Granth or Granths ?

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
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Gur Nanak Puran Avtar...Agaya Pai Akaal Ki Tabhi Chalayo Panth Sabb Sikhon Ko hukam hai Guru Maneyo Granth”. (granth - plural - more than one scripture)
Dohra: Aad Guru ( Guru Granth Sahib Ji) te Dasam ( Sri Dasam Granth Ji) Loh Granth
( loh - sarbloh, all light granth) Panth Ki Tek. Gehe Puran Thiya Granth Yeh Daya Sarb Har Ek”.

Above two verses are from Suraj parkash, further reiterated by Giani Gian Singh in Panth Parkash stating “treat the three saroops Guru Granth Sahib, Sri Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth as one (Har-Lord)”


gur mMqR
Gur Mantar

vwihgurU gur mMqR hY ]
Whahiguru Gur Mantar ha

jpu haumy koeI ]
Jap Haumeh koi

vwihgur
Whahiguru

Purmwn dsmyS jI dw ]
Furmaan dasmesh Ji da

ibsnpd puinAW kI kMnSt kMniBAwc ]
Bisan pad punyaki kansht kanbhaayach

klp klp ipRQ AKIicr khI ]
Kilap kilap prith akhichir kahee

sRI gur nwnk jipau shI ]
Sri Gur nanak japyo sihee

swA mMqR pRB KwlsIh DInw ]
Saa mantar prab khalseh Dheena

vwihgur pd pvn kInw ]
Whahiguru pad pavan keena
(sri sarbloh granth. Patsai 10 ang 642.)
The above is an instruction to the Khalsa Panth to recite (jap) the Whahiguru mantar.
This website has been instructed and approved by Tarna Dal Jathedar Baba Makhan Singh, Meet Jathedar Baba Gajan Singh and Head Giani of Sant Samaaj and Tarna Dal Baba Rann Singh Ji.
Also-
Jathedar Baba Gurdayal Singh Ji of Budha Dal Tat Khalsa.
Jathedar Baba Kulwant Singh Ji of Takath Hazoor Sahib ji.
Sant Baba Gurdev Singh ji of Shaheedi Bhaag, Anandpur Sahib

-Our aim is to disseminate Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh ji’s Sri Sarbloh Bani to the wider audience especially for those who cannot read it in Gurmuki and to create awareness of the Sri Sarbloh Granth sahib ji origin.
Over the last 100 years or more, the Generic Saadh Sangat has forgotten about the Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh Ji Bani Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib ji and Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji.
However even today , subconsciously we have always recited various shabads from sri sarbloh Granth sahib ji such as “ Khalsa mera roop hai kaas “ , Whahiguru Mantar (ang 642) and Akaal Shabad (ang 176)

In the past The Guru’s Fauj (Guru Khalsa Dal Panth) has safe guarded Sri Sarbloh Granth Ji as they did not want the knowledge (bani) falling into the hands of their enemies.
The Guru Khalsa Dal Panth, Takath Hazoor Sahib and Dal Baba Bidi Chand have always maintained the traditions of reciting Sri Sarbloh Granth ji as well as Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji from the Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh ji time.
It was only recently that Akali Nihang Jathedar Baba Santa Singh released Sri Sarbloh Bani in volumes, for the benefit of Guru Khalsa Panth., To whom we are grateful for allowing this seva to continue on.

Many traditions and even the Ardaas is from Dasam and Sarbloh Granth So is it apt that its Guru manyo Granths ?


Please share your views.
 

pps309

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My 2 cents: Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji is Puran Guru, and not only for Sikhs but whole entirety, if you read or listen to it in entirety it teaches to whole world (updesh chau varna ko saanjha). It tells Jeevan-jaanch to Hindus and Muslims also. Jitthe eh Hindu nu janeu, vart te tirath de sahi mayane dasda ke vart kehra changa te tirath kehra changa..otthe hi eh Musalman nu namaz te roje di jaanch v dasda ke .......... sirf 5 vakt 2 ghadiya di namaz yaa 1 mahine de roze naal nahi sarna......eh soch 8 pehar naal rakhni paini.

I was thinking that if whole Punjab & Sikhs were left in Pakistan then Muslims would have claimed Sikhs to be there part as Hindus claim today. Reason is again obvious, the SGGS which has global approach. Whoever reads, listen to SGGS feels he/she belongs to SGGS & vice-versa.

Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth are more specific to Sikh, ke Sikh de ki farz aa, Sikh nu kidda rehna, ki ku-rehat aa te ki rehat aa etc etc. They maintains a separate identity of Sikhs. These granths has strict code of conduct. Neither Hindu nor Musalman claims it to be there granth because they will not follow it, or live like an Amritdhari Sikh.

Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth are definitely for Sikhs, but I don't see them as Puran Guru, sarab kala samrtah. They are more like younger brother to SGGS. Inspired by same "Ik-Onkaar Satgur Parsad".
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
there is and should not be any doubt on the sovereignty of SGGS ..... and dasam is granth for khalsa ...same is calculus is for grade 12
 

userid114437

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Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth are more specific to Sikh, ke Sikh de ki farz aa, Sikh nu kidda rehna, ki ku-rehat aa te ki rehat aa etc etc. They maintains a separate identity of Sikhs. These granths has strict code of conduct. Neither Hindu nor Musalman claims it to be there granth because they will not follow it, or live like an Amritdhari Sikh.

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Paji yaar neyane lai aukha kari jane aa
mukt hon lai amritdhari hona jaroori aa!! Rite????!
Matlab amritdhari hoke gurbani nu smjh ke jiwan vich dhal ke mukt ho sakda ,,haina???
Ehda matlab koi v (hindu muslim)kalla sggs padh ke samajh ke mukt nai ho sakda?????
Dasam padhna pau ????
:thinking
 

pps309

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Paji yaar neyane lai aukha kari jane aa
mukt hon lai amritdhari hona jaroori aa!! Rite????!
Matlab amritdhari hoke gurbani nu smjh ke jiwan vich dhal ke mukt ho sakda ,,haina???
Ehda matlab koi v (hindu muslim)kalla sggs padh ke samajh ke mukt nai ho sakda?????
Dasam padhna pau ????
:thinking
mukt hon lai khande batte di pahul shakni jaruri nahi........Dasve Pitah de bache banan lai jaruri aa...

SGGS says "Prabh bhave ta patit udhare". Pella v aapa gal kiti aa, Bhagat Namdev, Kabir ji bare..ki eh sab v mukt hoye hone aa. Ohna ne khande batte di pahul nahi si saki.

Amrit Shakna is a love for Guru Gobind Singh, following his orders (as all Sikhs are supposed to follow 10 Gurus and SGGS), and it is purely a Sikh religious thing. Whereas Mukt hona is spiritual thing and spirituality is not bound to only Sikh religion.
 

userid114437

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mukt hon lai khande batte di pahul shakni jaruri nahi........Dasve Pitah de bache banan lai jaruri aa...

SGGS says "Prabh bhave ta patit udhare". Pella v aapa gal kiti aa, Bhagat Namdev, Kabir ji bare..ki eh sab v mukt hoye hone aa. Ohna ne khande batte di pahul nahi si saki.

Amrit Shakna is a love for Guru Gobind Singh, following his orders (as all Sikhs are supposed to follow 10 Gurus and SGGS), and it is purely a Sikh religious thing. Whereas Mukt hona is spiritual thing and spirituality is not bound to only Sikh religion.
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਵੇਮੁਖੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਵੈ ॥
ਪਾਵੈ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਰ ਥੈ ਕੋਈ ਪੁਛਹੁ ਬਿਬੇਕੀਆ ਜਾਏ ॥
ਅਨੇਕ ਜੂਨੀ ਭਰਮਿ ਆਵੈ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥
ਫਿਰਿ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਪਾਏ ਲਾਗਿ ਚਰਣੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਬਦੁ ਸੁਣਾਏ ॥
ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥੨੨॥

Matlab guru vale ban ke mukt ho sakde(amrit shak ke)
Or ess de koi hor arth aa
:thinking
 

pps309

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ਜੇ ਕੋ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਵੇਮੁਖੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਵੈ ॥
ਪਾਵੈ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਰ ਥੈ ਕੋਈ ਪੁਛਹੁ ਬਿਬੇਕੀਆ ਜਾਏ ॥
ਅਨੇਕ ਜੂਨੀ ਭਰਮਿ ਆਵੈ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥
ਫਿਰਿ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਪਾਏ ਲਾਗਿ ਚਰਣੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਬਦੁ ਸੁਣਾਏ ॥
ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥੨੨॥

Matlab guru vale ban ke mukt ho sakde(amrit shak ke)
Or ess de koi hor arth aa
:thinking
do you mean:
amrit shakna = khande batte di pahul????

Then I would like to clarify here, I think that is Amrit Sanskar. Ohdo assi Gatre Kirpan paa ke, 5 kakkar saja ke ik vachan kita Guru Sahib de naal ke aj to main tera, mera ser v tera. (Jo tu kahe soi bhal maane).
Amrit shakaun vele v ehi dasde aa ke bhai aj tusi khande batte di pahul saki aa, hun nitnem de rehat de pakke rehna. Bani da abhyas karna, te Amrit bani cho milna hai.

Bhagar Kabir, Namdev ji hona nu Amrit di prapti nahi hoi honi?? jarur hoyi honi. Par khande batte di pahul nahi si lai honi.

