क्या राम भगवान था ?

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
ki kise jeev da maas kise dharam de naam te khana changi gall hai ?

pata nai chngi aa k marri aa
here is what nanak says about it
and o dharam de naam te nai khande .... jado daed saal ghere bandi hove na.....pata odo lagda ki khana te ki nai
anyhow ... here is what nanak says
ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੧ ॥ Shalok, First Mehl:
ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮਿਆ ਮਾਸੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਵਾਸੁ ॥ First, the mortal is conceived in the flesh, and then he dwells in the flesh.
ਜੀਉ ਪਾਇ ਮਾਸੁ ਮੁਹਿ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹਡੁ ਚੰਮੁ ਤਨੁ ਮਾਸੁ ॥ When he comes alive, his mouth takes flesh; his bones, skin and body are flesh.
ਮਾਸਹੁ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਢਿਆ ਮੰਮਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਗਿਰਾਸੁ ॥ He comes out of the womb of flesh, and takes a mouthful of flesh at the breast.
ਮੁਹੁ ਮਾਸੈ ਕਾ ਜੀਭ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੀ ਮਾਸੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਾਸੁ ॥ His mouth is flesh, his tongue is flesh; his breath is in the flesh.
ਵਡਾ ਹੋਆ ਵੀਆਹਿਆ ਘਰਿ ਲੈ ਆਇਆ ਮਾਸੁ ॥ He grows up and is married, and brings his wife of flesh into his home.
ਮਾਸਹੁ ਹੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਸਭੋ ਸਾਕੁ ॥ Flesh is produced from flesh; all relatives are made of flesh.
ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਬੁਝੀਐ ਤਾਂ ਕੋ ਆਵੈ ਰਾਸਿ ॥ When the mortal meets the True Guru, and realizes the Hukam of the Lord's Command, then he comes to be reformed.
ਆਪਿ ਛੁਟੇ ਨਹ ਛੂਟੀਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਚਨਿ ਬਿਣਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ Releasing himself, the mortal does not find release; O Nanak, through empty words, one is ruined. ||1||
ਮਃ ੧ ॥ First Mehl:
ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.
ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥ What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?
ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.
ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥ Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.
ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.
ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥ O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.
ਅੰਧਾ ਸੋਇ ਜਿ ਅੰਧੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਸਿ ਲੋਚਨ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.
ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਕੀ ਰਕਤੁ ਨਿਪੰਨੇ ਮਛੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਨ ਖਾਂਹੀ ॥ They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat.

build your basics...we r discussing dharma ...no joke

and again ...wut were you saying about vishwaas and sharda ?
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
Good Good. vaise bhi tuhadda little knowledge dangerous thing wala kamm ho reha, on Hindu religion subject,

i dont want to spend 2 hours for a person who would forget it in next 24 hours....
if someone else had the same question, i d have provided the evidence ....
naal eeyane dosti ...kade na ave raass
sorry about that ..and my limited knowledge
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
Staff member
@*Sippu*

ਦੇਵਾ ਪਾਹਨ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
You made stones float.


ਰਾਮ ਕਹਤ ਜਨ ਕਸ ਨ ਤਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Chanting Ram, Why man would not float.


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@n@@m

unknown but known to all
Bro what we are doing here.....:hassa same thing i know i am not much qualified to answer them so jinna ku pata das dinda te baki puchke je fer vi na mile taan bolda haan ae book parh lo.:) i dnt want to give wrong info.as baki janta vi parhdi hi aa.
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
@*Sippu*

ਦੇਵਾ ਪਾਹਨ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
You made stones float.


ਰਾਮ ਕਹਤ ਜਨ ਕਸ ਨ ਤਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Chanting Ram, Why man would not float.


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ਦੇਵਾ akheer ch kanna lageya .......
ਕਹਤ
ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥
esto aglian pankita ch krishan di gal ho rahi aa...
eda matlab ram krishan da rabb aa
damaag khol k ...te uprian te hetlian do do panktian parr k...so unfortunate
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
mudda tan ohi hai, kujh dharam de thekkedar janta nu gumraah karde aa.. :n

kabeer kasauti raam ki ...
tusi jawab devo fer..... well educated people....ethe gal karo ..jawab devo ..
j koi kahe k rumale na charrao te gumrah ?
j koi kahe k moorti nu dudh na pilao te gumrah?
j koi kahe k vidva da mundan na karo te gumrah ?
j kahiye k shuder nu v naal bithao pandit de te gumrah ?

sabb ton vaddh gumrah te fer nanak ne keeta...
being a human and upashak of patshai 10 ...mere ton te nahi dekh hundi eni andhi lutt....
pata nai kithey aa humanity jehri saati vargi shardha te vishwas nu allow kardi aa
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
Staff member
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ਦੇਵਾ akheer ch kanna lageya .......
ਕਹਤ
ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥
esto aglian pankita ch krishan di gal ho rahi aa...
eda matlab ram krishan da rabb aa
damaag khol k ...te uprian te hetlian do do panktian parr k

According to Hindu Mythology, Ram and Krishan are one. Avatars of Vishnu. So no surprise here.

Saun ja hunn Mahaj, baki mainu kall nu samja deyin :p
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
According to Hindu Mythology, Ram and Krishan are one. Avatars of Vishnu. So no surprise here.

