he's married to someone of dat caste im sure te agge v je ohna di dhee da viaah hou, he wud choose some1 of dat caste.
Mere lai caste system bass isse situation vich matter karda ah, as a human being, mainu saare ikko jehe lagde ah. Par jidda di apne parents di soch ah, saanu ohna di soch de mutaabik challna painda.

Bahne ajkal ta duniya fer bi sayani ho rahi aa.
I have seen some cases where educated guys/gals prefer for elligible/educated partner then to prefer for same caste.

You can see matrimonial ads asking for GurSikh match......caste no matter. That is what Sikhism is supposed to be. Bit difficult initially but it is good.

This caste system is really a worrying thing. It is too much into every community in India. Atleast Sikhs should have avoided it....sikhi do not support this.

 

[pps309]

Re: ~#~Being Sikh: do u still blv in caste system>????????

Sahi keha veer, sikhi vich eh sabh kujh nahi ah, caste system vagaira. Par kisse Garanthi/amritdhaari kol ja ke puche leyo, j oh jatt ah he's married to someone of dat caste im sure te agge v je ohna di dhee da viaah hou, he wud choose some1 of dat caste.
Mere lai caste system bass isse situation vich matter karda ah, as a human being, mainu saare ikko jehe lagde ah. Par jidda di apne parents di soch ah, saanu ohna di soch de mutaabik challna painda.

chalo je hun thodi nahi chaldi....may be tusi apni next generation nu caste system to dur rakh leyo.
Har change kamm lai kade na kade ta himmat karni paindi aa......

Koi na bahne....but I feel the way aj kal di duiya chal rahi aa......ateast educated lok shettin hi casteism to bahar aa jaan ge ...hope so _/\_

 

[Gabru_Gulab_Varga]

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veer ji.....koi bhi apni kudi nu khu ch dhakka nahi denda. Har koi dekh samjh ke rishta karda.

Suppose ik kudi aa.....jattan di (cheema).....osne medicine kitti...very beautiful gal.........Jattan de mundya de vathere rishtey aaye.....but koi doctor nahi siga.

Now instead of getting married to a owner of 20-30 acre jatt, she decided to marry her senior doctor who is walia........Initially relatives made a bit fuzz.....what happened finally they are married.....both are of same profession, nature, understand each other and going very well.
Now as they themselves are going very well so there families are also good to each other.

They preferred elligibility over caste.

Mind na kari yaara, bas veechaar hi kar reha han. Ki paisa hi sab kuch hai doctorani layi? Doctor kyun chahida ohnu, ki as baki de jatt actuaries, engineers, lawyers, etc ohde layi kaafi nayi aa? Fer ki hoya, je munda jameendar hai? Kuri nu apni baradri vich ik nek khyaalan ate soch samaj vala munda prefer karna chahida. Is vich mapeya di vi khush hundi. Hence, why I lean towards arrange marriages than love marriages.

Bai, gall nu na vadauda hoya...je tan meri dhee hundi tan eit vang pakka si ke oh jatt nali hi mein viyouni si. Bande di nature jadi emiyat rakhdi hai mere layi paiseyan nalo.

Post 46 check kar layi!

 

[pps309]

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Mind na kari yaara, bas veechaar hi kar reha han. Ki paisa hi sab kuch hai doctorani layi? Doctor kyun chahida ohnu, ki as baki de jatt actuaries, engineers, lawyers, etc ohde layi kaafi nayi aa? Fer ki hoya, je munda jameendar hai? Kuri nu apni baradri vich ik nek khyaalan ate soch samaj vala munda prefer karna chahida. Is vich mapeya di vi khush hundi. Hence, why I lean towards arrange marriages than love marriages.

Bai, gall nu na vadauda hoya...je tan meri dhee hundi tan eit vang pakka si ke oh jatt nali hi mein viyouni si. Bande di nature jadi emiyat rakhdi hai mere layi paiseyan nalo.

Post 46 check kar layi!

Na veere teri gal nahi mind karda.....
tusi injh kyun sochde ohne paise lai doctor naal vyah karaya.......30 acre aala jameendar koi nanga.....22 ji aj de jamane ch ludhiane warge area ch 30-40 acre je kisse te hisse aaunde hon....loki imported car dehaj den nu tyar firde aa.
main thing is osne sochya ke oh te osda husband dovein iko profession de hoke katthe koi kaa kaaj tor sakde aa..........osne profession ya parai nu jada ehmiyat ditti as compared to caste.

te rahi gal teri dhee di .....teri ki 22 dhee ta sab di sanjhi hundi. Main taa ehi kahunga ke osdi raji khusi naal tori osnu....ohne bi agge saari jindagi kadni aa. Out of religion shayad main bi na pasand kara......

 

[Gabru_Gulab_Varga]

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Yaar, pahela apaan viah tan karaliye...bacheya di tension aaj tu 25-30 saalan tak lavenge!

 

[Panjaban]

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chalo je hun thodi nahi chaldi....may be tusi apni next generation nu caste system to dur rakh leyo.
Har change kamm lai kade na kade ta himmat karni paindi aa......

Koi na bahne....but I feel the way aj kal di duiya chal rahi aa......ateast educated lok shettin hi casteism to bahar aa jaan ge ...hope so _/\_

Meri taa koshish rahu ke agli generation apne punjabi sabheyachaar naal joorri rahe, te apne ton vaddeya da aadar maan karan, jidda hun assi kar rahe haa. Je ajj eh meri soch hai, eh mere ghardeya di soch karke hai, te aggli generation di soch v ohna de ghardeya karke hee hou gi jidda di v hou gi. Matlab eh, ke je meri soch hai caste system vich yakeen karan di, its obvious ke ohna di soch v meri soch naal milldi julldi hougi.
Par veer saareya di apni apni soch hundi, saanu bass salaah deni chahidi ah, mannani ja na mannani aggle te shadd deo... saanu bass apni soch duniya de moore rakhni chahidi change will happen if necessary.

 

[SHauKeeN GaBRu]

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main te kade nahi socheya caste baare....bas aehi sochdaan tht I'm Sikh first, assi te kadi surname hi nahi use kitta, sirf SINGH kehlona pasand karde haan