Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale

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~~~Shergill Jamsheria~~~

Jarnail Singh Brar, popularly known as Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, or simply Bhindranwale






In the early 1980s, Bhindranwale led an armed movement for Sikh autonomy and died during an army offensive (nicknamed Operation Blue Star) on the Darbar Sahib complex (also known as the Golden Temple complex).

Not many people can claim to be neutral about Bhindranwale. To his admirers, he was above all a man of his word, a rare quality among politicians.1 To his detractors, he mostly represented the 'paranoia' and 'dangerously intolerant quality of orthodox Sikhs.'2

After Operation Bluestar, Harchand Singh Longowal, perhaps the most respected moderate Sikh leader of recent years, is said to have done a volte-face and revised his opinion of Bhindranwale overnight from 'scoundrel' to 'saint.'3

Dipankar Gupta, one of India's premier sociologists, once offered the following explanation, 'That Bhindranwale is near canonisation in the minds of many Sikhs today is because Bhindranwale's blood mingled with the blood of at least 400 pilgrims who died during Bluestar.'4

The fiery preacher, equally controversial in life and death, left behind several myths about himself, some made popular by well-wishers, others by detractors. The following is a countdown of the top five most enduring of the Bhindranwale fables.

Myth #5: Bhindranwale Survived Operation Bluestar and Is Alive and Well

Damdami Taksal is the influential religious school, once located in the village Bhinder5, where Bhindranwale was initially a student and eventually jathedar (head priest). The seminary's current jathedar, Thakur Singh, has continued to maintain that Bhindranwale is still alive.6

According to Lt. Gen. Kuldip Singh Brar, who commanded Operation Bluestar, '[the bodies] of Bhindranwale and Shahbeg were identified by a number of agencies including the police, the I.B. [Intelligence Bureau] and militants in our custody.'7 Bhindranwale's brother is also reported to have identified Bhindranwale's body.8 Pictures of what appears to be Bhindranwale's body have been published in at least two widely circulated books.9,10

Whereas there can be little doubt that Bhindranwale is no more, the circumstances of his final moments remain shrouded in mystery. The New York Times reported three distinct versions of Bhindranwale's death.

Veteran B.B.C. correspondent Mark Tully relates an incident during Bhindranwale's funeral. Captain Bhardwaj 'on lifting the sheet to make sure it was Bhindranwale [asked] the police why the Sant's [Sant is an honorific title analogous to Saint] body was so badly battered.' A police officer replied, 'The extremists broke his bones.'11

At the other end of the spectrum lies Dilbir Singh's account. Dilbir Singh was 'Public Relations Advisor at Guru Nanak Dev University for seven years [and] was with the Sant constantly from 1978 until the last week of his life.' He was also 'at that time a correspondent of the Tribune and formerly of the Patriot.' He stated, 'In the fight Bhindranwale was injured on the right side of his temple. A government doctor verified he was captured alive. He was tortured to death.'12

R.K. Bajaj, a correspondent for Surya magazine, is said to have confirmed that 'he had personally seen a photograph of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale in army custody.'13

Myth #4: Bhindranwale Was a Man of Religion Without Political Ambition

Bhindranwale made repeated claims to the effect that he had no interest in political power, 'If I ever become president of the Akali Dal or the S.G.P.C. [Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee], an M.L.A., a government minister, or a member of parliament . . . I shall deserve a shoe-beating by you.'14,15

In contrast, we have the following examples of Bhindranwale's abundant political aspirations year after year:


  • During the S.G.P.C. elections of 1979, 'Of the forty candidates Bhindranwale put up [for a total of 140 seats], all but four were defeated.'16
  • 'For all his protestations that he was not a politician, Bhindranwale campaigned actively for the Congress in three constituencies' during the 1980 general elections.17
  • During the 1981 elections to the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (D.S.G.P.C.), 'in an attempt to divide Akali votes, the Congress (I) had asked the A.I.S.S.F. [All India Sikh Students Federation] to put up candidates for the Delhi gurdwaras whose campaign was led by Sant Bhindranwale. No A.I.S.S.F. candidate won.'18
  • At one point in 1983, the Talwandi-Tohra faction of the Akali Dal got a section of the S.G.P.C. to recommend Bhindranwale for the position of jathedar of the Akal Takht.19
  • According to India Today, in the months leading up to Operation Bluestar about a third of Longowal's S.G.P.C. members and district Akali Dal presidents had 'defected' to Bhindranwale.20
  • The Darbar Sahib's Public Relations Officer (P.R.O.) Narinderjit Singh Nanda recalled, 'Bhindranwale told me that within thirty days he was taking over the S.G.P.C.'21
However, given his poor record in electoral politics and a disinclination to play by the rules, he had little incentive to seek formal political office. He was already 'the uncrowned emperor.'22 As articulated by Time magazine, 'Bhindranwale had become so popular he had usurped the Akalis' authority.'23 He wielded more informal power than all of Punjab's formal political players combined and liked the idea of 'keeping all factions chasing his favor [whereby] no faction made a move in Punjab without considering the response it would draw from Bhindranwale.'24

