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Shantnu There are two types of sounds (dialogues) - inner and outer. The outer dialogue is stilled by mind and the inner one is vanquished by wisdom. As you know, each element has its material as well as subtle form. Sound too has, Nature, as its material form (body) and space as its subtle aspect. You also known man have all the five elements of which nature is composed of. As such, he is the true replica of nature. His physical body is the synthetic form of nature and has all the qualities and faculties found in the material aspect of the nature. Similarly, the subtle aspect of the body - the mind, is the exact counterpart of space, the subtle aspects of nature. The body and senses, like any material object of nature, create audible/inaudible sounds, which are subsequently merged in the mind and the atmosphere. The mind and the atmosphere give an eerie feeling of qualitative silence, as both of them contain not only the sounds of our planets but the latent sounds of the cosmos. As the atmosphere absorbs the sounds of earth, mind possesses the sounds of all the objects conceived and perceived by our senses. The way all the audible sounds of earth are absorbed in the qualitative silence of its atmosphere, which is its subtle form too, the human mind also absorbs the sounds created by its body and senses. As the atmosphere is subtle than earth and space is subtle than atmosphere, similarly mind is the subtle aspect of body (senses) and intelligence is subtle aspects of mind.
Plainly speaking, before attempting inner-stillness, we should endeavor for the stillness of our mind. That is only possible if we can silence, both the dialogues - outer as well as inner. Both are inspired by the mind (unto its intelligence level) the sphere of our intelligence is the total material aspect of nature, their subtle (bodies) also subsume in it and as a result the contents of outer - inner dialogue is always ephemeral phenomenal world.
Student You mean, so long we are in the grip of the material world, our conscious would reach (reveal) up to the intelligence level only and as a result, the subject matter of our dialogues whether outer or inner, would always remain worldly-related, that is, relating to the phenomenal world. Thus, the changing aspects of the ephemeral-world go on changing the quality of the sounds (dialogues); starting from the grosser-level sounds of the body and senses, these elevate to the level of mind and intelligence. In other words, it (sound) progresses from the body-senses-mind to thought level where it exists in its purest essence, the purest intelligence that sustains this universe, but not the Reality? Isn't it so Dada?

Shantnu Precisely my dears, the knowledge of the phenomenon world is contained in the Universal-Intelligence, which exists in the roaming cosmos, in the shape of dancing-particles, which in turn are conscious and their consciousness extends to each other and in their compressed forms, is hidden the purest essence of the sounds of creations. And that sound (intelligence) is conscious too. The intelligence in us, in its purest state is the purest-essence of our gross as well as subtle bodies (senses and mind) is also conscious and is linked to the Universal Intelligence of which we are obviously a part.
Student Dada, according to you, the basis of our intelligence is the sound, which contains in itself both the sounds (outer-inner).
Shantnu Actually, both are one. The outer is the projection of the inner.
Student Or the inner is the subtle aspect of the outer (ephemeral-word).
Shantnu In due course, we shall come to know that the outer is the reflection of the inner-sound. And when the outer one is silenced, only the inner sound remains which is the original.
Student Dada, how we shall be able to obliterate their distinction of outer and inner and shall experience only one sound (dialogue) which you say is the original.
Shantnu When we understand the source of the outer-dialogue is the ephemeral-material-world and the source of inner dialogue is the Reality.
Student Dada, you mean, the final stilling of the outer-dialogue is the beginning stage of understanding the inner-dialogue.
Shantnu There is distinction of outer-inner sounds only unto the level of intelligence but as soon as we start the process of self-enquiry by applying the faculty of discrimination, the resultant elevation would stop the exercise of futile dialogues and in their place, would be implanted the germs (thoughts) of wisdom.
Student But self-enquiry needs the application of dialogue?
 

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Shantnu When we shift our intelligence into logic we definitely need the help of inner dialogue. But the moment we transform our logic into practical way of life, it becomes wisdom and at that level we no more require the assistance of outer dialogue or its inner-counterpart.
Student What is the difference between the inner-counterpart (of outer) and inner dialogue?
Shantnu The inner counterpart of outer dialogue is the faculty of data processing better known as the reasoning quality whereas inner dialogue represents the subtle aspect of wisdom.
Student Wisdom too has a subtle aspect?
Shantnu Yes. And that is Bliss.
Student Dada, before coming to bliss - level, let us understand about the present subject of inquiry. You had talked about the stillness states of body, senses, mind and intelligence, what are they (stillness) and how these are acquired?
Shantnu Stillness is the subtle state of the gross-consciousness to which the conscious now identifies. When we identify with the mind, our body or senses are automatically still (-ed). That is when we understand the real motivator of the body-senses complex, is the mind, the pre-eminence of the senses over the body, is waned and mind becomes the master.
Student You mean, when mind is activated, senses are stilled and when intelligence is awakened, mind also is stilled (or understood).
Shantnu Exactly
Student Then what is the role of the outer-inner dialogue?
Shantnu The medium of interaction amongst mind-intelligence-wisdom
Student Dada, what is that?
Shantnu That, which interweave pleasure-joy-bliss...
Student Dada, what is that?
Shantnu Music, my dear, music.
Student And, Dada, what is music
Shantnu Sound: the ever-pervading sound that permeates the animate as well as the inanimate.
Student What is the nature of that sound?
Shantnu Music.
-Student Pray, tell us, what is music?
Shantnu The echoes and vibrations emitting of that sound are the music that thrills Nature with joy.
Now we come to the original query; does sound exist without words and pictures?
Student There is another one too; after silence does sound exist?
Shantnu Both are inter-related. In both the cases, the answer is yes and this answer is qualitative?
Student How Dada?
Shantnu Earth's atmosphere, like mind appears silent but you know both are full of gorses-conscious, which in turn is composed of sounds and pictures. But beyond the atmosphere, is the space, which is silent.
Student Dada, this silence too is deceptive as sound, images of earth and far-off galaxies pass through it. So it too is not silent.
Shantnu The very basis of this ephemeral world is 'activity'. And where there is activity, sounds and images exist. But as we go deep in the vacuums of space, this quality gets finer and finer (subtle). Similarly is the case with our mind. As our consciousness elevates itself to intelligence level, sounds and images, become clear but in another form.
Student Dada, what is that form?
Shantnu Thoughts, my dear.
Student You mean sounds and images are in real sense the thoughts
Shantnu Not only that, the very origin of the thoughts is from sound
Student How so Dada, please explain?
Shantnu In our memory cells, knowledge is stored in the form of vibrations, pulses. These vibrations contain sounds and pictures of our memories. Similarly, it is via sound waves we communicate with other places or planets. Through these sound-waves or light beams, we receive data of other planets. We come to know about the quality of existence of planets, stars, comets, pulses, quasars etc. from the vibrations they emit via sound, ultra sound waves, light beams, gamma" waves, ultra violet rays, or many other waves/beams about whose existence we are unaware so far. These vibrations are, the emissions of the moving objects in space and their reflections - atmosphere. The cosmos and the vast space, in which they move, are constantly engaged in activity. So is engaged the vast expanse of space as the particles which abound the visibly vacuum space, are ever engaged in eternal dance. These sounds originating from the moving mass of the ephemeral world are contained in these dancing-particles. Obviously, their exact reflections too are stored in these tiny particles.

Student This also means the secret of the source of each and every moving cosmos is held in the sounds, emitted at the time of their creation. Therefore, unless we are able to decode these sounds, we can not know about their origin. But this poses a problem; there are stars, even in our galaxy, whose light beams have not reached our planet so far, what to talk of other galaxies! We have to know (decode) the original sound, created at the time of the creation of Nature, the first sound emitted at the time of creation of our phenomenal world. But that sound we may not hear in near future. Dada, there must be some way out or we shall always be ignorant about our origin.
 

