Radha Swami Satsang Beas Expose: Business Dealings

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I feel the need to explain why I think it's worthwhile to put this material up for public viewing.

Basically, I believe that it's desirable to freely share ideas and information so long as the privacy of individuals isn't infringed upon, and what's being shared isn't libelous.
Neither seems to be the case here.

This material apparently was on the Internet for a while, then removed. Once public, always public... that's the rule in this age of Google caches and file copying.
Naturally I can't vouch for the truthfulness of what "Waking Now" relates. However, it has enough of a ring of truth to be believable. If anyone wants to challenge the accuracy of Waking Now's allegations, they're free to comment away.

Lastly (before getting to Chapter 1), I feel that it's healthy to remind ourselves that perfection isn't a quality found in either organizations or individuals -- assuming it's even possible to operationally define what this word means.
Some RSSB devotees are going to feel that it's wrong to post any sort of criticism of this group. They consider that because the organization is led by a "perfect guru," then everything RSSB does must be above reproach.
This is a fundamentalist religious attitude, no different from that of Muslims who say "no cartoons can be published of Prophet Muhammad!" or of the medieval Catholic church, which punished heretics who dared question the holy faith.

Radha Soami Satsang Beas claims to be a spiritual science. Science progresses by testing hypotheses, examining all of the data related to a problem, disseminating research results and discussing them openly.
So here's some information about RSSB. Consider it; ignore it. Your choice.
 

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22 g je tusi ehnu thora jea punjabi ch likhde ta jeada wadiya huna c..thoria jaiya gala pale paiye nd thoria jaiya odai sir de upr d lang gaiya..
:)
 

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Chapter 1 of RSSB expose: business dealings

I came in contact with RSS Beas as a teenager 50 years ago, slid into the cult in the early fifties, became a functionary, and officially left in the early nineties.

Since leaving I am learning to live by my own light. I have delved into the roots of the spiritual traditions of my Indian culture by readings and pilgrimages and have understood the working of the RSS Beas feudal religious cult within which I was caught for a very long time. This reminds me of the Sawan Singh quote: ‘Santmat is not taught, it is caught’, I would say, ‘Santmat is not taught, the Satsangi is caught’.

I have decided to post here in the hope that I might shine more helpful light.


Real RSSB-A Look

I met him at his Sawan Sadan flat in Bandra, Bommbay.
“Meet me before you return”, He had phoned.

“I will meet you but there are some conditions”, I said.

First condition is that I will meet you at the nearby park.
The second condition is that you will shave and take a bath and wear clean clothes.

“I am sorry I cannot meet your first condition”, he said. “I have remained in my room for so long that I no longer have strength in my legs to walk up to the park, but I will meet your second condition. I will shave and get ready”.

“All right”, I said.

He had met me some days earlier at the place where I was staying and I was shocked to see an unkempt haggard person, enter the room instead of the handsome personable man I had known.

“What’s the matter”, I asked.

“It is my fate”, he said, “My fate was made before I was born so what can I do”.

But I don’t believe in Karma and fate any more.

What, you don’t believe in Karma, you, a great Satsangi? (Mr. Babani’s quote)

No, I don’t believe in anything anymore. I just pay attention to my life. (Waking Now)

We had some tea and refreshments and did some small talk during which he would interject, “It’s my fate”.

Later, I spoke to his relatives and they said that he is getting close to 70, maybe, he is getting Alzheimer’s.

On further inquiry, I found that sometime back he had been intensely pressured to go to the Dera at Beas (“We will carry you if you don’t go”, the Official had said) to meet Baba Ji [my insert-Gurinder] to settle an old lingering dispute over his flat. He had gone to the Dera with his nephew, whose parents had lived with his Uncle, a single person, [my insert-Mr. Babani is the uncle] for the last over 35 years.

At the appointed hour, they entered the gates of the Residence where Audiences are given.

Inside, off the main path, is a Gazebo set in the garden, where people with appointments wait until they are called.

When the Uncle and nephew reached the Gazebo, they found two Dera lawyers also waiting there.

One of them told the Uncle, “You have to sign some papers before you can have Audience with Baba Ji”.

What papers?

“You have to cancel the papers saying that after your death your flat goes to your brother and after his death, to his son, your nephew, and instead you have to Will your flat to the Dera”.