Bhindranwale operated 'from inside a whale,'25 seemingly without concern for other points of view. 'In this independence lay much of Bhindranwale's appeal.'26 Yet, the same aloofness also represented his most significant weakness: a failure to participate in the democratic process.


'Villagers came to him with their problems, Bhindranwale pronounced judgments and called frightened policemen on the telephone to instruct them on how a matter was to be settled.'27


Subhash Kirpekar was 'perhaps the last journalist to meet the lion in his den.' During the interview Bhindranwale responded thus to a question on succession planning, 'It is not an elective post. I think whosoever attains the status of God will come up as my successor.'28


Myth #3: Bhindranwale Did Not Demand Khalistan

In the absence of a universally accepted definition of the term 'Khalistan,' the usage here is consistent with its origin wherein Dr. Vir Singh Bhatti envisioned it in 1940 as a 'theocratic' monarchy, which would by definition be inconsistent with the Indian Constitution.29


Bhindranwale's standard response to the question of Khalistan, an independent Sikh state, was noncommittal: 'we are not in favor of Khalistan nor are we against it.'30 He often also clarified that if Khalistan came about, 'We won't reject it. We shall not repeat the mistake of 1947.'31 To that he added, 'if the Indian Government invaded the Darbar Sahib complex, the foundation for an independent Sikh state will have been laid.'32


The book Fighting for Faith and Nation: Dialogues with Sikh Militants by Cynthia Keppley Mahmood has received wide acceptance among radical Sikhs. In the book, Harpal Singh recalls a meeting with Bhindranwale during which the preacher remarked, 'staying in India would mean the genocide of the Sikhs.'33 The implication that anything short of a separate state would spell eventual disaster for the Sikhs amounted to an implicit vote for Khalistan. On other occasions Bhindranwale was more explicit, 'Frankly, I don't think the Sikhs can live with or within India.'34


The Dal Khalsa, responsible for hoisting a Khalistan flag at a Sikh convention on March 20, 1982 at Anandpur Sahib, were seen forming a protective ring around Bhindranwale when, in 1981, he was holding the police at bay at Chowk Mehta in an attempt to avoid arrest.35 Although 'Bhindranwale was never openly associated with the Dal Khalsa,' most observers regarded it as 'Bhindranwale's party.'36


In early 1983, India's intelligence is said to have obtained a copy of a letter from Bhindranwale to Jagjit Singh Chauhan in which he promised full support for Khalistan.37


Finally, while we're on the subject, we might as well also cover one other related myth, i.e. that Khalistan has never had any substantial support amongst Sikhs in India. In an interview with B.B.C. correspondent Mark Tully just days before his death, S.G.P.C. President Gurcharan Singh Tohra answered a question about his personal views on Khalistan by admitting that 'some personal desires are better kept hidden.'38 According to Ved Marwah, a former senior police officer on Indira Gandhi's 'select committee for monitoring Punjab affairs,' a majority of the Sikhs supported separatism in the wake of Operation Bluestar.39 In a recent interview,40 Lt. Gen. Kuldip Singh Brar estimated that if Khalistan had been declared prior to Operation Bluestar, 'a large section of the Punjab police might have crossed over to support Bhindranwale.'


