jattpunjabi
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cud u plz show that
Did Hindus/Sikhs Voluntarily Leave Pakistan
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cud u plz show that
gorakhnathdatilla
BIRHA TU SULTAN
jado tak veer ji asi punjabi (aah thalle waale bhaaji jattpunjabi wangu) sabh kujh wekh ke v andekhya karaange.. odo tak ehi kujh hona te odo tak sardaaran dian paggaan hi rulangian gurudwaraian wich.. mainu afsos hai main ehna lokaan wichaale aaya..
bai ji..meriyan tinn posts nai nazar aundian tuhanu jehdian uppar main saareyan de coments quote karke keetian? k baakian wangu tusi v changge bhale hunde hoye annhe bane baithhe ho?
Bhull Chukk Maaf
Simranjeet Singh.
SHauKeeN GaBRu
Chardi Kala
and.. thanks very much Bulle Shah bai ji for the nice articles and the rare info..
Bro...read Bulle Shahs'old posts...u'll find out urself
go to the religions section
jattpunjabi
Member
veere main manda ke kush deri ho gayi.......par akhirkaar taan kush hoya hai na......haan je mods ne nahin dhian kita taan dass veer........yaar tu highlight kitian theek hai......par ki kise ne unha vall dhyan nai ditta.....aahi taan veer tere mere vergiyaan di maadi gal aa......jo kamm nai hoya oh chakk lainde haan ate jeda ho gaya usnu goulde v nai.....mannia yaar mods kai vaar time utte edit nai kar sakde par karde taan hai na......hun oh posts sirf tere quoted messeges ch han.......ki tu chounda ke oh v edit kita jaave?...nd mera ih akan da ih matlab c ke je hun v hai taan dass ate tu mere utte hi......ate 22 dhyan naal vekh ke annah kaun aa....shad yaar 22
gorakhnathdatilla
BIRHA TU SULTAN
Bro...read Bulle Shahs'old posts...u'll find out urself
go to the religions section
i have read his 10-12 posts. none of them sounded so irrelevent to me that u cud call them 'crap' and 'bakwas' without even giving a look at them. that is why i was so shocked and sad on u guys' response towards his posts..
veer ji.. aje tak v oh jeda nz wali kudi ne recipe wala drama shuru keeta hoya ess thread wich oh delete nai keeta gya. te naale jehde lokaan ne 'crap' 'bakwaas' jahe word use keete ne ess post lai ohna dian posts edit ya delete nai keetian gaiyan. tusi dassna chahoge tusi edit ki kita hai?
Bhull Chukk Maaf
Simranjeet Singh.
jattpunjabi
Member
veer ji.. aje tak v oh jeda nz wali kudi ne recipe wala drama shuru keeta hoya ess thread wich oh delete nai keeta gya. te naale jehde lokaan ne 'crap' 'bakwaas' jahe word use keete ne ess post lai ohna dian posts edit ya delete nai keetian gaiyan. tusi dassna chahoge tusi edit ki kita hai?
Bhull Chukk Maaf
Simranjeet Singh.
well veer je kise ne isnu crap ya bakwas akia hai taan oh unha di individual soch aa........ate kise di soch nu aapan kive badal sakde haan???? har koi aapne vichar pesh kar sakda hai.....ih zaroori nai ke har koi kise post nu good hi akhuga......jo koi sochda hai likh dinda hai.......is ch mere khyal ch kush edit aran wala kush nai aa.......ate rahi gal dooji......veer bot hi asha hovega je tu aa ainkaa utaar ke vekh.....lagda 22g ke teri inha ainka da sheesha kush bala hi mota aa......jedian tu posts quote kitian han ki oh haigian hun???? ya koi recipe? bade afsos di gall aa ke tainu aje takk pata nai kithe nazar aayi jaandia
gorakhnathdatilla
BIRHA TU SULTAN
sat bachan bai ji.. thanks for editing and deleting those posts.. boht boht shukriya. ho sakda mere to galti hoi hove.. jis tarah ethhe saare kari jaande main v ek galti kart.. chalo.. veer jaanke maaf kar deo..
well veer je kise ne isnu crap ya bakwas akia hai taan oh unha di individual soch aa........ate kise di soch nu aapan kive badal sakde haan???? har koi aapne vichar pesh kar sakda hai.....ih zaroori nai ke har koi kise post nu good hi akhuga......jo koi sochda hai likh dinda hai.......is ch mere khyal ch kush edit aran wala kush nai aa.......ate rahi gal dooji......veer bot hi asha hovega je tu aa ainkaa utaar ke vekh.....lagda 22g ke teri inha ainka da sheesha kush bala hi mota aa......jedian tu posts quote kitian han ki oh haigian hun???? ya koi recipe? bade afsos di gall aa ke tainu aje takk pata nai kithe nazar aayi jaandia
hmmm.. main sochya si eh sensible te samjhdar lokaan di comm. aa.. par tusi ek kutta wekhke saare jaane ee kutta ban di sochi baithhe o?
not taking sides.. jus commenting on ur spamming.. with regards.