The Uncle was in shock. He had flown two thousand miles for this meeting where he was expecting Grace and a just resolution of the dispute with the Dera.

He hesitated, and then said, “All right, I will sign whatever you want”.

So they brought the papers before him. He cancelled earlier entries and willed the flat to the Dera.

He was then asked to proceed for the Audience.

Both he and his nephew stepped into the room. Baba Ji was waiting together with the Bombay Secretary.

Baba Ji asked the nephew to wait outside.

Inside, Baba Ji patted the Uncle on the back and said, “Satsangis should not file a case against the Gurughar (the house of the Guru)”.

The nephew was called in. He had witnessed what had gone on outside at the Gazebo, so when he met Baba Ji he said “What will happen to my parents after my Uncle is gone”

Baba Ji replied, “We won’t take the flat while your parents are alive”.

Than you, Baba Ji..

I asked the nephew, an established businessman and a Bombay sewadar, after he recounted this [corruption in transcript-remainder of sentence lost].

Will.

“What could I do”, he said, “it is my Uncle’s Will, so his own business”.

I then asked whether Baba Ji had given in writing that he would let his parents stay in the flat after his Uncle’s death.

No, he said.

I then said that if it was Baba Ji’s intention to let your parents stay after your Uncle died, why would He force your Uncle to change the Will.

To that he had no answer.

He told me that sometime after returning from the visit to the Dera (‘Heaven on Earth’ it is called) the Uncle had refused to leave his room and started behaving abnormally.

I said it seemed to me that changing his Will under pressure at the Dera had caused deep depression.

The origin of the dispute with the Dera goes back some forty years to Charan Singh’s reign. When land was purchased in Bandra Bombay for a Satsang hall, Maharaj Ji (Charan Singh) had inquired from the Bombay Secretary of the time, a very successful Builder, whether Dera could get the adjoining empty plot.

“Yes Maharaji Ji, it belongs to me and you can have it”.

Shortly afterwards, there was discussion about developing the property with Maharaj Ji.

A mixed-use development was proposed. Maharaj Ji wanted the ground floor to be planned for offices and halls, and flats to be in the two upper floors, “But will the satsangis buy flats in the building”, he had asked…

Yes, Maharaj Ji, I have two brothers who are thinking of moving from their location and they will buy flats.

“All right then”, said Maharaj Ji

So the project was begun. The availability of the flats for purchase was announced at Satsang. Eight flats were available, four on the first floor and four on the second. Buyers came and as is the Bombay custom, installment payments began. The four flats on the second floor were made into two sets.

One set was purchased by the brother of the Secretary with a large family, and the other by another Satsangi family. On the first floor, two flats were kept for the use of Dera dignitaries (Gurinder has stayed in one of them while having a job in Bombay), one was bought by the Secretary’s brother, who was single by staying with his mother and brother’s family, and the last by another satsangi family.

After the flats were completed and the papers signed and the monies paid, the families started living there.

Some years later, the older brother with the large family had a stroke and was paralyzed.

Since the Sawan Sadan building had no lift (elevator), it became very difficult for his family members to carry him down two flights of steps. So the family decided to sell their flat and move to another in a building with a lift. They found a buyer and as is normal for people living in flats in Bombay, sought permission of their Housing Cooperative Society (because flats in buildings are bought cooperatively and the building maintained by its registered Society) which in the case was the Dera (RSSB).

To their surprise, Dera said, No, you can’t sell the flat to a non satsangi.

So they thought, as a family member told me last year, Dera is a religious society so they do not want meat eaters and alcohol drinkers.

So then they arranged to sell or trade the flat with a Satsangi who was living in a building with a lift and again asked the Dera, their housing society, for approval.

No, the Dera said, you can’t do that; we must first approve the Satsangi buyer.

They were dismayed and sought an explanation.

“You can’t sell your flat”.

‘The flat belongs to us, you are not Owners of the flat, you are only Occupants. The price you paid for the flat was not the purchase price but was to be treated as a deposit.”

The Satsangi owners were in disbelief. The found themselves in a strange predicament unheard of among flat owners in Bombay. They spoke to the Bombay Secretary, the Builder. Two of his blood brothers (not just satsangi brothers), had bought flats.