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Shantnu When we shift our intelligence into logic we definitely need the help of inner dialogue. But the moment we transform our logic into practical way of life, it becomes wisdom and at that level we no more require the assistance of outer dialogue or its inner-counterpart.
Student What is the difference between the inner-counterpart (of outer) and inner dialogue?
Shantnu The inner counterpart of outer dialogue is the faculty of data processing better known as the reasoning quality whereas inner dialogue represents the subtle aspect of wisdom.
Student Wisdom too has a subtle aspect?
Shantnu Yes. And that is Bliss.
Student Dada, before coming to bliss - level, let us understand about the present subject of inquiry. You had talked about the stillness states of body, senses, mind and intelligence, what are they (stillness) and how these are acquired?
Shantnu Stillness is the subtle state of the gross-consciousness to which the conscious now identifies. When we identify with the mind, our body or senses are automatically still (-ed). That is when we understand the real motivator of the body-senses complex, is the mind, the pre-eminence of the senses over the body, is waned and mind becomes the master.
Student You mean, when mind is activated, senses are stilled and when intelligence is awakened, mind also is stilled (or understood).
Shantnu Exactly
Student Then what is the role of the outer-inner dialogue?
Shantnu The medium of interaction amongst mind-intelligence-wisdom
Student Dada, what is that?
Shantnu That, which interweave pleasure-joy-bliss...
Student Dada, what is that?
Shantnu Music, my dear, music.
Student And, Dada, what is music
Shantnu Sound: The ever-pervading sound that permeates the animate as well as the inanimate!
Student What is the nature of that sound?
Shantnu Music.
-Student Pray, tell us, what is music?
Shantnu The echoes and vibrations emitting of that sound are the music that thrills Nature with joy.
Now we come to the original query; does sound exist without words and pictures?
Student There is another one too; after silence does sound exist?
Shantnu Both are inter-related. In both the cases, the answer is yes and this answer is qualitative?
Student How Dada?
Shantnu Earth's atmosphere, like mind appears silent but you know both are full of gross-conscious, which in turn is composed of sounds and pictures. But beyond the atmosphere, is the space, which is silent.
Student Dada, this silence too is deceptive as sound, images of earth and far-off galaxies pass through it. So it too is not silent.
Shantnu The very basis of this ephemeral world is 'activity'. And where there is activity, sounds and images exist. But as we go deep in the vacuums of space, this quality gets finer and finer (subtle). Similarly is the case with our mind. As our consciousness elevates itself to intelligence level, sounds and images, become clear but in another form.
Student Dada, what is that form?
Shantnu Thoughts, my dear.
Student You mean sounds and images are in real sense the thoughts
Shantnu Not only that, the very origin of the thoughts is from sound
Student How so Dada, please explain?
Shantnu In our memory cells, knowledge is stored in the form of vibrations, pulses. These vibrations contain sounds and pictures of our memories. Similarly, it is via sound waves we communicate with other places or planets. Through these sound-waves or light beams, we receive data of other planets. We come to know about the quality of existence of planets, stars, comets, pulses, quasars etc. from the vibrations they emit via sound, ultra sound waves, light beams, gamma" waves, ultra violet rays, or many other waves/beams about whose existence we are unaware so far. These vibrations are, the emissions of the moving objects in space and their reflections - atmosphere. The cosmos and the vast space, in which they move, are constantly engaged in activity. So is engaged the vast expanse of space as the particles which abound the visibly vacuum space, are ever engaged in eternal dance. These sounds originating from the moving mass of the ephemeral world are contained in these dancing-particles. Obviously, their exact reflections too are stored in these tiny particles.

Student This also means the secret of the source of each and every moving cosmos is held in the sounds, emitted at the time of their creation. Therefore, unless we are able to decode these sounds, we can not know about their origin. But this poses a problem; there are stars, even in our galaxy, whose light beams have not reached our planet so far, what to talk of other galaxies! We have to know (decode) the original sound, created at the time of the creation of Nature, the first sound emitted at the time of creation of our phenomenal world. But that sound we may not hear in near future. Dada, there must be some way out or we shall always be ignorant about our origin.
 

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Student Dada how is it possible to be aware of the sound contained in the 'dancing-particles' that contain the secrets of our origin?
Shantnu These particles are conscious you know. Link their consciousness with your consciousness and you unravel secrets of origin.
Student That again brings us back to our-self. Dada, it is a journey from the self to Self.
Shantnu Rightly expressed. We can also call it a journey from 'here to here'.
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Shantnu
Today we shall try to know more about the sound.
Student Dada what relation co-exist between sound, form and name?
Shantnu We have already discussed about the 'form' aspect of the sound. Name is basically, the identification, the differentiation amongst the objects in Nature.
Student What is the difference between Name and form?
Shantnu Name is the subtle body of the 'form'.
Student You mean, name exist even before the form!
Shantnu Yes, my dear. First there is the will, then thought (contemplation), conception and thereafter the form.
Student But we name an object only after it is created or born.
Shantnu No it is not like that. Before we implant the seedling we know the names of their forms, as mango-apple etc. Before a child is born we know it would be a human (child) being. The categories of life in nature are in the sequence of improvisation of evolution. Nothing in nature is happening, perchance or in haphazard way. From the design of nature, you would observe that each category of element or atom is linked in a chain. If any link in the chain is broken or damaged, others are affected too. These vast categories of life or elements create sounds. The baser their existence, baser is their sound (vibrations). As the quality of life goes on improving, so does the variation (subtlety) in sounds.
Student Dada, please define these variations?
Shantnu Only human beings have mastered the art of sound - variation and created languages, whereas all other categories of life, like insects, crawlers, and bird’s animals interact with other members of their species, by emitting peculiar sounds, by which they identify themselves and convey their physical wants. These sounds are often given out in the form of vibrations. But remember it is the human race that possesses the faculty, to transmit its thoughts through the medium of language. Man is trying to fathom the minutest variation, intonation in the sound. He not only tries to decipher the voices of atmosphere and the space around him but is also going deeper into his mind - intellect, wisdom, and conscience and is deciphering their voices too. As we undergo through quality-wise transformations, our sounds too go through as many changes. At sensual level, we produce gross-sounds (outer-dialogue); at gross-mind, our accumulated knowledge stored in memory cells in the shape of sound-vibrations, converts itself, into thoughts by the medium of language (outer-language); at intellect level, we contemplate and rationalize, therefore, we create (need) only inner-dialogue. At this stage we don't talk loudly but speak in silence, which is known as inner-dialogue (inner-loud sound). Thereafter the state of Janna (wisdom) where inner-dialogue too vanishes and there remain only the vibrations of silence. So you observe, the outer sounds (outer dialogues) are the creation of the inner sounds (inner dialogue) and these too merge in the silence of wisdom, where the thoughts subsume in vibrations of silence (subtle-sound).
Student Dada, what is the difference between the silent (subtle) sounds contained in a particle and the human cell?
Shantnu There is no material or subtle difference between their form and composition. Both are identical. If we go deeper and deeper, crossing the layers of atmosphere (mind), universe (intellect) and finally reach the fathomless depth of the space (wisdom) there is complete stillness. But the scientific mind knows there is a small mass, moving in the remaining three-fourth vacuum area of the particle. In that mass is the sound of creation. Similarly in the stillness of the human cell, reverberates the finest (subtle) sound which bears no images or forms. These identical sounds found in the depths of a particle and in the images of human cell, vibrate identical subtle sounds, which are identical in nature.
Student Dada, in the stillness of a particle or a human cell, there is sound. It is illogical
 

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Shantnu To the scientific 'eye' or human perception, there is no audible sound in both of them, but the future scientific wisdom eye would 'know' there is an identical sound in them both.
Student Please, what is this sound?
Shantnu It is the sound of creation.
Student You have told us it is contained in the moving mass of the particles, why it moves?
Shantnu It is the activity of creation. Same way in human cell too, the final sound, devoid of its layers of mind and intellect, contains the vibrations of original creation, encircling in its stillness. Because of their moving activity, the particle is called a 'dancing' particle and the human cell is a Nataraja (a dancing entity). The sound of creation in them is devoid of any impurity of atmosphere (mind), therefore, it is in an almost perfect state of bliss. As the very first act of creation was pure, so it was blissful. Whatever was blissful is always eternal, so the inherited-activity of particle and cell is therefore, of the nature of bliss and eternal. The first 'duplicated -activity' of the still-particles and amoebae, was the urge of creation. As any act of nature, creates harmony and balance, so the original activity too was the result of unbounded happiness, joy and bliss.
Student You mean the very act of the creation of this universe was as the result of accumulated joys which when unfurled; there ensued the first act of creation.
Shantnu Presently, we are not discussing about the creation of universe. But what you have observed is quite near to the truth. But that later, now we must confine ourselves to the joyful activity in the particle and the human cells. You see, the end aim of every act of human being or of Nature, are to find joy and peace, which are basically one. In their search, both Nature and humanity create, recreate. This process goes on, but we are nowhere near the aim. Although in our search of joy, we try to find it through the pleasures of the senses, which automatically ensure genetic and material progression. Through our urge of creation, every act brings with itself the fruits of pleasures; we move further on and elevate ourselves from physical pleasures to mental joys. We move from physical creation, an elevation from pleasure to joy. As the ultimate aim of Nature's evolution is towards its completion, so too human destiny-journey is to complete its cycle of evolution and reach perfection. And that perfection lies beyond the realms of joys. The joys of dancing-particles and dancing-cells are not the end product. It is the last step of the ladder to reach the next height of joys, known as Bliss.
Student What state of mind do happiness connote?
Shantnu As body becomes calm after indulging in pleasure acts, mind too becomes still after having exhausted its utility.
Student Does mind ever exhaust itself?
Shantnu When mind is eliminated or when its consciousness evolves around the entire Universe and its awareness is complete, as far as the material world is concerned, it has exhausted its utility and is thus of no significance anymore.
Student Thereafter the state of stillness commences but how we are sure of its elimination?
Shantnu When mind becomes desireless, naturally without thoughts, and then there exists nothing but joy and happiness in its consciousness.
Student Then we must say, consciousness of mind never dies, only thought (of desires) are eliminated.
Therefore the end result is; as the purpose of physical body is, the attainment of pleasure, the culmination of the journey of mind is, joy and happiness.
And, thereafter only stillness reigns.
Shantnu About that we talk later.