Saun ja hunn Mahaj, baki mainu kall nu samja deyin :p

exactly if they are same...then ram krishan da rab kiven ho geya.....damaag khol k veere...surprised ...
sadly not accoring to sikhism
and its not ram
it should be RAMA krishna (kanna lagna raam de )
we are on basics kannea tippian te ....and i made mistake to discuss dasam with you
so unfortunate that people think i m here to surprise them
 

Jaswinder Singh Baidwan

Akhran da mureed
Staff member
kabeer kasauti raam ki ...
tusi jawab devo fer..... well educated people....ethe gal karo ..jawab devo ..
j koi kahe k rumale na charrao te gumrah ?
j koi kahe k moorti nu dudh na pilao te gumrah?
j koi kahe k vidva da mundan na karo te gumrah ?
j kahiye k shuder nu v naal bithao pandit de te gumrah ?

sabb ton vaddh gumrah te fer nanak ne keeta...
being a human and upashak of patshai 10 ...mere ton te nahi dekh hundi eni andhi lutt....
pata nai kithey aa humanity jehri saati vargi shardha te vishwas nu allow kardi aa

veer mein tan keha hi nhi gayani aa mein... yaa well educated aa...
mainu tan sirf enna pta rabb ikk wishwas hai.. sharadha naal jis marzi te kar lao...

shayad tusi meri gall nu kise hor hi passe le gye :pop

and m agree on ol dese following points.. mein kad ehna de favour di gall kitti ?
"j koi kahe k rumale na charrao te gumrah ?
j koi kahe k moorti nu dudh na pilao te gumrah?
j koi kahe k vidva da mundan na karo te gumrah ?
j kahiye k shuder nu v naal bithao pandit de te gumrah ?"
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
Staff member
exactly if they are same...then ram krishan da rab kiven ho geya.....damaag khol k veere...surprised ...
sadly not accoring to sikhism
and its not ram
it should be RAMA krishna (kanna lagna raam de )
we are on basics kannea tippian te ....and i made mistake to discuss dasam with you
so unfortunate that people think i m here to surprise them

this:--
चरन बधिक जन तेऊ मुकति भए ॥
The hunter who shot Krishna in the foot - even he was liberated.

Krishan ni mukt hoya, hunter mukt ho gaya,

Mahabharat ni dekhi ?
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
veer mein tan keha hi nhi gayani aa mein... yaa well educated aa...
mainu tan sirf enna pta rabb ikk wishwas hai.. sharadha naal jis marzi te kar lao...

shayad tusi meri gall nu kise hor hi passe le gye :pop

and m agree on ol dese following points.. mein kad ehna de favour di gall kitti ?
"j koi kahe k rumale na charrao te gumrah ?
j koi kahe k moorti nu dudh na pilao te gumrah?
j koi kahe k vidva da mundan na karo te gumrah ?
j kahiye k shuder nu v naal bithao pandit de te gumrah ?"
gurbani nai mandi aa gal ...vadia vishwas a ....fer jado gurbani discuss ho rahi hove ..othe menu pata tenu pata nai chalda
africa vali post da jawab de dinde..mai nai kharda kise bane ...
favour di gal eda k ee sare sharda te vishwas cho upje aa
well educated nu eni gal samj aa jani chaidi aa
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
this:--


Krishan ni mukt hoya, hunter mukt ho gaya,

Mahabharat ni dekhi ?
mere valo sara tabbar mukt hoje...ode naal panktian te nai badal jania
teer krishan de vajea ...maafi raam de reha ....good ..
for instance
ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਪਾਪੀ ਜਗੁ ਜਾਨੇ ਨਿਮਖ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਾ ॥
 

Jaswinder Singh Baidwan

Akhran da mureed
Staff member
gurbani nai mandi aa gal ...vadia vishwas a ....fer jado gurbani discuss ho rahi hove ..othe menu pata tenu pata nai chalda
africa vali post da jawab de dinde..mai nai kharda kise bane ...
favour di gal eda k ee sare sharda te vishwas cho upje aa
well educated nu eni gal samj aa jani chaidi aa

shardha n vishvas eh nhi kehndi ki tusi eh sab kro,, ehnu vishvas nhi andh vishvas keha janda..

u taking me wrong here..
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
@jaswinderbaidwan
noh...you are getting right now
tusi te veere ...shardha nu kehnde c k kite v ho sakdi bhavein sippu di photo naal
hun andh vishvaas te vishvaas ch pata lag geya
nice...keep it up
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
Staff member
ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਪਾਪੀ ਜਗੁ ਜਾਨੇ ਨਿਮਖ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਾ ॥

yes yes, Ajamal and Ganikka, and the Hunch Back :)
ithe Narayan te ohde avatara di gall ho rahi..

To understand Gurbani you need good knowledge of Hindu Mythology :)
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
yes yes, Ajamal and Ganikka, and the Hunch Back :)
ithe Narayan te ohde avatara di gall ho rahi..

To understand Gurbani you need good knowledge of Hindu Mythology :)

you are more than interested in metaphors, arent you :P .....even knowlegde of Muslim religion is required..nuthing bad in it bro
even gurbani te mandi aa k muslim mara mota fer v chnga
hindu anna turk kanna
hanna ?
but eni v knowlegde huni chaidi aa k
deva nu kanna lageya
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
Staff member
lol, jadh hor koi logic ni milda ta Hindu Anna :p

Challo gallan gallan vich eh ta pata laggeya ke Kabeer da Rabb Vishnu hai.- The beautiful long haired Lord.
 
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