From family sources, I learnt that the Secretary discussed the situation with Maharaj Ji (Charan Singh). He told Maharaj Ji, “When the Satsangi had bought the flats, it was not so that they were to be Occupants and the purchase price was to be a Deposit.”

Maharaj Ji was unmoved.

(It did not matter that the Satsangi owners felt misled or misinformed and their equity (life savings) in a flat in Bombay was at stake. Or even that the devoted Satsangis, dependent for protection of their worldly as well as spiritual well-being on their Guru, could have made an honest mistake.)

‘No.”, Maharaj Ji said, “The Dera model must be followed. The Dera owns the property.”

The Secretary wilted, he could not stand up to Maharaj Ji. (He could not go against the RS teaching, the obedience to the Guru is paramount.)

A family member recalled to me last year. The Secretary came back from the meeting with Maharaj Ji and told his brother Satsangi owners, “Donate your flat to the Dera, you will get 10 times in return”.

The flat owners did not agree. It was a question of their life savings. One of the ladies of the family recalled the event and commented, “Donation is by choice, it is not forced”. Another lady said, “We were a large family, we saved with great difficulty to buy the flat.” One said, “It was not the Secretary who was being skinned”.

Instead, the Satsangi owners banded together and hired a lawyer.

The extended family of the Secretary was split. “Why had the brothers living in the flats disobeyed Maharaj Ji”. The brothers no longer had good relationships. This attitude even extended to their children, the cousins-one set looking down upon the other. Even in 2001 when I met some of them, there was alienation.

The Dera threatened one of the Owners who also had a house at the Dera, “Withdraw your suit or we will take away your Dera house”.

The suit was not withdrawn. The Dera house was forcibly taken away.

The Dera then started other intimidation tactics. A board was erected in front of the property saying that it belonged to the Dera and no one could engage in buying or selling the flats.

A Bombay RSSB committee member was chosen to front litigation. As a family member recalled, He told Baba Ji, “I am a Bombay flat owner…I know they have rights, how can I be a party to the case”.

“Do it,” Baba Ji said, “I am behind you”.

He submitted that and complied.

The paralyzed brother had died. Fortunately, his children had prospered in their business and constructed a house elsewhere.

The Dera then started tackling each owner separately. They persuaded the wealthy family to give up their double flat now worth nearly seventy times the original price, and promised them a flat at the Dera. The family did not want any more hassles and were wealthy enough to afford to donate it. The other owners pleaded with them, “You will break our band, and weaken our litigation, don’t settle”. They decided otherwise.

The other brother was forced to will his flat to the Dera.

The remaining owners until last month were still in litigation. Dera is trying other settlement tactics with them.

Last year, I asked a Bombay RSSB Committee member what he thought of the Sawan Sadan Satsangi flats case.

“Dera is wrong there”.

‘Then what did you do about it”.

“I expressed this opinion at a Board meeting.”

“That’s all”.

Silence ensued.
The old Bombay Secretary [Mr. Babani-my insert], a giant of man in business and organization skills and a famous Satsang orator, an RSSB pillar, known to many Westerners who attended Maharaj Ji’s programs in Bombay and saw him on Foreign tours, died last year, a mentally weakened man.

His son said he had Alzheimers but I found that while his recall was not good, some of his remarks were very intelligent. He was kept away from the ordinary Satsangis because he spoke things about RSSB, the management did not want ordinary Satsangis to hear. He had become critical of the RSSB.

He told me, “Now, Dera is making a fool of me. I will show them”.

I said, “I have left the Institution, you can do the same”.

“No”, he said, “it was easy for you, it is very difficult for me”.


Some time before he died, a Dera Lawyer come and got an affidavit from him to say that he never announced in Satsang (40 years ago) that the Sawan Sadan flats were for sale. The lawyer then took the piece of paper to the brother living in one of the flats and said, “Look, you have no case”. [my insert-I was informed this was not the only false affidavit that Gurinder extracted from Mr. Babini later on his deathbed].

Ironically, his school teacher, Parmanand, who had introduced him to RS when the Bombay Secretary was a young man, during his last years, verbally abused RS. At the time I heard of a Satsangi saying that Parmanand had lost his mind.