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Angelee Today I have come, without the students, because I have some doubts, which need clarification.
Umeshwari Angelee, you have contributed so much in the establishment of our university and even now being its Vice-Chancellor your administrative ability and business acumen, are immensely useful and fructifying. What kind of doubts can you have?
Angelee Didi (sister), I am a case of split personality. Outwardly I perform my duties like a machine but inwardly I am a torn personality which is being driven apart by my mind and conscience!
Shantnu What is the basic difference between the mind and the conscience?
Angelee I only know that conscience is a higher entity to the mind.
Shantnu Right. But there is no such thing known as higher or low, while discussing about the various aspects of mind. Intelligence is the last aspect of mind, whose ultimate function is to tell us the difference between good and bad. As you know our actions produce only good and bad fruits, so our mind (present conscious) is full of the impressions, which it had induced via the senses and its vehicle, the body had fulfilled its dictates by actually translating them into actions. But when we are capable to discriminate between good and bad, then its faculty of intellect is fully activated and we know there is nothing as good and bad, it is only our ignorance that transiently depicts its obverse and reverse sides.
Angelee But when we know the difference between good and bad then automatically its supposedly obverse and reverse sides vanish.
Shantnu Yes. And then, in our mind, only pure intellect reigns. Our conscious at this stage is permeated by intellect only.
Angelee Does the role of intellect confine itself only in the realization of the fruits of our actions?
Shantnu No Results, whether good or bad, are the natural consequences of our actions. Though body performs them, but it is the mind that commands them through the senses: It is the faculty of intelligence that discriminates between good and bad. But by discrimination intellect weeds our bad (ignorance) and fructifies the good, which is always for the betterment of others thus selfless...
Angelee Do ‘we’ also include in the others?
Shantnu Oh yes, anything that exists in the universe belongs to one homogeneous family of existence. About this later; so when our mind has realized its state of perfect intelligence, that means the knowledge of the self and the world at large, it beeps in joy.
Angelee Simply by knowing the difference between good and bad and thereafter performing only those actions which bear fruitful result, how our mind is able to generate only joy?
Shantnu As I have explained already, our 'person' is divided into physical and subtle parts. Body organs, senses and brain belong into physical part. Any action performed by this physical entity results in pleasure or pain, gain or loss etc. Then comes the memory and intellect, which are known as the subtle bodies (gross-consciousness) the memory carries the impressions and sounds of the activities performed by our sense organs and thereafter sense of discrimination synthesizes those impressions into good and bad, happiness and sorrow, this indicates that whereas body and its parts bring in pleasure or pain, subtle bodies induce happiness or sorrow. When we are able to segregate and eliminate bad and sorrow, only pleasure and happiness remain and sustain our physical and subtle bodies.
Angelee Does it mean, when we have elevated our consciousness (gross) to intelligence-level our mind turns into pure-consciousness (intelligence)! Shantnu Please do not jump to the conclusions so easily. First let the mind sustain this state of joy permanently, that is, twenty-four hours a day.
Angelee Even during sleep!
Shantnu In all the three states of the body i.e., waking sleeping, dreamless state
Angelee Is that possible for a worldly person, I mean, who is engaged, like me, in the affairs of the world?
Shantnu Yes, this way is precisely for the persons, who are professionally engaged, like you, in discharging their duties selflessly and benefiting the society at large.
Angelee Selfless, sacrifice, service to humanity are big words. How precisely these words, when transformed into practice, bring joy into our minds?
Shantnu We have to be extremely selfish and self-centered to realize our aim of self-joy (happiness).
Angelee But that totally contradicts the age old myths of self-sacrifice and selflessness
Shantnu Angelee dear, I had explained to you earlier, unless we become the master of our-self, that we have understood all aspects of our mind and our senses are in our control, we cannot hope to transfer the benefits of our actions to others, so let us be, first, selfish and only thereafter selfless.
Angelee You are right there, but my problem is related to the knowledge of what is good and what is bad. matter, as you know like taking food daily, repeated enquiry is the diet of the mind.
 

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Angelee, we perform different actions for different purposes and their affects are registered on individuals, society and humanity in various ways. The actions undertaken by the body, give pleasure-pain, to the individuals only. Whereas the influences of our thoughts, cause good-bad effects on the society as a whole But there are third category of actions, which are generated by our conscience via intelligence, whose effect are universal and their nature is in right or wrong.
Angelee Who monitors and analyze them, as to their nature of pleasure or pain, good or bad, right or wrong?
Shantnu In human anatomy and mental set-up, there is always a higher elevation which observes the lower ones. The elevation of physical and subtle bodies is in the order of body, sense organs, and senses of perception, gross-mind, intelligence, conscious and wisdom.
Angelee How we can be sure which state is governing us at a given moment?
Shantnu As soon as the scope of our conscious expands the previously inactivated memory cells or unknown material objects, are activated, the additional knowledge makes our memory cells understand better the world around us, then the recently activated consciousness becomes redundant (understood) and the prevailing state of consciousness is the observer and the redundant or the understood materials are the observed. In the present case, it is the faculty of intelligence of mind which discriminates the data of our activated consciousness and differentiates between the good and bad.
Angelee Now, I again repeat my earlier question, how the performance of only good action, can make us happy.
Shantnu You don't have to do anything to be happy, because it is already there in you. You are of the nature of happiness, for we have been trying to weed out all the unwanted and irrelevant data/information/disinformation/super-imposition from our memory cells (gross-consciousness). And what ultimately is left, is the state of mind that is described as joyful.
Angelee Can the state of intellect make us happy?
Shantnu No its role is limited, only to tell us what is good or bad.
Angelee You have told us about the origin of good and bad and their effects on society. But what is that which decides and guides for us, what is good and bad.
Shantnu Intelligence too is observed by another higher elevation, known as conscience. Unless we are aware of our actions and their effect on the humanity, till then we are only machines not human beings.
Angelee How to discriminate between right and wrong?
Shantnu What is good for humanity, is a good action and vice versa.
Angelee Then our conscience stands at a pedestal which is higher than the senses and the intellect.
Shantnu Each so-called higher state is the synthesis of the lower aspects of mind and body. Conscious is the finest essence extracted out of the finer sensitivities of mind (intelligence).
Angelee Is it possible to attain perfection in any one of the aspects of the mind, with the assistance of only lower aspects without the active involvement of the higher state?
Shantnu No It is not possible to achieve the sate of pure-intellect without proper guidance from the conscience. Intelligence on its own cannot evaluate its authenticity Moreover, each aspect of mind gets elevated to the next higher one after attaining perfection with activated consciousness of the upper state. In other words the extension of thought process (consciousness) is possible only when the present store of data in memory chambers is fully activated and with their help latent memory-cells are made conscious too. Similarly, with the assistance of our acquired knowledge we discover/invent new areas in the field of science and widen our scope of knowledge. Thus, either in the field of mind's extension or material progression, it is the latent knowledge that opens up the realms beyond.
So in the present case too, it is the sense of righteousness that discriminates between right and wrong and good and bad. It is the sense of righteousness that activates in our memory cells the emotions of goodness/righteousness. It is again the sense of righteousness that eliminates the negative vibrations of bad/ wrong form our consciousness. Thus, clean intellect is the reflection of clean conscience.
Angelee What is the difference between pure-intellect and intellect?
Shantnu When we know the limits of our mind and discover the knowledge of the physical sciences, these mental assets (conscious) are known as intellect, but when we acquire the knowledge (conscious) that create these sciences and are able to create the very basis of these sciences (matter) that knowledge is called pure-intellect.
Angelee Is pure intellect complete in itself?
Shantnu No Intellect's domain is only the physical world (matter). It is the knowledge of nature not the cause of nature. Though nature sustains unto itself (pure supreme-intelligence) but there is more potent consciousness that encompasses it.
Angelee You mean there are more potent entities than Nature. Please tell me what those are
 