Par sadde te ohna mahapursha ch Guru Sahibana ne ik tabdili laya ti, oh aa ke saanu sipahi v bana taa. Gatre payi kirpan sipahi hon di nishani aa, par Amritdhari hon di nahi ;)
Jehra otthe Amrit Sakya ohnu sari umar naal carry kidda karoge? Je carry nahi kita taa Amritdhari kidda??, fer ta sirf Amrit Shakya hi siga......

SGGS sahib ji Amrit peen di gal karde ne....."Amrit Peevo sada chir jeevo", Par Dasam Granth ch khande batte di pahul shakan da v hukam aa, "Peevo pahul khnade dhaar, hove janam suhela. Wah wah Gobind Singh aape Gur Chela"

Eh hi farak hai, SGGS te Dasam Granth ch. SGGS ji ess pure sansar de Guru han jinna da updesh sab nu hai. Te Dasam Granth apne Khalse nu vachan karde han. Essi lai main apni pehli post ch likhya c ke SGGS puran Guru han te baki Granth ohna de shotte bhai ne (kyunki concept iko naal jurre aa, inspire iko (IkOnkaar) to ne, te osse da sadka (Satgur Parsad) rache gaye ne)

P.S: Not saying Amrit nahi shakna chaida, jarur shakna chaida. I myself had (Amritpaan) Khande batte di pahul, and continuing my life with 5 Kakkars. I believe Har Sikh nu shakna chaida, kyunki Dasve pita ji 5-pyare de roop ch aap shaka rahe han, saanu apna naam dinde han. Aj to thode pita ji Guru Gobind Singh te Mata Sahib Kaur han. Pyar di khed aa. Pyar ch banda ki kuch nahi karda. Je Pyar hi nahi, fer bhaave ciggrate, sharab te patit pune ch jidda marji firi jao. Sikha di ik identity aa, jo sade Guru Sahib ne apne hatha naal tyar kiti, ohnu kidda visar sakde ho.
 

userid80978

Well-known member
do you mean:
amrit shakna = khande batte di pahul????

Then I would like to clarify here, I think that is Amrit Sanskar. Ohdo assi Gatre Kirpan paa ke, 5 kakkar saja ke ik vachan kita Guru Sahib de naal ke aj to main tera, mera ser v tera. (Jo tu kahe soi bhal maane).
Amrit shakaun vele v ehi dasde aa ke bhai aj tusi khande batte di pahul saki aa, hun nitnem de rehat de pakke rehna. Bani da abhyas karna, te Amrit bani cho milna hai.

Bhagar Kabir, Namdev ji hona nu Amrit di prapti nahi hoi honi?? jarur hoyi honi. Par khande batte di pahul nahi si lai honi.

Par sadde te ohna mahapursha ch Guru Sahibana ne ik tabdili laya ti, oh aa ke saanu sipahi v bana taa. Gatre payi kirpan sipahi hon di nishani aa, par Amritdhari hon di nahi ;)
Jehra otthe Amrit Sakya ohnu sari umar naal carry kidda karoge? Je carry nahi kita taa Amritdhari kidda??, fer ta sirf Amrit Shakya hi siga......

SGGS sahib ji Amrit peen di gal karde ne....."Amrit Peevo sada chir jeevo", Par Dasam Granth ch khande batte di pahul shakan da v hukam aa, "Peevo pahul khnade dhaar, hove janam suhela. Wah wah Gobind Singh aape Gur Chela"

Eh hi farak hai, SGGS te Dasam Granth ch. SGGS ji ess pure sansar de Guru han jinna da updesh sab nu hai. Te Dasam Granth apne Khalse nu vachan karde han. Essi lai main apni pehli post ch likhya c ke SGGS puran Guru han te baki Granth ohna de shotte bhai ne (kyunki concept iko naal jurre aa, inspire iko (IkOnkaar) to ne, te osse da sadka (Satgur Parsad) rache gaye ne)

P.S: Not saying Amrit nahi shakna chaida, jarur shakna chaida. I myself had (Amritpaan) Khande batte di pahul, and continuing my life with 5 Kakkars. I believe Har Sikh nu shakna chaida, kyunki Dasve pita ji 5-pyare de roop ch aap shaka rahe han, saanu apna naam dinde han. Aj to thode pita ji Guru Gobind Singh te Mata Sahib Kaur han. Pyar di khed aa. Pyar ch banda ki kuch nahi karda. Je Pyar hi nahi, fer bhaave ciggrate, sharab te patit pune ch jidda marji firi jao. Sikha di ik identity aa, jo sade Guru Sahib ne apne hatha naal tyar kiti, ohnu kidda visar sakde ho.
Matlab amrit shakna(amrit paan karna) sikh da pehla farz aa. Te fer abheas karke naam roopi amrit peeve in easy wording means ke amrit paan karke sikh guru de skool cha admision le lenda fer sgss ohnu padonde a??

