क्या राम भगवान था ?

pps309

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veer pher ikk mere warge aam bande nu ki kahoge, ki oh kaun hai ?

matlab Sri Guru Granth Sahib nu bina padhe samjhe, pta nhi chal sakda ki LORD ki hai ?

te padh k sirf apne aap lyi pta challu ?
appa kise aam bande nu pher wi nhi samjha sakde right. ?

JB 22, rabb di boht dur di gal aa, jad koi non-science background da banda mere kol puchda ke tusi ki kamm karde...............ohnu sahi tara nahi samjha hunda ke main exactly ki karda.
Mere taxi chalan aale bhraa, jinna ne routers, application load balancer nahi dekhe ohna nu kivve samjhava ke main exactly kedi programming karda. Mota mota ja samjha deyi da, ohnu samjhan nu v ghanta lag jaanda.

Same way Rabb ta apne aap SGGS (1430 ang) parr-samaj-vichar ke samjhe aau.....baki sareya ne taa mota mota jaa samjhauna ;)
 

Yaar Punjabi

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22 ji. kise ne jawaab nahe ditta k shri guru granth sahib wich ram naam kinni waar aanda hai.. Te kyo aanda hai.. Oh ta gur ke baani hai ta ram naam naal kyo judi... Gal sirf enne hai k rabb har roop ch aanda reha.
First of All God is formless
Gurbani ch Ram word God lyi aaya..te jithe Ram word Ram chandar ji lyi aaya othe guru ji ne clear kita
ਰਾਮੁ ਗਇਓ ਰਾਵਨੁ ਗਇਓ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਬਹੁ ਪਰਵਾਰੁ ॥
रामु गइओ रावनु गइओ जा कउ बहु परवारु ॥
Raam Chand passed away, as did Raawan, even though he had lots of relatives.
Here Guru ji Talking About Ram Chander ji
Not for God..If Guru ji accepted Ram Chander ji as God,,then How a god can Passed away?

other example
[FONT=&quot]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਰਾਮ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਕਹਨ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਮਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਭੇਦੁ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਹੈ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਤਾ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਮਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਏਕੁ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਬਿਚਾਰੁ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]॥[/FONT]​
Kabīr rām kahan mėh bẖeḏ hai ṯā mėh ek bicẖār.​
Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.​

[FONT=&quot]ਸੋਈ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਰਾਮੁ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਸਭੈ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਕਹਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਸੋਈ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]॥[/FONT][FONT=&quot]੧੯੦[/FONT][FONT=&quot]॥[/FONT]​
So▫ī rām sabẖai kahėh so▫ī ka▫uṯakhār. ||190||​
Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190||​

[FONT=&quot]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਰਾਮੈ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਰਾਮ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਕਹੁ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਕਹਿਬੇ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਮਾਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਬਿਬੇਕ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]॥[/FONT]​
Kabīr rāmai rām kaho kahibe māhi bibek.​
Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.​

[FONT=&quot]ਏਕੁ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਅਨੇਕਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਮਿਲਿ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਗਇਆ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਏਕ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਸਮਾਨਾ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ਏਕ[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]॥[/FONT][FONT=&quot]੧੯੧[/FONT][FONT=&quot]॥[/FONT]​
Ėk anekėh mil ga▫i▫ā ek samānā ek. ||191||​
One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191||​

(SGGS, Salok Kabir Ji, p. 1374).​


Here Bhagat ji cleared Again that one ram[god] is everywhere and other Ram[chander ji]Contained only in himself
defiantly Guru ji used Word RAm as a God But Guru ji never Accepted Ram chander ji as a God,,
There is Diffrence Between Ram Chander ji
and Ram [which is as a god] in Gurbani
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
Pehla apna Granth update kar layiye, Jis vich likhiya Guru Nanak dev ji nu Gur Gaddi is layi mili si ke uhna de purvajan ne Sodhi raaje nu 4 Ved sunaye si..

Source - Bachitar Natak - Dasam.
Nanak ji nu gurgaddi kine diti c...? Tusi ? :lol2
 

Dhillon

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Nanak ji nu gurgaddi kine diti c...? Tusi ? :lol2

Nah, Sodhi Raje ne keha ke kyuki Bediyan ne mainu 4 Ved suneya is layi pehli chaar gaddiyan Bediyan diya,

So first 4 guru were Ikk Jot. te badh de 6 hor.

personally I find it quite absurd, par bhaji Granth vich ta eehi likhiya
 

Dhillon

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Punjab to bahar jinne Hindu mandar aa otthe roz langar chalda???