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Shantnu Presently, it is not our topic of inquiry, but suffice is to say, that there is difference between what we call as Nature and Existence. But this later on; let us confines us to the point of realization of happiness through intelligence.
Remember mere intellect is of no consequence because it is transient like fleeting thoughts. Only pure-intellect is permanent hence eternal.
Angelee That proves mind is not an ordinary entity, but when fully realized it is the most potent tool for self-realization and extending its boundaries beyond the physical sciences. It also disapproves the previous notion that it can be eliminated.
Shantnu Its elimination is not possible so long it exists on Nature and vice versa. Its fully activated conscious state, not only permeates the Nature but the realms beyond which are the cause of the creation of Nature.
Angelee Then Nature is not self sustaining.
Shantnu It is as self-sustainable and complete in itself as a human being.
Angelee But human beings are dependent on Nature.
Shantnu Man is as dependent on Nature as Nature is dependent on man. Both have the capacity to fully extend their conscious-level to the limitless horizons of the cosmos. Nature like man perishes, re-emerges, sustains for some time and perishes again. Both are engaged in a self-regulated cycle of creation-sustenance-destruction. During each cycle matter, elements, and Nature's counter balancing process unleash un-imaginable forces of energy, which create turmoil and havoc. But these forces of energy also create un-matchable beauty in mankind and Nature.
Angelee Each known planet or star has stored in itself-such a volume of energy that they are roaming thermos nuclear bombs. Then how we expect to find peace or happiness on such planets
Shantnu Our planet is like our mind. Both have in them as many varieties of environs as there are subjects of physical sciences. But as Nature keeps balance of each element by countermanding their bad influence by injecting other elements; similarly in our mind too bad data of knowledge is countermanded by the good assets of the mind. As the overall scenarios of Nature are beauty par excellence hence beyond description, same way mind is composed of emotions -which are joyous in nature.
Angelee So the crux of today's inquiry is, mind is as eternal as Nature. It is as young as Nature. When the consciousness of both is submerged in each other, their union becomes pure-consciousness and this state is of eternal joy.
Shantnu But only to the extent, Nature is eternal.
Angelee Is there any doubt about it?
Shantnu It is eternal for those who believe in the infinity of Nature and Time.
Angelee Then they are not eternal, I mean their existence is transient, hence temporary!
Shantnu Angelee, in this world (Nature) whatever is subject to change, can never be Eternal.
Angelee But Nature's cycle is ever repeating.
Shantnu Yes, but it goes through changes every time, it loses its identity and emerges into a new identity. Though the process of change is always the same but change-decay-transformation does connote its transient nature. So it is not eternal.
Angelee So the mind too is not eternal?
Shantnu Of course, it is as eternal as Nature.

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Angelee Today I came to ask you about my state of mind. I have some guilty feelings, which I am unable to overcome.
Umeshwari I should leave you both alone as the subject matter you are likely to discuss is about you both.
Angelee How did you know Didi?
Umeshwari The whole campus knows about your love for Shantnu. Only you are acting as innocent and ignorant. Your problem, Angelee, is not why you love Shantnu, but the feelings that by loving Shantnu you are cheating on Gopi, thus your conscience is pricking you.
Angelee Exactly Didi, you are hundred per cent right.
Umeshwari So your problem is not with Gopi or others but with yourself, only you have not been able to justify your love-feeling for Shantnu with your conscience. But tell me frankly, why your sense of guilt is only for Gopi, why not for me. At least Shantnu is as good as a husband for me.
Angelee Didi, I know, you understand the expanse of love. You are also conscious about the depth of my master’s heart, which out flows only love which is for all. His love is not selfish or confined only to his near and dear but vibrates its beats of purity in all directions and in return subsumes the narrowness in the hearts of others.
Shantnu Both of you forget the subject matter of your concern is sitting right in front of you but you are not bothering about his state of mind, which could be quite different to your observations.
Angelee Don't you laugh at us? Even though I have the greatest regard for you; but I dare you to disapprove our love for you or the largeness of your heart. It is about your person we are talking about, and it is about my puny person I am concerned about.
Shantnu Are you different from your person?

Angelee I don know but somehow I feel I am split in two persons, one relating to my body, mind and intellect and the other to my conscience.
Shantnu Without your being conscious about it you have rightly assessed the condition of your mind. Though your body and senses are not directly involved with my person, still your intellect is agitated and sends signals of alarm to your conscience that something is not right between you and me.
Umeshwari You mean, the functions of our intelligence is to monitor the actions of our body and its senses and differentiate the fruits thereof, as good and bad. Whereas the monitoring of intelligence is done by the conscience which discriminates the actions of our intelligence as right and wrong
Shantnu All body related (material) actions bear fruits of good and bad whereas the fruits of our subtle-body (intelligence) are in the form of right and wrong.
In your case your body and senses are not actively involved with my person but in your mind you have not been able to erase the memory of those moments, which you think were the most cherished ones and their remembrance simply swoons you to ecstatic levels, that state you compare with love.
And this is the cause of your problem. Though, outwardly, your emotions are under control and you think you are not cheating on your husband but your emotional attachment with my person, of whom only your sub –conscious is aware, gives you jitters and your conscience warns you it is not a right action of your mind.
Angelee But what wrong I am committing? I am not being unfaithful to my husband.
Shantnu But you are being unfaithful to yourself.
Angelee How?
Shantnu Because your desire for my person is wrong...
Angelee But I don't have a desire for your body?
Shantnu Then why your conscience is agitated?
Angelee Tell me, do you love me?
Shantnu Yes.
Angelee Do you love Didi?
Shantnu Yes.
Umeshwari Do you love your daughter?
Shantnu Yes.
Umeshwari Do you find any difference in the kind of love you have for all of us
 

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Shantnu No I love all of you equally.
Umeshwari Now, do you see my point, Angelee! His love is unselfish. It is universal. He has no distinction of bodies, relations, or attachments. He simply loves all.
Angelee Am I not free to love you, as you love Didi?
Shantnu There is a difference between your kind of love and the one in which I am merged. My love is free whereas yours is bond.
Angelee Please explain. As far as I am concerned I am as free as you are.
Shantnu Tell me, what do you mean by freedom or being free?
Angelee Of course my mind, I mean my intelligence.
Shantnu As VC of the University, you take your decisions according to the bylaws, rules of the University. As a citizen of this nation, you have to obey its rules of law and live within the confines of a society which, again is governed by conventions, customs, constitution and the laws it enacts. From childhood to death it is either the society or the nature that controls our actions.
Angelee But my thoughts are free, I mean, I am intellectually free and this freedom enables me to think, adopt, develop any kind of thoughts.
Shantnu But my dear, you are conditioned by incomplete, delusive data fed by your senses, whose capacities are very limited.
Angelee Even then, whatever capability I possess, I have the liberty to discharge its functions the way I want.
Shantnu You mean you have the ability to act freely on the knowledge (ability) acquired through the senses.
Angelee Yes.
Shantnu Then you will be merely satisfying your desires.
Angelee Please explain.
Shantnu Do you think there is difference between the freedom you enjoy at home and in the outside world?
Angelee Definitely I can sing, dance, yell or cry at my home, whereas I can't discharge these acts in society openly.
Shantnu It shows within the four walls of your house, you have freedom from society to act freely. Similarly when you think, you are intellectually free to act (think) anyway, then from whom your intellect gets freedom to act?
Angelee Obviously from my senses
Shantnu Of course, if there is bondage, only then we seek freedom.
Angelee Because I want to!
-Shantnu Or you have the urge to satisfy your desires -singing, dancing, yelling or crying?
Angelee Yes.
Shantnu Then, my dear you are merely satisfying your desires. It is not freedom.
Angelee What is the difference?
Shantnu There is a difference between the satisfaction of our desires and freedom. Satisfaction of our desires is bondage to our senses whereas freedom is a spontaneous expression, coming from our hearts for any object or any individual.
Angelee But even that too comes from the confines of our minds.
Shantnu Yes, it comes from there and not from the confines of a bonded mind, but from a free mind, which enjoys equal mindedness, hence a state of freedom. Freedom is a state which is not achieved but it is simply there. It is singular, so it does not come from some other entity. If there is a second entity, it is bond by some other agency, so we seek freedom from that. As our consciousness unshackles the bonds (influences) of body - senses - intellect combine, wisdom reveals in us the freedom that is already there.