Overly optimistic claims by pro-India commentators that the Sikhs have 'moved on' are consistently belied by informed parties who note, '[Operation Bluestar] has not been forgotten, and you [the visitor] will find many people in Amritsar keen to explain the Sikh side of the story.'41


Myth #2: Only a Tiny Minority of Sikhs Revere Bhindranwale as a Martyr


In Khushwant Singh's words, '[Operation Bluestar] gave the movement for Khalistan its first martyr in Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale.'42


In 1985, Harkishan Singh Surjeet had optimistically announced that Bhindranwale's martyr status would only be 'temporary.'43


However, on this day last year, Joginder Singh Vedanti, the jathedar of the Akal Takht, an approximate Sikh counterpart to the Vatican, formally declared Bhindranwale a 'martyr' and awarded his son, Ishar Singh, a siropa (robe of honor).44 The function was organized by the S.G.P.C., 'a sort of parliament of the Sikhs.'45


The Encyclopedia of Sikhism, edited by Harbans Singh, a widely respected scholar of Sikh studies, describes Bhindranwale as 'a phenomenal figure of modern Sikhism.'46


Bhindranwale's posters and speeches are among the 'most popular' items at Punjab's rural fairs, held on occasions such as the Hola Mohalla festival.47


Gurtej Singh Brar, a former I.A.S. officer and S.G.P.C. National Professor of Sikhism, was suspended from the I.A.S. for making the following statement: 'The Sikh nation theory has been current among the Sikhs since the time of Guru Nanak. There should be others like Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale to lead the Sikhs and take up their cause of righteousness and truth.'48


Several North American gurdwaras prominently display Bhindranwale's pictures at entrances and in langar (community kitchen) halls. This writer has personally witnessed the phenomenon at gurdwaras in Detroit, Michigan and Toronto, Ontario (see picture).


In the words of Vir Sanghvi, one of India's leading political commentators, '[Bhindranwale] remains a martyr in the eyes of many Sikhs. Even today, rare is the Sikh politician who will dare to call him what he was: a fanatic and a murderer.'49


Myth #1: Bhindranwale Was Not a Terrorist

In 1985, Citizens for Democracy (C.F.D.), founded by Jayaprakash Narayan and chaired by the noted civil libertarian Justice V.M. Tarkunde, produced a report on the Punjab crisis. The report, banned in India because of its strong indictment of the state, has received wide acceptance within the diaspora Sikh community despite its acknowledgement of 'Bhindranwale's role in inciting violence.'50


Violent thoughts seemed second nature to Bhindranwale. He often made extremely cruel remarks with utmost sincerity, 'If a true Sikh drinks, he should be burnt alive.'51 Tavleen Singh discovered that in Bhindranwale's darbar (court), 'concepts like non-violence were mocked and sneering remarks made about Gandhi.'52 Perhaps Khushwant Singh said it best, 'He well understood that hate was a stronger passion than love.'53


Although the 'mad monk'54 was politically astute enough to recant vicious statements made in the heat of the moment, it is instructive to note just how bellicose he was when aroused.

  • Harmit Singh Batra was in the Darbar Sahib complex on April 13, 1978 and quotes Bhindranwale, 'We will not allow this Nirankari convention to take place. We are going to march there and cut them to pieces!'55
  • Following the clash with the Nirankaris on April 13, 1978, the 'Sant' and his cohorts were always armed. Bhindranwale often publicly recited his mantra, 'being armed, there is no sin greater than not seeking justice.'56 And they perceived plenty of injustice all around, which they rectified with the use of illegal force.
  • After the assassination of the Nirankari leader Gurbachan Singh on April 24, 1980, Bhindranwale is universally acknowledged to have remarked that if he ever met Ranjit Singh, the suspected killer, he would weigh him in gold (i.e. reward him with his weight in gold).57
  • On October 22, 1982, Bhindranwale made a public statement threatening the 'political and physical end' of anyone who didn't press for the full implementation of the Anandpur Sahib Resolution.58
  • On August 17, 1983, Bhindranwale asked Sikh youth to buy a motorcycle and a revolver and threatened to kill 5,000 Hindus in an hour if the police delayed the minibus he had sent to fetch Amrik Singh who had just been released from police custody.59
  • During a speech on September 20, 1983, Bhindranwale stated clearly that he would 'embrace' Sikhs who exacted revenge upon those who were guilty of torturing, killing, or humiliating Sikhs. He said, 'Getting away from there is your job, protecting you here [in the Darbar Sahib complex] is mine.'60
  • On November 17, 1983, Bhindranwale bluntly demanded 'that all Hindus should leave Punjab.'61
  • During a public speech delivered on May 24, 1984 at the Darbar Sahib complex, Bhindranwale openly admitted his complicity in the gruesome beheading of Surinder Singh Chinda for his role in the elimination of Bhindranwale's leading hit man, Surinder Singh Sodhi.62
Even Bhindranwale's staunchest supporters only go as far as stating, 'Bhindranwale consistently opposed violence against any innocent person.'63 The autocratic Bhindranwale had assumed singular jurisdiction over the guilt and innocence of a good portion of India's citizens. And to him lethal violence was a justified means of punishment for those whom he considered culpable. He was the legislature, executive and judiciary all rolled into one with complete disregard for the democratic concept of the separation of powers. The result was nothing short of 'ethnic cleansing.'64