Bhull Chukk Maaf..
Daas
Simranjeet Singh.
tusi name change karkeee ahh gayeee pehla thanks likhde si hun bhul chukk maaf likhta ahh achi ghal ahh kisi nu bura bhalaa kahoo teh niche likh doh bhul chuk maaaf smirk smirk n mind ur language ji
i hve nuthin against u... u can prove ur point in a more decent n sensible manner
n this thread can be considered sensible only if some1 gives their view point not lke copy stuff off frm the internet n jus paste it over ere......ne1 can read it over the net its nuthin special jus go to google search n u can get woteva is being pasted over ere
i have read his 10-12 posts. none of them sounded so irrelevent to me that u cud call them 'crap' and 'bakwas' without even giving a look at them. that is why i was so shocked and sad on u guys' response towards his posts..
veer ji.. aje tak v oh jeda nz wali kudi ne recipe wala drama shuru keeta hoya ess thread wich oh delete nai keeta gya. te naale jehde lokaan ne 'crap' 'bakwaas' jahe word use keete ne ess post lai ohna dian posts edit ya delete nai keetian gaiyan. tusi dassna chahoge tusi edit ki kita hai?
Bhull Chukk Maaf
Simranjeet Singh.
teh thode ess new dramee nu ki naam deyieee....
app kaho teh non drama dujjaa kahee teh dramaaa smirk
gorakhnathdatilla
BIRHA TU SULTAN
chalo.. dhann bhaag tusi aapna gussa kaddh lya.. par shayad meri gal samjh lag gai hove ta hor v changa hove..
Waheguru Sumatt deve..
Bhull Chukk Maaf..
Simranjeet Singh.
Waheguru Sumatt deve..
Bhull Chukk Maaf..
Simranjeet Singh.
tusi name change karkeee ahh gayeee pehla thanks likhde si hun bhul chukk maaf likhta ahh achi ghal ahh kisi nu bura bhalaa kahoo teh niche likh doh bhul chuk maaaf smirk smirk n mind ur language ji
i hve nuthin against u... u can prove ur point in a more decent n sensible manner
n this thread can be considered sensible only if some1 gives their view point not lke copy stuff off frm the internet n jus paste it over ere......ne1 can read it over the net its nuthin special jus go to google search n u can get woteva is being pasted over ere
teh thode ess new dramee nu ki naam deyieee....
jattpunjabi
Member
tusi name change karkeee ahh gayeee pehla thanks likhde si hun bhul chukk maaf likhta ahh achi ghal ahh kisi nu bura bhalaa kahoo teh niche likh doh bhul chuk maaaf smirk smirk n mind ur language ji
i hve nuthin against u... u can prove ur point in a more decent n sensible manner
n this thread can be considered sensible only if some1 gives their view point not lke copy stuff off frm the internet n jus paste it over ere......ne1 can read it over the net its nuthin special jus go to google search n u can get woteva is being pasted over ere
lagda tainu koi bhulekha pia hai....main is 22 da intro thread padhia hai ate ih sikhpoint naal sub-editor hai....nd tu jo samajh rahi hain oh banda kush posts wich anti sikhi gallan karda hai....galatfehmi ch kise naal mada vateera karna koi boti ashi gal nai aa....mere khyal ch ih veer unp utte aya ate isnu poori gal da nai pata c ke janta kyu BS de khilaaf aa ate ih aa thread vekh ke likh ditta ke serious thread nai kharab nai chaida....vase main personally is veer di thinking like karda....ate mere khyal ch is 22 nu apne unp utte kaafi janta personally jandi hai....ate veer di haleemi vekh veer ne kis taran kinni shanti naal teri gal da jawab ditta.
jattpunjabi
Member
lao dasso hun..ih v koi gall hoyi TG .... mainu lagya ke shied tainu koi galtfehmi hoyi hai kyuke teri post padh ke lagya jiddan tu BS ate gndt nu ik hi banda samajh rahi hain..so main sirf dasna chahia..ki TG aini gal v nai aakh sakda????....sirf ik taan TG hai je oh v aouno hatt gaye taan sada ki banu???? aiven shotian gallan da gussa thoda karida hunda????
gorakhnathdatilla
BIRHA TU SULTAN
Gur Fateh Sonia Ji
Main sirf aina kehna hai.. ke je meri aakhi kise v gall karke tuhada dil dukhi hoya hove.. main kise v tareeke nal tuhanu offend keeta hove, ta main hatthh jod ke maafi mangda ha. I am really sorry.. my intentions were not to hurt you in person.. i never criticise the person, but i try to criticise and help his thought process to improve.
Bhull Chukk Maaf...
Tuhada Nimana Jiha Co-member,
Simranjeet Singh.