I went up the cracked stairs of the Sawan Sadan building which seemed in disrepair. The steps were very high, because the height of the ground floor had been raised to accommodate the offices and halls, but the treads remained the same width and the number of steps had remained the same.

I entered his room. He was sitting by the edge of the bed, shaved and showered and wearing clean clothes. At his bedside table were photographs of Maharaj Ji, one, an early Bombay photograph, in which he was also present.

“How are you”, I asked.

“How can I be”, he said, “my fate was formed before I was born and I am old now”.

“Forget about all this fate business and enjoy everyday of your life”.

I sat and he called for tea and we talked.

I said, “Forget about all this satsang and meditation business, just do what pleases you”.

“Can you meet me again in the evening?”

“Yes, if you come to the house before we leave for the airport”.

As it happened, he could not come and we bid goodbye on the phone.
 

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Unknown here-this is the end of this tale and chapter. As we shall see in further accounts, these illustrated RSSB Dera’s ethics and coercive techniques to part Indian satsangis with their estates and inheritances are standard operation. I am once again struck by how disposable people are treated, no matter how much they have sacrificed and produced for the organization. Many senior sewadars are lulled into thinking that after producing a great deal for the cult, even neglecting their family and personal life in the process, they will always be secure with the respect of seniority and recognition within the organization even when they can no longer produce at a high level. Tsk, tsk, ultimately the cult is always about ‘what have you done for me lately’
 

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22 g je tusi ehnu thora jea punjabi ch likhde ta jeada wadiya huna c..thoria jaiya gala pale paiye nd thoria jaiya odai sir de upr d lang gaiya..
:)
This is all copy-paste if some-one is interested can read it or just ignore it.
 

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Chapter 2: RSSB Business Practices

A look into the Beas Dera Culture
By Waking Now

I wish to recount an experience for you.

A long time resident of the Dera died last Summer.

She was an Army Officer’s Widow and had no children. She lived in a house across the Grounds from the Western Guest House and was friendly to some Westerners.

A few years ago, out of the blue, she told me:

“You know, I could be a very rich woman”.

“What do you mean”, I asked.

She said “Many years ago, Maharaj Ji (Charan Singh) asked me to Will my property to the Dera”. (She had a house which she and her late husband built in the Defense Colony, a good locality of New Delhi.)

She said, I protested and said, “Maharaj Ji, I am still very young”. He disregarded my protest and continued, “and your Will should be witnessed by (naming a Dera inner circle person of the time)”.

(She did as she was asked to do, and remained a privileged inner circle woman during most of Maharaj Ji’s reign. She told a friend of an occasion when Maharaj Ji told her, “You are spending too much money on yourself, remember it belongs to Dera”.)

She continued:

“When my relatives find out, they will be very unhappy”.

“Why don’t you change your Will”, I said.

“How can I do that, I gave my property to Maharaj Ji”, she said.

Her Will is likely probated by now.

The woman was very dissatisfied in her last years. Believing the teaching that ‘All Gurus are One’ she had expected that the Successor would respect the privileged position given her by her own Guru [my insert-recurring theme ‘what have you done for me lately’]

“Where can I go now in old age”, she said to a friend.

Can her relatives make a claim that she wrote the Will under extraordinary pressure from the Godman at whose pleasure everyone lives in sight at Dera?

Some of you may guess who I am. Please use my Yahoo ID in your responses.

Thank you.

(responding to question about previous post)
After learning of the Lady being pressured to Will her property to the Dera, I spoke to a friend of hers. She told me that she had also heard of this from the Lady.

She said there were two opinions about what Maharaj Ji (Charan Singh) had done.

One, that He had sanctified her husband’s wealth by asking for it and had saved her from going astray in life considering that she was a vivacious and wealthy widow who could have many suitors.

And the other, that he had wanted to clip her wings and pin her down to the Dera so she could add her charm to an inner circle who met him for light entertaining chats.
 

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This is all copy-paste if some-one is interested can read it or just ignore it.
nah g ignore kahnu krna........me ohh sab kuj pardi c ta ki mere kuj pale pave..ignore krn lai thora na pardi c......:p
 

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lol..:lol aho majh walea angreji..
 
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This is all copy-paste if some-one is interested can read it or just ignore it.