Ik gal hor dasso paji.
Ik """"SIKH""""" bina khande batte di paul laye mukt ho sakda?? :thinking
 

pps309

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Matlab amrit shakna(amrit paan karna) sikh da pehla farz aa. Te fer abheas karke naam roopi amrit peeve in easy wording means ke amrit paan karke sikh guru de skool cha admision le lenda fer sgss ohnu padonde a??

Ik gal hor dasso paji.
Ik """"SIKH""""" bina khande batte di paul laye mukt ho sakda?? :thinking
Jidde naal pyar hunda osdi gallan mani diya ke nahi, Guru nu pyar karan vala ta Guru di gal v jarur manega te Amritpaan v karega.

MUKTI:
kal tak main mukti nu lai kar boht confuse c. Aj apni last post karan to baad mere mind ch ik khayal aaya ke Guru di Sikhya ik Sikh nu mukti de picche nahi laaundi. Guru da Sikh har kamm mukti nu dimag ch rakh ke naa kare. Guru ne aisa Sikh sajaya jisnu mukti aap labh lendi aa, ohnu conscious hoke labhni nahi paindi. Ulta mukti aap Guru de Sikh kol aake jurr jaandi. Sikh da jeevan sehaj hi usnu mukt bana dinda.

Kudarti mainu aj Bani da eh shabad v sunan nu milya:
raaj n chaaho mukath n chaaho man preeth charan kamalaarae ||
I do not seek power, and I do not seek liberation. My mind is in love with Your Lotus Feet.
 

pps309

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Here is the full Shabad:

This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Dayv Gandhaaree on Pannaa 534


Dayv-Gandhaaree, Fifth Mehla:

a(n)mrithaa pria bachan thuhaarae ||
O Beloved, Your Words are Ambrosial Nectar.

ath su(n)dhar manamohan piaarae sabhehoo madhh niraarae ||1|| rehaao ||
O supremely beautiful Enticer, O Beloved, You are among all, and yet distinct from all. ||1||Pause||

raaj n chaaho mukath n chaaho man preeth charan kamalaarae ||
I do not seek power, and I do not seek liberation. My mind is in love with Your Lotus Feet.

breham mehaes sidhh mun ei(n)dhraa mohi t(h)aakur hee dharasaarae ||1||
Brahma, Shiva, the Siddhas, the silent sages and Indra - I seek only the Blessed Vision of my Lord and Master's Darshan. ||1||

dheen dhuaarai aaeiou t(h)aakur saran pariou sa(n)th haarae ||
I have come, helpless, to Your Door, O Lord Master; I am exhausted - I seek the Sanctuary of the Saints.

kahu naanak prabh milae manohar man seethal bigasaarae ||2||3||29||
Says Nanak, I have met my Enticing Lord God; my mind is cooled and soothed - it blossoms forth in joy. ||2||3||29||
 

Dhillon

Dhillon Sa'aB™
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Don't want to create another topic so ithe hi puch lenna.

Mukti ki hai ? Why so important to attain 'Mukti' ?
 

pps309

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Don't want to create another topic so ithe hi puch lenna.

Mukti ki hai ? Why so important to attain 'Mukti' ?
tusi daddo mukti ki honi??

Mere hisab naal jo loki mukti di gal karde, oh karde aa ke maran to baad fer janam nahi lena....janam-maran de chakkar to shutt jana.

Duji mukti aa..............assa, mansa, vikara to.....

Pelli da pata nahi, duji mukti jaruri aa, jeevan sukhi ho jaanda. sukhi jeevan hoya ta change kamm hone, aan wala sama v sukhi ho jana..........."lok sukhiye, parlok suhele" aali gal ban jani.
 

userid114437

Well-known member
Jidde naal pyar hunda osdi gallan mani diya ke nahi, Guru nu pyar karan vala ta Guru di gal v jarur manega te Amritpaan v karega.

MUKTI:
kal tak main mukti nu lai kar boht confuse c. Aj apni last post karan to baad mere mind ch ik khayal aaya ke Guru di Sikhya ik Sikh nu mukti de picche nahi laaundi. Guru da Sikh har kamm mukti nu dimag ch rakh ke naa kare. Guru ne aisa Sikh sajaya jisnu mukti aap labh lendi aa, ohnu conscious hoke labhni nahi paindi. Ulta mukti aap Guru de Sikh kol aake jurr jaandi. Sikh da jeevan sehaj hi usnu mukt bana dinda.

Kudarti mainu aj Bani da eh shabad v sunan nu milya:
Still confused,,,
Je sikh mukti hasil kr sakda(jeunde jee vikaara toon-te janam maran di)fer amrit shakon te khalsa sajjon di ki lod pe gayi paji, je sikh sampuran c,,,koi taan hor bhedh hou ehde cha
:thinking
 
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