Dilbir Singh (see above) related the following account of how masterfully Bhindranwale ordered the killing of Lala Jagat Narain, proprietor-editor of the Hind Samachar group of newspapers:

  • And in one edition Lala had written in an editorial comment that Taura [Tohra, then president of the S.G.P.C.] and Ajnoha [then jathedar of the Akal Takht] are traitors. On that day in a great fury he [Bhindranwale] called upon someone to read aloud what Lala had said. There was quiet. 'Our turban has been torn from our heads,' he proclaimed. Then one of his followers asked, 'What are your orders?' Again in anger, he said 'Orders, you need orders! What orders? Are you blind?' Now you see he did not say anything. And they said it. 'O.K.' meaning thereby, we'll finish this man. So, then, 3-4 days later, Lala was coming from Ludhiana and they fired upon him.65
According to Chand Joshi, a veteran correspondent for The Hindustan Times, 'In the Nirankari Baba murder case, for instance, the C.B.I. claimed to have pin-pointed four suspects including Jarnail Singh Brar alias Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. The arrest warrants had been given to the Punjab police but were not served because of 'orders from the highest quarters.' '66

It is worth noting, 'The decision to release Bhindranwale was taken by the [Indira Gandhi and Zail Singh] government. It was not the verdict of a court.'67


Finally, it is impossible to accept that the people closest to Bhindranwale could consistently perpetrate monstrous violence without his endorsement.

  • Nachhatar Singh, arrested by the police for the murder of Lala Jagat Narain, is said to have fingered Bhindranwale for ordering the killing.68
  • The hijackers of an Indian Airlines plane on September 20, 1981 claimed to be members of the Dal Khalsa and demanded the release of Bhindranwale, who had been arrested in connection with the murder of Lala Jagat Narain.69 In a speech, Bhindranwale 'praised his young lieutenants' for the hijacking.70
  • On July 18, 1982, a police party from the Beas Thana in Amritsar district stopped a jeep. Most of the occupants were residents of Bhindranwale's gurdwara Gurdarshan Parkash at Chowk Mehta. They attacked the police and were arrested. No case was initiated.71
  • The next day, Amrik Singh, Bhindranwale's most trusted lieutenant, and six close associates of Bhindranwale, including Bhindranwale's personal driver Kulwant Singh, were arrested for an attempt on the life of Joginder Singh Sandhu, the Nirankari Mandal's propaganda secretary.72
Concluding Remarks

In closing, here is a sampling of additional points to ponder:

Whereas 'nobody was ever refused an interview,'73 he refused to surrender to anyone but sufficiently orthodox Sikh policemen.74
While he professed the highest standards of Sikhism, he practiced gender discrimination.75
Although he viewed modernity as evil, he had no compunctions about using modern firearms.
Whereas many Sikhs regard him as a 'messiah,'76 his 1984 prophecy failed to materialize: 'In the next ten years Sikhs will get their liberation. This will definitely happen.'77 Bhindranwale might well be the most polarizing figure in Sikh history. This essay acknowledges his numerous advocates but makes no apologies for expounding on the preacher's flaws. To the extent that the Sikhs revere him as a prophet and a martyr, his contradictions are likely to be emblematic of the paradoxes that inflict the Sikh community as whole. To grapple with Bhindranwale's inconsistencies is to critically evaluate the state of Sikhism today.