Its not like that anybody can curse a faith and just write u can ignore it if u dont like. And there is no authenticity provided. It could be an imaginaton fiction work like most of the erotic stories. that s totally ir rational and ir responsible. We should be neutral about other people faiths or deras or panths etc , everybody is to decide themself.

And if u really list a valid points how deras and such sects harm you personally, culturally or in any way, that would be appreciated, I have never seen a dera or talked to a dera follower, niether i have ever talked much to a sikh yet. So I am really curious, Help me.
 

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I have to agree with piper, If you want others to respect your beliefs you must respect theirs.
PPS you too could have ignored what bulleshah was copy/pasting !!
 

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Its not like that anybody can curse a faith and just write u can ignore it if u dont like. And there is no authenticity provided. It could be an imaginaton fiction work like most of the erotic stories. that s totally ir rational and ir responsible. We should be neutral about other people faiths or deras or panths etc , everybody is to decide themself.

And if u really list a valid points how deras and such sects harm you personally, culturally or in any way, that would be appreciated, I have never seen a dera or talked to a dera follower, niether i have ever talked much to a sikh yet. So I am really curious, Help me.
This video is a talk between Kanwarpal Singh, Tarlochan Singh and Ashutosh Chela is present.

Ashutosh Chela claims that they don't speak against Sikhism. Chela totally denied that. Chela says that Ashutosh is a Das. He denied that he is not mis-interpreting the Gurbani.

Here is the Ashutosh Chela spewing Venom against Sikh's concept of Khalsa and misinterpreting the dohra of Ardas. He clearly states that they used Gurbani in their satsangs (so they end up mis-interpreting it). He clearly project ashutosh as SatGuru (not Das).


I don't mind what you say or think coz you guys are not in politics, you don't mean any harm to anyone. It is the hidden agenda of some political parties who are hell bent on saffronizing the nationalism.
These deras play in the hands of those political parties.

If nationalism is saffornized then only one party and one religion will survive in this country. But India is not property of one religion, although we are minority but we have dedicated more lives than anyother community for freedom of India.
Only difference is that they are saffornizing it very diplomatically and politically and we are bunch of stupid who due to lack of political power are not able to stop them.
 

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Its not like that anybody can curse a faith and just write u can ignore it if u dont like. And there is no authenticity provided. It could be an imaginaton fiction work like most of the erotic stories. that s totally ir rational and ir responsible. We should be neutral about other people faiths or deras or panths etc , everybody is to decide themself.
What have you done in the cases where I have provided authentic information regarding 1984 Sikh Massacre (CCN IBN7 recordings, 1984 Sikh Kristallanch documentary and many other news articles I shared on this forum)??

Tell me honestly Does you ever stand and said that yes it was a massacre and justice is denied even after 25 years????? I have never seen you taking stand on this matter at this forum.

Ik matter te thode kol posts karan da time hunda te dujje passe jitthe authenticity te proof naal laake post karidi aa otthe tusi jhakde v nahi.....ohdo thoda siddhant kitthe chalya jaanda?
 

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These postings of RADHA SWAMI DERA are not baseless. I have a printed news, with pictures and everything. I already shared in my other thread and told if anyone wants I am ready to share or else buy "Khalsa Fatehnama" October 2009 edition.
After reading that news, I tend to believe that even these storied could be true.
 
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the old and famous unp war of the words has been ignited.

mitti paao chetti
 

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thanks veere

pehli gal ih thread band houga kio k admin v is website nu controversial nahi bnaona chahunde.....
 

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What have you done in the cases where I have provided authentic information regarding 1984 Sikh Massacre (CCN IBN7 recordings, 1984 Sikh Kristallanch documentary and many other news articles I shared on this forum)??

Tell me honestly Does you ever stand and said that yes it was a massacre and justice is denied even after 25 years????? I have never seen you taking stand on this matter at this forum.

Ik matter te thode kol posts karan da time hunda te dujje passe jitthe authenticity te proof naal laake post karidi aa otthe tusi jhakde v nahi.....ohdo thoda siddhant kitthe chalya jaanda?

veer jado lokka di gairat mar jandi aa oh banda kakh da nahi hunda ........jado abdaali hindu ladies nu chuk lai janda c ta ohna kol chudvaun di gairat ni hundi c te babe nanak de singh ee chuda k lai k aunde c
 

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Its not like that anybody can curse a faith and just write u can ignore it if u dont like. And there is no authenticity provided. It could be an imaginaton fiction work like most of the erotic stories. that s totally ir rational and ir responsible. We should be neutral about other people faiths or deras or panths etc , everybody is to decide themself.