Angelee The gist of your philosophy is, senses give us pleasure or pain, which brings in us the tendencies of positive and negative; mind (intelligence) gives us the feelings of joy or sorrow, whose fruits are either good or bad; conscience discriminates between right and wrong and its fruit are virtue and sin, but what kind of fruits wisdom showers on us?
Shantnu Angelee, I am not a philosopher but a humble seeker - a learner, who is making earnest endeavor to know Reality. Wisdom has no plurality or duality, it is singular like freedom and by realizing it one attains its singular fruit of truth. But this we shall take on later, our present subject matter is conscience. Let us confine to it only.
Angelee Alright, now try to explain to me by precept, its different variations.
Shantnu Conscience has no other variation except right and wrong or virtue and sin. With its elevation, our mind becomes more and more subtle with less and less burdens. In its gross-conscious state, it has all kinds of variations like - good and bad, right and wrong, high and low, loss and gain, pleasure and pain, joy and sorrow etc. but all of these vanish along with its nature of duality, when it is elevated to the state of wisdom.
Now about explaining by precept, you have something specific in mind. Please ask without hesitation.
Angelee I want to know why in my case, my mental-level relationship with you is wrong and it is right between you and Didi, when both of you are not lawfully married and have a daughter.
 

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Shantnu You want to know the state of your relationship with me and my state of relationship with Umeshwari. It is a very conscientious question. I like it.
Angelee Oh, yes
Shantnu You think the relations between Umeshwari and me, are licentious.
Umeshwari Just to remove your misgivings since Shantung’s second-coming we no more indulge in sexual relationship.
Angelee Why? Do you think it immoral?
Umeshwari No Physical relations are never immoral, only our intentions can be immoral As regards to physical relations; we don't have the need any more. Without indulging into them, we reciprocate each other's need of love.
Shantnu Is loved reciprocal?
Umeshwari No it merges in each other's and thus fulfills the vacuum created by the gratifications of the senses. Even if the target of love may not respond to our love, our love merges in that person's heart and compels it to beat the tunes of mystical love.
Now about your misgivings; 1 shall try to answer on behalf of Shantnu, as in our so-called licentious behavior, I am the main culprit.
You might recall that day of my misdemeanor; I willfully tried to injure both of you by eloping with Gopi, your husband, while it was Shantnu, who was on my mind, all the time. He was not being responsive to my love, which I now understand, was a case of physical infatuation only. I wanted him to respond, as emotionally surcharged as I was towards him. About the rest you know already. Even then his physical responses towards both of us were spontaneous and uninvolved, as his love is now equally shared among us all. No one owns him, not even his senses or intellect restrain the flow of his love. As sensual pleasures with him, only exhausts the passions of his partners, his intellect inspires exuberance in the latent (mental) assets of others. Similarly his wisdom is creating an aura of freedom around him, that is freeing the bondage of those minds, which entering that circle of freedom.
You can not blame him for any kind of act for he is not swayed by the temptation of the fruits of actions. When he was first brought from Kulu airport, his body was a walking-live machine. It was inert for all practical purposes. We could sway it the way we wanted. He simply did not bother about his bearings. It would not be off the mark, if I describe his condition at that time, as that of a robot. He automatically responded to our demands and we got from him what we wanted. We have gradually transformed that robot from the sensual level conscious to the state of unlimited freedom, which is infinite and eternal. It all depends on our level of consciousness. If we were mired in the sensual level he clicked at that level. As our conscious state went on widening, we experienced the similar exposure of his mind. But there we stopped and he became an enigma to us. We thought he was too much for us. He always was free, and his conscious level was that of a Jnani (wise), only he took it in his stride and behaved normally, though he was and still is handicapped by the absence of memory of his past person.
 

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Angelee Very interesting indeed Didi! Now I remember, he always responded in automation to our demands, whereas his conscious remained always centered somewhere else. It now become clear, he was always immersed in the state of freedom and only on our demands he allowed himself to slide downward. Had he been aware of his past ‘person’, he would not have allowed his elevated conscious-self to come to lower-levels. Because of his mugged past-person, he took our level of consciousness as real and behaved with us, naturally in that fashion.
UmeshwariPerhaps you don't know, when he reappeared again and saw his daughter, he immediately offered to marry me, in formal way. But I refused his offer.
Angelee Why Didi?

Umeshwari For us both, no vows or rituals can bond two persons, through the knots of marriage, into lasting relationship. Relations between two partners of opposite sex do not depend on physical intimacy or mental adjustments or on intellectual digressions. It is an unwritten contract between the partners to supplement each other and help in attaining the purpose of life.
Angelee How one achieves that?
Umeshwari By merging into each other Firstly, the physical mergence, then the intellectual, then conscientious and ultimately the complete surrender of separate identities and meetings on the platform of identical personalities, identical equal-mindedness and a composite sphere of freedom, in which the two floats in total freedom, with wings spread, maintaining the balance of all the elements, whether internal or external.
By all this, I am not implying that the agency of marriage is not right. But anything done spontaneously in the freedom of mind is never licentious because the cause of act, originates from the very core of the heart, which is not enslaved by the body-mind-intellect trilogy, hence remains ever free.
Even otherwise, few words read by a priest from sacred books, don't physically bind two persons. Reading of those words by the priest are not important, but the presence of sacred scriptures or the sacred ceremonies are more important. But the importance of their sacredness is only understood and felt by an awakened conscience. So the all-important factor is our conscience. If it is dormant, suppressed or dead, no amount of sacred reading of scriptures, rituals, customs, or conventions, would compel us to remain united and live in a happy married life. So the panacea is the enlivened conscience not the marriage license.
Angelee If we dispense with the marriage system then the very structure of our society would disintegrate.
Umeshwari I am not propagating that, nor am I against the institution of marriage. I am simply trying to drive in you the difference between the meaning of an act that is done for the gratification of our desires which bonds us to the lower states of the mind and an act performed spontaneously coming from the very depths of our hearts, which is without any bias or detrimental to the interests of others and well within the sanctions of the society.
In the worldly sense we both are living as husband and wife. We don't cheat on each other and neither of us has married someone else. Though we are living more like a pair of master-disciple union than a husband-wife combine but for our daughter's sake, we play the parts of her father and mother.
Angelee Didi, please forgive me. Your deep analysis of my problem vs-à-vis your relations with the master, has corrected my inner vision and now I see the things in their right perspective.
Umeshwari Now you are free to shoot your questions to Shantnu.
Angelee I don't have anymore questions.
Shantnu Then adieu for the day

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Angelee Today I have again brought with me the students, who insisted on to accompany me, because when I told them about the current topic, the conscience, I could not ignore their imploring and assuming on your magnanimity, I brought them along.
Now boys, I leave you with the master, you have your fill.
Shantnu Don't bother on my account, I don't possess anything that does not belong to all.
Angelee Even Did?
Shantnu I don't possess her, she belongs to herself. It is her love that we share and that can never be imprisoned by anyone which again belongs to all.
Angelee Yesterday, you used a word 'mental-action', what is- that?
Shantnu Thinking.
Angelee So the domain of conscience is intelligence and as the actions of the body through its organs, are monitored by the intelligence and their fruits (results) are in the forms of good and bad, similarly, mental actions (thinking) are discriminated as right or wrong by the conscience (and she left, after starting the dialogue).
Student Sir, how do we know whether our thinking is right or wrong?
Whereas the action performed by the body can be witnessed, but our thoughts are hidden, thus not witnessed, so how others can judge the state of our mental actions?
Shantnu Body is merely a biological machine, whose actions are instigated by the senses, which are controlled by the mind (gross), has no independence of its (body) own, thereby it does not perform the actions, which its limbs discharge and exhibit. Still there are two agencies to monitor its actions; one is the external the other is the internal.
Student Pray, tell us what those are.
Shantnu The external one is the society.
Student But society is a composite terminology, representing a vast variety of people. What exactly is the society?