Surain Singh Dhanoa was the senior-most bureaucrat in Punjab during the years immediately following Operation Bluestar.78 His viewpoint is representative of the denial that causes many in India to place responsibility for Operation Bluestar squarely at Bhindranwale's doorstep. According to Dhanoa, 'There would have been no Operation Bluestar [if] Bhindranwale had moved out of the Golden Temple complex.'79


However, Dhanoa and others fail to acknowledge New Delhi's primary role in the brinkmanship and lost opportunities prior to Operation Bluestar. Instances include the critical roles played by Sanjay Gandhi and Zail Singh of the ruling Congress party in 'promoting' Bhindranwale as a counterweight to the Akali Dal,80 the government's failure to arrest Bhindranwale even when he 'openly flouted the law' while touring New Delhi with an entourage 'brandishing illegal arms,'81 and Indira Gandhi's propensity for backing out of agreements (at one point 'three times in six months'82).83


Responsibility for Operation Bluestar and the 'dark decade'84 (mid-1980s to mid-1990s) that followed ought to be apportioned in proportion to the formal political powers and electoral mandates enjoyed by the parties involved: one, the various New Delhi administrations, mostly Congress-led; two, the various governments in Punjab, led by the Akali Dal, Congress, or New Delhi-appointed governors; three, the S.G.P.C.; and four, at the very bottom of the culpability scale, those, such as Bhindranwale, who held informal power only to the extent permitted by the inability and unwillingness of those wielding formal power to solve Punjab's problems.
 

SehaJ

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nice one....:pbbol
 

dashingjatt

sade wangu rakh haunsle
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eh kis kanjar ne likhya.....!! aa kehda jamsheria aa..!!
mainu lagda jamsheria aaap ta kuuch ni janda na ohnu sikh history bare pata..1!
sikh history da matlab sirf 1800 te pehle wali ni..1900 wali history v jisde vich 3 ghalughara matlab Operation Blue star v aunda aa!!
Jamsherie warge pata ni kis kis di likhi kitab padke ja kiteo v net to ool jalool masal chakk ke paste kar dinde aa!! es bande nu pata hi ni ka Bhindrnawale kis shaksiat de maalak c!!

Jo gaal kahi aa ke MYTH: BHindrawale was not a terrosrist..!..k oh kehnde c sharab peen wale nu saad dena chahida..!! oh kehnde c hathyaar rakho...
oh nirankarian de samgam ch hathyar le ke gaye !! es baare main kuch kehna chahunda !!

pehli gal je santa ne kiha k sharaab peen nu saad deyo..ta Guru GObind sangh ji ne 1200 Masand RAm RAi da jinda saad dita c dekhradoon ch...ta ki Guru Gobind Singh ji terrorist c...???? par oh os same di Sarkar de akhan ch sige!!
Je Guru Gobind singh ji ne Hathyar rakhan nu kiha, je Guru ji ne kiha k sikh nu apni rakhya layee hathyar rakhne chahide ta ki oh terrorist c??

jehdi gal Nirankari di aa oph v ida nahi jo jamsheriye ne likhya..!
sant ji Akhand kirtani jathe naal shaant mayee protest karan gaye c...udo Govt Akali dal di c punjab ch..Santa ne Badal nu kiha c K amritsar ch nirankari samellan na hon dita jave.. par badal ne hon dita ..coz shayad ohdi jada lalsa c gadbadi karva vote len di na k santa di!!
Je santa nu pata hunda uthe Nirankarian ne Singha de jathe te halma karna ta sant use wele jawbai hamla kar dine par oh peaceful protest karan gaye c!!

te ik gal hor Nirankarian nu poori support congress di c ta jo sikh kaum nu badnaam te thalle laya jave!!
Jo kita Sant ji ne sab kuch hon to baad kita te Darbaar sahib te halma v Akalian dimilibhugat c jo Santa b uCongress da banda keh ke badnaam karde c!!
Jamsheriye ne likhia ke TOHRA kehnda c apne matkab layee khalistaan nahi lena par sab to jayda Political fyada le nu Eh akali hi agge c na ke SAnt!!
nahi ta koi SENIOR AKALI attack ch marya kyo nahi??????

je sikhi nu bahcuna...sikhan de mare hoye zameer nu jagauna ..punjab nu sharaab di nadi cho kadna hi terrorism hai ta fer ki kiha ja sakhda!!
coz lagda Jamsheria v koi GOVt di likhi kitaab pad ke aya jisnu 1970s te !980 de time te hpye sikhan naal dhakke bare kuch ni pata te bas do chaar article pad ke kiatab padke likh dinde !!
 