And if u really list a valid points how deras and such sects harm you personally, culturally or in any way, that would be appreciated, I have never seen a dera or talked to a dera follower, niether i have ever talked much to a sikh yet. So I am really curious, Help me.
ajja veerea tenu mai samjhaona:-

pehli gal ih dere wale punjab ch ee kio paida hunde aa, kio k punjab de lok well setteled aa te punjab de lokka kol lutavun laye bhut paisa aa..... so ih babe mere punjab nu luttan te kuttan vaste 1st place te rakhde aa..


duji gall punjab bhute lokk anpad te bhole aa te apni problems nu solve karan vaste ihna babea de jaal vich fas jande aa....kio k sadi state de deaprtments da beda garak ho chukkea...koi health facility ni koi v government di aid changi tra kam nahi kar rahi......so kise gareeb de juvak nu chad da ta bukhar hunda aa te ohnu doctor kol lai k jaan de tha ohnu babea kol lai k tur painde aa....kio k change doctor nu paise den laye ohna nu kaye dina di mihnet karni pau....

sade political leaders da v beda garak aa......ih saare babe ihna ne hi paida keete hoye, kio k ihna kol devlopement de naam te vote mangan koi v point ni haiga, so ihna babea raahi votta pvaonde aa..........eg: Sirse walea ne congress nu votes payia te congress ne ohna favour v keeti...........fer Badal ne badla lain laye main stream sikhs te dera followers vichaale dange v karvaye.... on th end , in last election fer badal naal agreement ho gea..........khas kar k bathinde seat te

ih derea de lafange sade gurus di baani nu galat interpret karde aaa, ohde galat meaning kadh de aa, Rab da naam vechan laye ihna ne agencies kholia hoyia

fer news tusi sunea honna k , back rooms ch ih babe kimme ayashi karde aa, kio k ihna laye ih dere sirf business na k lokka de bhale laye.. kade sunea k dere wale gareeba nu free education dinde aa, kapde dinde aa ja fer kise helpless di help karde aa....mai ta sunea ni

Points ta hazara ne par time ni haiga.........veer sara punjab mera ghar vangu aa and ik gal dasso jihde ghar ch chor baithe hon oh chup kar k kimme beh jau.....par sade ghar de kuch lok v ihna naal mile hoye aa...so apne ghar de lokka nu samjhaon di kosish aa k sade bapu babe nanak ne ihna thagga to bachan laye kiha c par sade lok ihna thagga nu ghar vich paali jande aa
 

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Ahh kuch v ik dere kar k hi hoya

fer kehnde sikh attwaadi ban de aa , pehla video dekho fer comment kareo



Yaar dasso inni cruel police hou kise v des ja state di............ih hazara munde maar k haale v nahi rajje

ik din pehla Bhaiya( biharis) ne inna khurduru paya k odo ta ik goli ni c challi ?
why?...........can someone answer
 
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What have you done in the cases where I have provided authentic information regarding 1984 Sikh Massacre (CCN IBN7 recordings, 1984 Sikh Kristallanch documentary and many other news articles I shared on this forum)??

Tell me honestly Does you ever stand and said that yes it was a massacre and justice is denied even after 25 years????? I have never seen you taking stand on this matter at this forum.

Ik matter te thode kol posts karan da time hunda te dujje passe jitthe authenticity te proof naal laake post karidi aa otthe tusi jhakde v nahi.....ohdo thoda siddhant kitthe chalya jaanda?

Well bro, I need not specify to you again that we are grownups and anything that anti social elements do in name of religions is far far far distant then the relations of real people. If you say 1984, I can also remember a cousin of my dad was shooted in a bus where whole bus was shooted by terrorists, should i hate that specific community for that now? that s not me being if i try to be rational and responsible.

Its out of my mind that we are here only talking about faiths, So if u dont have your facts about my initiated quastion, its a problem u just tell me u dont have any facts. And i strongly believe we must not curse a faith where people's heart are attached.

And yes, Justice has been denied, not only denied, I have no words to say how shameful its to call us indians.
 
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