Student Please tell us; what are the tools and skills that a body and mind need to bear fruits of good and joy?
Shantnu Body needs senses which are optimally charged with positive tendencies and transmit only finer sensitivities to the mind. Similarly mind too is required to be equipped with the mental assets, the values of life. These values become normal values, when these are bereft of selfishness and utilized for the benefit of humanity at large.
Student Sir, what are the outer indications, by which we may judge a person's tools of goodness, mental assets and moral-values?
Shantnu Good and bad are the body's sports, therefore, are evident by outer demeanor. A person who is soft-spoken not harsh but always helpful to others, who hears, sees, smells good, supports good behavior, is honest and sincere in his dealings with others. Above all, he performs his duties very diligently and is a disciplined citizen, is known as good person.
As all of these actions (intentions) take their roots from the mind of a person, he must therefore, have the matching convictions (will) about their performance, that his actions and thinking should have absolutely no difference. Good 'karma' (actions), sincerity, honestly, helpful attitude, munificence; hatred, envy, zealously towards none, are the main characteristics (mental assets) of a righteous person. And while dispensing these qualities, if a person laces them with affection, kindness, sacrifice, compassion and love, these very values become moral values.
Student Does it indicate intellect is bereft of moral based values?
Shantnu Mere scholarship, minus of moral values is shallow intellect, which is not only incomplete, immature in itself, but is prone to delusions.
Student But, Sir, pure intelligence had brought wonders in science and technology in the life of human kind, so how is it prone to delusions?
Shantnu First you must understand the difference between pure-intellect and scholarship and, secondly what causes these delusions? Mere scholarship means the knowledge of the sciences relating to material aspects of nature, whereas pure-intellect is the science that unites the individual conscious to the universal conscious (ness). Scholarship or mere intellect is trying to unravel the mysteries of the creation of the universe, whereas pure-intellect leads you to Reality that Creates the Universe.
Student We still don't understand about the factors which differentiate between the two and what are the missing links which lag the intellect behind and leaves it as incomplete, immature and susceptible to delusions.
 
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Shantnu The driving force behind each of our action, is the impelling force of desire. By fulfilling our desires, we satisfy our craving senses and the end result is pleasure. Physical action brings pleasure. But when this physical pleasure is registered in our mind, its thinking process wants it too and that too, in sustainable form. As mind is composed of only thoughts it could drive, its pleasure, only in thought (subtle) form. So the mind starts its discriminating exercise and weeds out all the irrelevant data from its think-bank (memory cells) and retains only that which brings it sensations (moments) of joy. Thus the pleasure that body (senses) sought, transforms itself into joy, after being sieved through the discriminating nature of our intelligence, thus what gives pleasure to our senses is good and that which brings joy to our mind, is right.
Student Sir, body's pursuit of good (ness) and intelligence’s pursuits of joy; is that all the human race is after or it is the brainchild of the thinkers?
Shantnu A good query but toned in humility. Scholars would have raised the heavens! For, according to them, what for is the intellect, and tons of literature, merely to have a go at joy? And what is joy and what it leads to? A moment’s sensation, that is all!
Nay, my child, it is not so. For voluminous literature that they cry horse about, was not the creation of lunatics or imbeciles. A small minority of human race, the real gems, has been giving joys to the genuine seekers. They sprang from joy and still are showering joy. The real worth of literature, art, music or scientific invention, is assessed by the joy it gives to their creators and their beholders.

ShantnuScientific inventions are for the betterment of human race, but when these are used for the destruction of that very race, they become immoral acts. This immorality is not present in these inventions but lies in their applications which are in the hands of a few members of the society, who profess themselves as self-proclaimed leaders/dictators. Similarly, intellect, acumen of scholarship is imposed on the societies on the pretext of improving the living standard of its people or for the better growth of their mental abilities or for bringing about unity (superficial) among them. Some pervert brains can play havoc on the societies by misusing the fruits of the scientific inventions, intellectual excellence, in the field of biology, physics, chemistry, sociology, economy, psychology, or other applied sciences. Whereas genius endeavors are for the advancement of knowledge, scholars interpret it according to their self interest and apply it on society, treating it as experimental field.
Thus evil genius or its evil application does have destructive effects on the society.
Student Then what are its checks, Sir?
Shantnu Scholarship should be value based.
Student And how that is possible, Sir?
Shantnu By transforming those values into moral values!
Student Sir, what is the one word, definition of morality?
Shantnu Character. As positive actions discharged through the controlled senses, labels a man, as good; value based intellect brands the thinking of a person, as right; similarly the essence of the sum-total of goodness and values, shows the character of an individual.
Student Thus character is the composite of moral-values.
Shantnu Yes.
Student Sir, do moral values too change from person to person, as values do?
Shantnu Positive tendencies and sense of righteousness do not change, as these already exist in a person. It is only his self-interest that seems to distort them momentarily and negative tendencies take root.
Student Sir, sorry for interruption, but we want to understand more about intelligence...
Shantnu It is the mental ability to perceive, acquire, disseminate data and information, relating to Nature and its elements and create a bank of knowledge, with whose application mankind advances further in its journey of evolution.
Student Does intelligence has any role to play in the process of evolution?
 

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Shantnu Man would not be able to improve his conditions, had there not been the application of his intelligence.
Student But man monitors those conditions now by manipulating the very structure of his genes.
Shantnu It is again because of his intelligence that he can bring about those changes because his intelligence is equipped with the tools of power of reasoning, logic, differentiation, adoptability and improvisation. He does not undertake his experiments or research, for the improvement of his conditions, merely on impulse, but he is impelled to bring about these changes by the messages coming to him, in inheritance, through the genes. If, now he wants structural changes in genes, it is because of some maladjustment or difficulties, felt by his forefathers, whose remedial measures they could not invent during their times, which are now being carried out by their inheritors.
Now about your query regarding the role of intelligence in the process of evolution it is thus evident that with the phenomenal advancement in the intelligence of man, he brings about his evolvement at a brisk rate, that he may complete the journey of his evolution, much earlier than the evolution of Nature.
Student If we understand correctly, Sir, do you mean there is distinction between man and Nature and their course of evolution are also not parallel?
Shantnu Man though is the product of Nature, but he is also endowed with its unique pervasiveness of intelligence. Inherited with this unique tool, he is therefore, automatically equipped to bring his intelligence at par with Nature. When his intelligence equals (merges) to that of Nature's (intelligence) his intelligence (conscious) is transformed into Supreme-intelligence. It is a wonderful experience as he has been able to achieve this stateless state, while still retaining his physical form because the sum total of Nature's intelligence is not contained in its material bodies (stars, planets etc.) but is pervading in the invisible (subtle) particles. Encompassing therefore, supreme-intelligence of Nature, his tiny intelligence becomes all pervading and he is doubly equipped. He thus becomes the only entity of Nature, who, while in gross physical body, is also endowed with the subtle intelligence. This unique mixture enables him to look beyond; for a physical entity, though endowed with supreme intelligence, there is always a step beyond.
Student Kindly tell us, what is that beyond? Is there any difference between supreme-intelligence and Reality?
Shantnu Here we stop, because we have already gone quite away from our topic of discussion. For your present query, suffice is to say, Nature's existence, pervades in its integrated (supreme) - intelligence, whereas the cause of its creation is Reality?
Student Any difference between Supreme intelligence and Supra-consciousness?
Shantnu They are two facets of Nature, the one is Existence and the other is the power that connotes its existence. Two faces of one entity, thus one.
Student Coming back to our original topic; does nature which is inert, has the attributes of conscience, like human beings?
Shantnu Both are as inert and lifeless as an entity is, without consciousness. If consciousness is withdrawn from them, both become inert and consequently their lower state, is aptly known as gross (consciousness). So whatever exists is consciousness and therefore, has all the attributes, qualities and states of consciousness that a living entity has. That means the conscience of Nature and human kind is synonymous.
Student Before pursuing our quest any further, please explain in brief the difference between intellect and conscience.
Shantnu Mere (dry) scholarship and intellect is like a machine robot or computer discharging their functions in accordance with the data fed in them. They have no will or sense of discrimination of their own.
Student Why 'mere or dry' words are prefixed?
Shantnu Because any mind (person) bereft of such qualities, as, sympathy, affection, sacrifice, mercy, compassion, kindness and love, which are the components of conscience, is possessed of a 'dry' intellect/scholarship, hence an emotionless machine not a pulsating heart (mind) of a man full of love and compassion.
Student Kind Sir, does our instinct has any role in the development of our moral values?
Shantnu These (instincts) have a definite and positive role in the unfolding of our conscience by activating their components.
 