shergillsonline

~~~Shergill Jamsheria~~~
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Bhaaven Tainu Laggea Maada Ya Laggea Changga, Mai Keda Apni Sihaai Naal Likhea, Mainu Material labbea Mai Tuhade Saarea Naal Share Karta, Bas Apne Apne Comments Dayijao, Aiven Siyaane Bande Gallan Dil Te Nai Laaounde.....

JEOUNDE RAO, VASSDE RAO SAARE!!!
 

dashingjatt

sade wangu rakh haunsle
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fer je itho utho hi katha kita ta pehla sara pad ke v dekh lya karo!!
sare passe di gal pad k koi natija kadi da a ..aive ni jo miliya chep deyo!!
tere varge hunde kai journalist india ch ..nau sikhiye....jo miliya chak ke chep dita bina pade likhe...baad ch pange paye rehnde!!
 

shergillsonline

~~~Shergill Jamsheria~~~
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Aiven na bauti hawa kari jaa, tu bauta chela aa ta tu v kuch labb k paa de, gaalan kehnia hi soukhia aa, HAR KISE DA APNA VIEW HUNDA TE HAR KISE NU APNA VIEW RAKKHAN DA RAQ HUNDA, tainu bauti chubb gai gall te thannde paani naal jaa k naa lai

Tubauta siaayna samjda te tu kuch kar k vakha de kaum lai.
 
Re: ++ Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and 5 Myths About Him ++ Must Read

yaar mainu lagda aapan noo ihe jehi sensitive discussions nahi karnia chahidian..........jo hona si ho gaya shado hun.........ki sahi hai ki jhooth hai ih parmatma noo pata hai...........enjoy
 

shergillsonline

~~~Shergill Jamsheria~~~
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yaar mainu lagda aapan noo ihe jehi sensitive discussions nahi karnia chahidian..........jo hona si ho gaya shado hun.........ki sahi hai ki jhooth hai ih parmatma noo pata hai...........enjoy

BILKUL SAI BAI TERI GAL, JINE BANDE ONE VICHAR
 

Jeet4560

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BAI jistrain ke tusi kiha sab de apne vichar hun .............te hur koi apne vichar de sakda aaaa .....

fer mere khal vich anaaa garam hon dee lod nahi VICHAR can be AGAINST or IN FAVOUR of your post .....So instead of being on back foot and trying to pass the buck....you should rather be explaining yourself and should stand on what you said (wrote)........NO IDEA where from!!!!

And if you ask my personally I am against of what you said….. try to get post which we all Punjabi can be proud of and can learn or achieve out of it......OR stand on what you said and be prepared to give some facts WHICH YOU KNOW…….

Bottom line eeho jeha topic nu liauna he nahi chahida or other wise there should be appropriate constructive debate……..
Aiven na bauti hawa kari jaa, tu bauta chela aa ta tu v kuch labb k paa de, gaalan kehnia hi soukhia aa, HAR KISE DA APNA VIEW HUNDA TE HAR KISE NU APNA VIEW RAKKHAN DA RAQ HUNDA, tainu bauti chubb gai gall te thannde paani naal jaa k naa lai

Tubauta siaayna samjda te tu kuch kar k vakha de kaum lai.
 

Jeet4560

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AGREEEEEED be +ve think +ve :)
yaar mainu lagda aapan noo ihe jehi sensitive discussions nahi karnia chahidian..........jo hona si ho gaya shado hun.........ki sahi hai ki jhooth hai ih parmatma noo pata hai...........enjoy
 

shergillsonline

~~~Shergill Jamsheria~~~
Re: ++ Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and 5 Myths About Him ++ Must Read

BAI jistrain ke tusi kiha sab de apne vichar hun .............te hur koi apne vichar de sakda aaaa .....

fer mere khal vich anaaa garam hon dee lod nahi VICHAR can be AGAINST or IN FAVOUR of your post .....So instead of being on back foot and trying to pass the buck....you should rather be explaining yourself and should stand on what you said (wrote)........NO IDEA where from!!!!

And if you ask my personally I am against of what you said….. try to get post which we all Punjabi can be proud of and can learn or achieve out of it......OR stand on what you said and be prepared to give some facts WHICH YOU KNOW…….

Bottom line eeho jeha topic nu liauna he nahi chahida or other wise there should be appropriate constructive debate……..

Bai eh mere koi personel likhe lekh ta hai nai, eh ta kuch senstive material c jo maini net te milea te mai soche shayad apne bharavan naal sanjha kariye...one shud be sound k ona de religion baare ki ki chiza likhia jaa raiyan ne mai ta sirf ik namuna pesh kita.
 