My response was to this--

veere sggs da ta pata nai but pind ch agar gurughar ne othe langar bhi lagda eh hisab nahi ke sirf ameer lalle hi aa sakde andar , mere pind kol guru ghar aa othe koi din ehda da nai jad langar nai lagda hospital aa ilaaz muft hunda , mandir ch pooria choole gau mata nu paa deen ge kise graeeb de ghar nai jaan dinde kehri gal karde oo veere :-?

Not true, kai mandari vich roj langar hunda,
kai charitable trust bhi bane hoye, yateem bacheya layi.
 
How could a formless God have 'Beautiful long hairs' mainu bhi clear kardo.


akaar to rehat formless jisdi koi khaas form nai hai...... kuch v ho sakda kise v tarah byaan kita ja sakda

ਏਕ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀਨ ਰੂਪ ਅਨੇਕ ॥
एक मूरति अनेक दरसन कीन रूप अनेक ॥
Thou, the One Entity, appearest as Many creating innumerable forms.

ਖੇਲ ਖੇਲਿ ਅਖੇਲ ਖੇਲਨ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਫਿਰਿ ਏਕ ॥੮੧॥
खेल खेलि अखेल खेलन अंत को फिरि एक ॥८१॥
After playing the world-drama, when Thou wilt stop the play, Thou wilt be the same One again.81.
 

Dhillon

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akaar to rehat formless jisdi koi khaas form nai hai...... kuch v ho sakda kise v tarah byaan kita ja sakda

ਏਕ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀਨ ਰੂਪ ਅਨੇਕ ॥
एक मूरति अनेक दरसन कीन रूप अनेक ॥
Thou, the One Entity, appearest as Many creating innumerable forms.

ਖੇਲ ਖੇਲਿ ਅਖੇਲ ਖੇਲਨ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਫਿਰਿ ਏਕ ॥੮੧॥
खेल खेलि अखेल खेलन अंत को फिरि एक ॥८१॥
After playing the world-drama, when Thou wilt stop the play, Thou wilt be the same One again.81.

Hindu bhi eehi ni kende ?
 
Nah, Sodhi Raje ne keha ke kyuki Bediyan ne mainu 4 Ved suneya is layi pehli chaar gaddiyan Bediyan diya,

So first 4 guru were Ikk Jot. te badh de 6 hor.

personally I find it quite absurd, par bhaji Granth vich ta eehi likhiya


again indra te RSS di gal sach ho gyi asar bahut hoya
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
Nah, Sodhi Raje ne keha ke kyuki Bediyan ne mainu 4 Ved suneya is layi pehli chaar gaddiyan Bediyan diya,

So first 4 guru were Ikk Jot. te badh de 6 hor.

personally I find it quite absurd, par bhaji Granth vich ta eehi likhiya
TIP : For fellow students
Whenever you feel absurd (if you dont then there is something wrong) yan jado koi gal gale de thale na nikle
1) yan taan pankti galat pov ton par rahe a
2) yan pankti di viakhea or translation is not correct
3) yan fer pankti galat a
4) gyan di kami a eg banda kehnda jeun lai hawa chaihdi....ik knowledge vala banda kejnda hawa nai oxygen chaidi
Ohne kehna mein te 4000 saal ton hawa sunda ayea c...chakk k leja apni aaakcigenn
Dubidha j hegi a....then start under vichaardhara of adi
For example
Sabb te vadda satgur nanak
Satguru nanak is the highest
Gal pachi jehi nai..... It must be one of the points described above
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
If you hveno dubidha ...then yiu are not reading it right....
Tu samrath vada...meri matt thori raam
Pata te kanne da nai ...? And dubidha nai ?
Bachutar natak iko ik natak aa jehra dharam de uper kehelea geya.....baki sare natak ...mein naam nai lena...app seyane aa tusi....dharam ton gir gaye.. naam le ee lena gita lol
Vadde vadde soormea nu bachiyar vapis mool manter val bhej dinda....
Dharamyudh ho reha bachitar natak vich....mehsoos keeta
 
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