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Student Is there a distinct science, dealing only with its components?
ShantnuFor the understanding of material bodies, we have physical sciences; for intellectual domain, we have different disciplines of scholarships; similarly there is a science relating specifically to conscience - it is known by the name of Religion.
Student But we don't have one religion...
Shantnu I get your point. I am not referring to religions, which are in prevalence these days. There are as many religions as the number of sects; and there are thousands of sects in the world - thus there are as many religions, beliefs and faiths correspondingly. But presently our subject matter of enquiry is conscience, which is one subject in itself, so it must have only one discipline for its knowledge (interpretation) and that one word subject is - Religion not religions. Our basic approach for understanding different aspects of human variations in relation to Nature has been based on the premise that humanity is one unit. That is why, while dealing with physical, mental, intellectual aspects, we have been very precise and specific and used only single term in defining each variation of human elevation, such as body, senses, mind (gross) and intelligence. Thus for, there has not been any ambiguity or double meaning of any one of the terminology Therefore, the subject that deals with conscience is one and that is Religion and this religion relates to whole humanity and not to any particular sect, faith or nationality.
Student By your statement, we should understand that every aspect of human variation (elevation/evolution) has only one terminology and that represents and caters to entire humanity, and not confined and limited to one sect or nationality.
Shantnu Exactly, the sum total of conscience of entire humanity has its knowledge confined in one subject, and that subject is Religion. And that religion is the religion of the whole humanity. In other words we can say Religion is the conscience of society (humanity).
Student Or as you had said Sir, at the very onset, it (conscience) is the voice of society (humanity).
Shantnu You are right.
Student Sir, explain to us its general role in the make-up of Nature. Because, though the role of its components is understood in the mental make-up of human beings, how these are relevant in Nature is not being evident to us.
Shantnu Though the role of man, in the evolutionary process is distinct and separately marked, both have a lot in common.
Student That is obvious, because man is the off-shoot of Nature.
Shantnu Though man is the miniature (microbe) representation of a vast system (macrocosm) of Nature, still he is much more than that because he is not limited and confined like Nature, which is bound to its cycle of creation - sustenance - destruction, whereas he has the ability to come out of its (nature) system and elevates himself beyond its binding spheres.
Student While the faculty of mind is to differentiate between good and bad, and that of conscience is to discrimination between right and wrong: what kind fruits the physical-material bodies give us (?).
Shantnu None at all. Because physical bodies are inert, thus devoid of their own will; it is the consciousness of mind that illumines them and makes them capable of action.
Student Sir, since our gradual elevation from sensual indulgence to intellectual activation, we have been witnessing their nature in the form of pleasure and pain, joy and sorrow; what type of characteristics does a conscientious man display?
Shantnu Body and mind, display their nature and results in dual forms, but as we upstate our level of consciousness above that of intellect, the nature of upper levels become singular though the consequent fruits fructify in negative/positive sense, unto the elevation of conscience. Therefore it is singular in nature, which is tranquil and its dual fruits are right and wrong.
Student Sir, its very name is suggestive and indicates its nature of tranquility (calm, peace) is temporarily induced by some foreign elements. Kindly tell us what that element is and why its nature is enforced one - thus temporary.
Shantnu Our intellect is equipped with the faculty of logic, therefore it assess and disseminates the material (knowledge) with the limited ability it has acquired thereof, but in the case of conscience, its tools of reasoning, righteousness, are inadequate to evaluate a state (consciousness) which is above itself unless it is tooled with the components (love, compassionate) of that state (conscience). Its immature state, due to the imperfection of its tools (logic etc.) induces on it an elusive state of calm and peace which is tranquil in nature
 

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Student When does its tranquil state transform itself into permanent state of peace, Sir?
Shantnu When intellect has made up its deficiencies of knowledge by merging with the supreme-intelligence, it acquires an eternal state of peace and that comes only after it has crossed (understood) its next two levels of conscious (ness) that of conscience and wisdom!
My dear children, so far we had confined the scope of our quest to one aspect of our mind (gross) that of material-nature only but from now onward we shall take up its other side also, that of love.
Student Sir, you mean unto the level of intellect there is hardly any scope of love!
Shantnu In the field of acquisition of knowledge, though there is always a place for love in any field, love element is not of paramount importance, because essentially it is in its application that humanity requires its induction.
Student Sir, kindly explains.
Shantnu Splitting of atom was simply a scientific invention, which came by as a result of extension of knowledge in one field (Physics) but it is entirely a different matter, whether an atomic bomb is manufactured as the sequence to that knowledge and cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are destroyed or alternatively energy is produced in atomic-power-plants, for the benefit of humanity! So it is in the application of that knowledge (invention/discovery) that love element is more essential to put a check on their nefarious usage. Machine is not that important as is the man behind that machine and more importantly than that is the motive that impels the man to new discoveries and the implementation of their fruits that whether that application is right (moral) or wrong (immoral).
Student Moral and immoral are new words in the vocabulary of intellectuals. Sir, what is their contribution in the field of intellect?

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Angelee Today you have taken full advantage of your holiday. It is almost evening but your discussions with the master are still going on. His daughter has also come from the hostel, let us now go and keep them free.
Sheetal No auntie, let them continue, I will also enjoy it, as I have rare opportunity to listen to papa's talks.
Shantnu Let it be so as you wish, my child, now about your query. The nature of our body is to engage in karmas (action) whose resultant fruits are good and bad, in consonance with our positive/negative tendencies. And contribution to our society is in the form of pleasure or pain. All these differences between positive/negative, good/bad, and pleasure/pain combination are monitored by mind (gross-conscious) who is the ringmaster of the senses. Similarly, the nature of our mind is to acquire and activate latent knowledge (conscious) whose results are either right or wrong, directly corresponding to our mental abilities and their contribution to us or society is in the shape of joy and sorrow. It is the conscience that monitors these differences of right/wrong knowledge/ignorance, joy and sorrow. Likewise the nature of our conscience is tranquility. Moral/immoral are its two aspects and their fruits are virtue and vice.
Student Immoral, evil are also known as sin, in religious vocabulary, is it not so, Dada?
Shantnu There is no such thing as sin. It is the misnomer of 'error'. Anyway about this-later…..
Student Dada, what is moral?
Shantnu That which is right, is moral and vice versa.
Student What is it, Dada that differentiates between right and wrong?
Shantnu It is the sense of conscience...
Student Sorry for interruption Dada, is conscience also a sense?
Shantnu You know, the composition of our mind is - waves and waves of thoughts which is the language (expression) of our emotions. And whatever originates from emotions has its lineage from senses. But it is the last ladder in the sense (material) conscious-mind. Thereafter comes a state, which is devoid of the influences of the sense-oriented-mind; it is the gist of the mind, the culmination of the state of - intelligence and conscience.
Student Is it wisdom, Dada?
 

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Shantnu Yes, now about the contributory factor of our conscience in the field of intellect, or for that matter in Nature because you had also wanted to know about the conscience of Nature - if there is one?
Student Dada, you had also mentioned that it is the role of religion that transforms the connotation of right and wrong into moral and immoral. How is it Dada?
Shantnu Religion today has become a very biased word. It has assumed very limited scope, having confined itself to narrow by-laws. It’s very mention connotes dissent, separation, communal riots and segmentation of society. Having lost its original glory, it is the harbinger of trouble today. In its present condition of narrowness, we cannot impose upon it the universal representation, therefore cannot be the monitoring factor in determining our moral values, as moral values do not change from society to society or from religion to religion. These represent the synthesis of one religion, one society i.e. humanity. So at present we exclude religion, in its present form, from door purview and aim our quest, only towards Reality.
Student Dada, which implies, not towards God.
Shantnu Don't you dare minion the word God, in my presence again?
Sheetal Why Daddy, you have devoted your whole life in search of God, why do you now, all of a sudden, abhor this word?
Shantnu Please don't misunderstand me, I love God. But I cannot discuss God?
Sheetal Is it so hard and difficult to know about God, Daddy?
Shantnu No, my darling daughter, it is not the reason. The simple reason is, it is so easy to know Him, and people simply don't believe it.
Angelee Then why do you avoid its mention?
Shantnu It is such a revered word, that I don't want its soiling with cheap talks.
Angelee Cheap talks, you mean us...
Shantnu I do not mean anything except, it is not a topic for discussion; which is of self-realization. At proper time, we shall all, try earnestly to know Him and Us. Till then, we are not aware of this word, we have not heard of this word, is that clear to all of you?
Angelee Understood, master. You have made your point very clear and we all abide by your word.
Shantnu Angelee, my dear, don't slight this word. It is not a .word that belongs to me or to you. It belongs to all of us. Rather it is us.
Angelee I am sorry, I did not mean to...
Shantnu Don't mistrust yourself. Have full faith in yourself and plunge headlong in its search. Faith is never blind as at its backing is your entire treasure of intelligence and conscience. Only you need to create balance, equanimity, between your opposing variations of tendencies and intellect and you will attain everlasting peace.