Jeet4560

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I never said that you have posted unappropriated post…..just a suggestion that try to post constructive post. Other major factor of our conflict is that sade naaal bahut takaaa hoya 84 vich and any thing against our methodology (Bhindrawalain) seems to be our enemy or …….
Bai eh mere koi personel likhe lekh ta hai nai, eh ta kuch senstive material c jo maini net te milea te mai soche shayad apne bharavan naal sanjha kariye...one shud be sound k ona de religion baare ki ki chiza likhia jaa raiyan ne mai ta sirf ik namuna pesh kita.
 

itsjatt

~~K@ROR@$!NGH!Y@~~
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Mereyo Phraavo

koi ni das sakda kaun sahi aa kaun galat, kamjor bande bahaduri nu murakhta te anakh nu pagalpan da naa dinde ne

Guru ne keha "Paapi Ke Maar'ne Ko, Paap Mahabali Hai"

Hakk lain lai tegan khadak diyan hi ne, te ankhee lok sir te boj lai ke nahi jee sakde.
Bas phir Bhindranwale jamde ne

Sevak Singh likhda :- "Baneya Itihaas Guwaah Saada, Bas Ahiyo Yaar Gunaah Saada"

je eh galti aa te eh galti Guru'an ne vi kiti, 5 piyaareyan ne vi kitti, chotte sahibzadeyan ne vi kiti, banda singh bahadur ne vi kitti te pata ni hor kinneyan ne karni aa

bas gal aankh te naa aave
te naa sadi koi pagg nu haath paave
 

Ramta

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Bhindranwalle was a product of Damdami Taksal. We first need to understand the genesis of Neo-Sikhism. It was not born in traditional Sikh seminaries. It was developed by the intellecuals of Singh Sabha (read "Singh Safa") under the tutelage of men like Bhai Vir Singh, Kahan Singh Nabha and McAullife. It took time to trickle down into Sikh masses, despite the nearabout total control of Sikh public intitutions by Singh Safa trained Neo-Sikh parrots.

Bhindranwalle , as such , was not product of any intellectual movement. He studied under Kartar Singh Bhindranwalle at Damdami Taksal. Now Damadami Taksal had been only touched on the surface by "Singh Safa" rhetoric. Their theology largely came from traditional Sikh sources. This is one of the reasons they continue to be believe in the aunthenticy of Sri Dasam Granth, despite Singh Safa's maximum effort to throw it out of the Sikh canon.

If you listen to Bhindranwalle's pre-1982 religious sermons, they were more in line with Damadami Taksal theology. He developed the notions of 'separateness' only when he came out of the Taksal. If you listen to his commentary on Dasam Granth, he heavilily relies on Hindu sources to explain the events described therein.

Who corrupted Bhindranwalle then?

An interesting character that Naipaul once profiled was Gurtej Singh, a former IAS. He calls himself National Professor of Sikhism and was the main person who had instigated a village simpleton like Bhindranwalle into becoming a poisnous snake.

He lives in Chandigarh and is now associated with Gurbax Singh Kalafghana who teaches a version of Sikhism which looks more like Wahabi Islam.

Bhindranwalle's interpretation of Sikhism was surprisingly very close to Hinduism. He could not explain complex theological points without refering to Hindu scriptures. He believed in the authenticity of Dasam Granth as work of 10th Master. At times he also talked about Guruji being a Yogi in past life.

It is Gurtej Singh who poisoned his mind with a concocted theology of his own derived from Christian and Islamic sources.


Now we need to know something about Gurtej Singh too. He is an ex-IAS officer who was mentored by Sardar Kapur Singh . Kapur Singh had his own vendettas to settle with the central government as he had been dismissed on corruption charges. He spent most of his life in bitterness using Sikhs issues as camouflage to get even with the government. He is the famous author of Anandpur Sahab resolution. That resolution is largely the work of Kapur Singh's angry pen.

Although, Kapur Singh was a political seperatist, he was not a separatist in theological sense as he continued to believe in Dasam Granth and he often quoted from Upanishads, though he had almost insane hatred for Brahmins. Gurtej Singh who was mentored by Kapur Singh turned out to be even bigger seperatists. He not only propagated political seperatism, he also cooked up a new version of Sikhism largely predicated on the lines of Islam. Naipaul has exposed him well in his book. At present Gurtej Singh is at a state where even Kapur Singh would have disowned him. He is the prime supporter of Gurbax Singh Kala Afghana who has been excomminicated by Akal Takth. Kala Afghana not only questiions the authenticity of Dasam Granth, he also attacks many of the established Sikh rituals like Amrit Sanchar as "Bipran Ki Reet".