Angelee Oh Master, what brings about this peace?
Shantnu Firstly, aim at temporary calm and peace - tranquility, lasting peace will come later.
Angelee But, how master?
Shantnu By the application of conscience
Angelee Please elaborate.
Shantnu Man is a combination of animal nature and Reality. As he becomes aware of his nature of Reality, he sheds off the animal nature to that extent. Until he drops the last vestige of animal tendencies, whether sensual or emotional (physical or mental), he remains in the sphere of gross-consciousness.
Angelee Suppose, he shackles off physical reactions and revels only in thoughts; is he still degenerate?
Shantnu Animal tendencies generated solely for the purpose of self-satisfaction, are evil whether these are indulged in by the body or mind.
Angelee Again, suppose, a person has completely controlled his senses, but his mind is still infected, how he is to get rid of the trash.
Shantnu By the application of his conscience and conscience has as its tool, the senses of righteousness
Angelee But how one is to differentiate between right and wrong?
Shantnu When our intellect is laced with the sense of righteousness (Dharma), our mental abilities become human values (love, kindness, forbearance, compassion, sacrifice). The same qualities of life become virtues, when these are chiseled with moral values (character, truth, non-violence, peace etc.) It is a progressive journey from pleasure of senses to joy of intelligence to tranquility of conscience. But in case the journey is reverse, the downward slide is from pain-sorrow to violence and utter confusion. So whatever is free of animal tendencies, lust, greed, hatred, anger, envy, ostentatious living and pride, is right and vice-versa.
Angelee Pray, tell us who is a virtuous man?
 

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Shantnu One whose character is impeccable, he is nonviolent peace loving and truthful.
Angelee What are the physical (visible) characteristics of a conscientious person?
Shantnu His each and every action is for the benefit of others. He is helpful to others, self-sacrificing, munificent and above all, all that he possesses he shares their benefit with others.
Angelee The fruits of conscience have both positive and negative sides; what you termed as merits and demerits (sins), conscience is not the purest state of mind.
Shantnu That is why it falls in the category of the senses (emotional level) of the mind and is thus categorized not as a state of the mind but is termed as sense of morality/ immorality, which are the positive-negative components of conscience.
Angelee Up to the intellectual level, sin word has no existence or significance but at conscience level it suddenly assumes vital importance. Why?
Shantnu Because conscious of mind, corresponding to intellect level is limited to academic knowledge only, whether you acquire it by self-learning or through regular channels but conscience is the assessing authority, that determines the real worth of the intellect. It is the most sensitive consciousness of the mind that activate its latent natural qualities (of love, kindness compassion, forbearance, sacrifice etc.) which transforms the knowledge (acquired so far) into mental assets (values of life/human values).
Student If it is so, then why conscience has two aspects (positive/negative) likes the lower levels of conscious of the mind?
Shantnu Because mind in whatever level of consciousness is always engaged in activity which, automatically produces reactions (positive/negative) but as the quality of conscious gets finer, with the corresponding decrease in animal tendencies, the purity of our consciousness increases and its elevation registers another higher level. But it is only at conscience level that our mind is able to get rid of its animal nature, because at this level it develops, extra qualification of moral values which are the sole agencies, which weed out the immoral propensities in them.
Student You mean, Dada, our tendencies do have direct/indirect effect upto our intellectual level and it is only the conscience that makes it possible for our intelligence to weed out their wrong (immoral) influences.
Shantnu The role of conscience is also limited, because though it removes the affects of our animal nature, from our mind, but it is unable to divert the wrong channelisation of the fruits of our intellect.
Student How so, Dada?
Shantnu Because conscience may eliminate the negative effects of lust etc. from our mind, but the fruits of its (mind) research/discovery/invention could be misdirected to satisfy its ego.
Student Is ego also a state of mind, Dada?
Shantnu Ego is an identification mark of each 'person'. It personifies wholly, personality of an individual. Each person is the composite of many 'persons' and discharges his self according to the level of consciousness he is awakened to, at the moment.
Student Dada, how a person is the composition of many a ‘persons’?



Shantnu The basic identification of each person begins with the ‘I’. I am Ram, my name is Ram. This is the first identification. The second identification of ‘I’ is marked with physical traits - prowess-charms. I am an athlete, a body builder, a boxer and a handsome person. The third identification belongs to mental assets which puts personal marks on each individual. I am a doctor, an engineer, a scientist etc.
The fourth identification mark is that of scholar, who is the repository of all the conscious-knowledge is. The ‘I’ that differentiate between good and bad
The conscientious person is the fifth form of ‘I’ identification whose assigned role is to discriminate between right and wrong. Sixth ‘I’ is neutral, which overseas only the ‘I’ in all ‘I’s’.
Thereafter, the seventh ‘I’ has no mark of identification and it is causeless, timeless and speechless.
Thus, the basic ‘I’ is split into five different ‘I’ and identified by as many variations of the body-senses-mind trilogy of one person. So my dears, the composite ‘I’ of all the five is the ego-the identifying mark of our self (gross-consciousness).
Student Does a conscientious person also have an ego problem, Dada
 

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Shantnu Yes, when he assumes the role of altruism.
Student It indicates physical charms, good qualities and moral values can have disastrous effects on an individual ego.
Shantnu It is even more dangerous than the negative aspects of a person.
Student Dada, we have then to be very judicious in the application of our physical prowess, mental assets and moral values.
Shantnu Not judicious but conscientious
Angelee How can we achieve that state of...?
Shantnu Not a state but a balance that equally upholds the scales of qualities and moral values.
Angelee Kindly tell us, about that ‘I’ identification which produces this balance.
Shantnu Conscience.
Student Dada, what are the factors that create conscience?
Shantnu Conscience is never created; it is always imbibed and inherited by instinct. And there is only one factor which imbibes it in us, and that is - RELIGION.
Angelee You mean to say, if there no religion, there is no conscience.
Shantnu Absolutely, my dear
Angelee Why are you smiling Didi, I am completely flabbergasted. His statement is going to affect the structural base of our society.
Umeshwari I am not laughing at you. You are simply being very knave.
Angelee How Didi?
Umeshwari Because you have not been able to differentiate between human values, moral values and mental assets
Student Madam, what are the differences, pray tells us?
Dishware What I have been able to understand from him, so far, is, human values connote - religion (Humanity) moral values denote a sectional religion, whereas mental assets (values) are fostered in an intellectual.
Student Madam, what is the difference between the religion and a sectional religion.
Umeshwari Sectional religion, relates to one particular community, whereas religion belongs to entire humanity. There is only one religion that is the religion of humanity, whose foundations are raised on the pillars of human values.
Student Pray, tell us the basic differences between the human values and moral values
Shantnu There is no difference between these two. Mankind has gone through many a cultural, historical and territorial evolution, as a result numerous sub-religions have mushroomed, to them I have put a name tag of sectional religions because none practice Universal brotherhood of man, rather each has erected around it a solid wall of rites and rituals. Instead of Universal-religion innumerable communities have sprung on the footsteps of spiritual masters of the day. The society is now segregated into as many sectors as there are the numbers of sub-religions. Forgetting the real gospel of their masters, each sub-religion is spreading the seeds of hatred.
My dear, I do not want to discuss about this subject right now. About this, later; presently, suffice is to say, sectional religions have changed the moral values and degenerated them for their convenience and selfish motives. Moral values which were once, universal in nature, are now tailored according to the volume of passion, each community generates. Now what is right for one sect of people is immoral for another. So in present day society, rather societies, moral values have lost their meaning and instead a new word has been coined, human values.
Student Why we have allowed this downward slide, Dada?
 
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