Now why so much fuss about an ex-IAS officer and an ex-"National Professor of Sikhism" called Gurtej Singh when we are talking about Bhindranwalle?

It is because he is the guy who had been in regular touch with Bhindranwalle when he had occupied Akal Takth. He was brainwashing him with an exotic Neo-Sikh seperatist theology. Coming under his influence Bindranwalle started contradicting himself on many points of theology.

Even in Naipual's book Gurtej recollects that he often had theological debates with Bhindranwalle in which the latter always relied on Hindu sources to state his points whereas he (Gurtej) would correct him through his modern viewpoints (read "Neo-Sikh" rhetoric).

So Bhindranwalle was quite an impressionable man who allowed his charisma and ambition to be abused by wily theologians and politically ambitious ex-bureaucrats like Gurtej Singh and Kapur Singh, etc.


V.S. Naipaul, in his recent book, India: A Million Mutinies Now, provides some intimate glimpses into the minds of some of the actors in the Punjab tragedy. He tells us of an interview which he heard on the British Radio and which Bhindranwalle had given from the premises of the Golden Temple undergoing fortification just before the Blue Star Operation: in this interview, Bhindranwalle had said that Sikhism “was a revealed religion; and the Sikhs were people of the Book.” Naipaul says that he was “struck then by the attempt to equate Sikhism with Christianity; to separate it from its speculative Hindu aspects, even from its guiding idea of salvation as union with God and freedom from transmigration.” But at that time, he thought that it was merely “an attempt, by a man intellectually far away, to make his cause more acceptable to his foreign interviewer.” He did not realize that the attempt to give a Semitic rendering to their religions is an old one and is not limited to Sikhism alone, nor to men “intellectually far away.” It has very much to do with the circumstances in which the world came to be dominated by people of Semitic religions. During this period, monolatry, prophetism, revelation - concepts of little spiritual validity or worth - acquired a great political clout and social prestige and these began to be adopted by many subject people. They wanted their religions to look like the Semitic ones with a single God, a Revelation, a Prophet or Saviour, and a single Church or Ummah.

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Re: ++ Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and 5 Myths About Him ++ Must Read

I don't know the motive of this article or anything.. but for me he was a martyr.. and there are many facts which if produced in true light can show how great he was....

We need a leader like him, so that sikhism can be saved from what is going on today...!!!

& by the way all he said was that LIVE LIKE A KING AND DONT LIVE WITHOUT LOOSING YOUR SELF ESTEEM... if this is wrong, then he was a terrorist, if not then he was a saint soldier, a true son of Guru Gobind Singh ji.
 

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full taur,


I don't know the motive of this article or anything.. but for me he was a martyr.. and there are many facts which if produced in true light can show how great he was....

& by the way all he said was that LIVE LIKE A KING AND DONT LIVE WITHOUT LOOSING YOUR SELF ESTEEM... if this is wrong, then he was a terrorist, if not then he was a saint soldier, a true son of Guru Gobind Singh ji.




King Bhinderanwalle was misusing the sanctuary of the Golden Temple. He could have been, and should have been, routed out much earlier and in a far simpler operation. Ma Indira was badly advised at the time and she paid for it with her life. But where were defenders of their faith like yourself when King Bhindaranwale and his gun-toting goons were fortifying the innermost sanctums of this holy shrine and defiling Guru Nanak’s message of peace and harmony ??

He not only matched but actually beat the earlier "so-called-clergy-sons-of-Guru-Gobind-Singh", led by Arur Singh, of the Golden Temple, who had honoured the massacring Gen Dyer by declaring him a Sikh, on condition that he renounce one cigarette a year.......

And what on earth was he doing inside the Akal-Takht in the middle of the night when Cap. Kuldeep Singh Brar's boys pumped bullets into him ??

Talk of Kuldeep Singh Brar reminds me of a funny thing and the funny thing is that Bhindrawalle was also a Brar. Brar vs Brar anyone ??

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Kunwar :-)

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Ma indira..My foot..

HE was a real siNgh..i also agree vith full taur !
 
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I dunno... he might've been a terrorist but in my view, killing "Ma Indira" (totally wrong word to use) was not a bad thing at all. >d :salut
 
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