Main sirf aina kehna hai.. ke je meri aakhi kise v gall karke tuhada dil dukhi hoya hove.. main kise v tareeke nal tuhanu offend keeta hove, ta main hatthh jod ke maafi mangda ha. I am really sorry.. my intentions were not to hurt you in person.. i never criticise the person, but i try to criticise and help his thought process to improve.
Bhull Chukk Maaf...
Tuhada Nimana Jiha Co-member,
Simranjeet Singh.
pink puma
Elite
in regards to the partition of india, nothing was voluntary for 100% and everything happened according to a set of actions that had taken place beforehand. The British, the Muslim National league, the Sikhs, the Hindus, the Bengalis, everyone had a role in the partition of the country. and the actions of each of these actors led to consequent actions by the sikhs and hindus. my point is, it was a domino effect, and sikhs and hindus couldnt have just decided to leave Pakistan voluntarily. they didnt have the complete freedom to exercise in making that decision. rather, i believe their decision to leave pakistan was shaped by a number of factors and influences that arose from all directions and parties involved. everything was interdependent.
gorakhnathdatilla
BIRHA TU SULTAN
bilkul sahi kiha.. applause for ur views..
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pink puma & gorakhnathdatilla
Exchange of population or even driving out of Hindu and Sikh population from the Muslim State has from the beginning been inherent in the very conception of the State of Pakistan. When Pakistan was established, this inevitable finale to the process of its establishment was executed with equal zeal and collaboration by the people (Muslims) and. Government of Pakistan.
Muslim League leaders had long advocated exchange of population between Muslim and non-Muslim India. All those who advocated the establishment of a Muslim State also advocated as its necessary corollary the exchange of population. Rahmat Ali, Syed Abdul Latif, Mr. Jinnah, all these have been quoted earlier to have expressed strong and unmistakable views on this question of exchange of Muslim and non-Muslim populations so as to make the Muslim State more homogeneous, and to solve the minority problem.
Mr. Jinnah said, referring to the driving out of Hindus from Noakhali, that it was already transfer of population in action, and some machinery should be devised for effecting it peacefully and on a large scale. Though, it may be said here that this exchange was no real exchange-it was all the driving out of non-Muslims from Muslim majority zones.
Not only the Hindus and Sikhs, but even Christians did not find it easy to stay in Pakistan. That is because in the State of Pakistan, which Mr. Jinnah, speaking at Kingsway Hall, London in December, 1946 said, would contain one hundred million, all Muslims, can have no place in it for any non-Muslims. The following reports will make clear the plight of Christians in Pakistan.
Hindus and Sikhs and even Christians have been hounded out of West Punjab and the N.-W. F. Province according to a set scheme, in order firstly to make Pakistan a purely Muslim State, and secondly to get the property of non-Muslims for Muslims.
According to its original conception, Pakistan itself was to be larger than it turned out to be; it was to include Kashmir, Assam and Bengal in the East and Hyderabad and Malabar in the South and many independent Muslim states within the rest of the Indian territory. India, or whatever remained of India, was itself to be considered Dinia, an important Islamic concept. What it means is that it “would be the continent which, if not at the moment the home of an Islamic State, was such in immediate conception, waiting to be converted and subordinated to Islam through the proselytising and conquering zeal of its sons.
Muslim League politics did not initiate Muslim politics but was itself a part of this larger Muslim politics; it was neither the latter’s beginning nor its end but its continuation. Muslim politicians and scholars also see it this way. The starting point of Pakistan goes back over a thousand years to when Muhammad bin Qasim set foot on the soil of Sind and introduced Islam in the sub-continent.
” History of Pakistan: Past and Present, a typical textbook taught in Pakistan’s schools, begins the story of Pakistan with the “Advent of Islam”, giving exactly nine pages to “Pre-Islamic Civilization”, negatively presented as Jahiliya, an important Islamic concept and a name for all pre-Islamic period. Muslim scholars have also their own idea and version of Muslims’ freedom struggle and they equate it with the Muslim Empire. It began when Muslims lost their empire after Aurangzeb and partially ends with the establishment of Pakistan. Pakistan’s official “History of the Freedom Movement of Muslims in the Indo-Pakistan Sub-continent covering the period from the death of Emperor Aurangzeb in 1707 to the Establishment of Pakistan in 1947” reveals their approach.
Note : The information is sourced from the reprint of an old book compiled in 1947 by Sardar Gurbachan Singh Talib, Principal of the Lyallpur Khalsa College, Jullundur, and published in 1950 by the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC).
THE COMPLETE TEXT OF THE VOLUME
Thanks
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pink puma & gorakhnathdatilla
Exchange of population or even driving out of Hindu and Sikh population from the Muslim State has from the beginning been inherent in the very conception of the State of Pakistan. When Pakistan was established, this inevitable finale to the process of its establishment was executed with equal zeal and collaboration by the people (Muslims) and. Government of Pakistan.
Muslim League leaders had long advocated exchange of population between Muslim and non-Muslim India. All those who advocated the establishment of a Muslim State also advocated as its necessary corollary the exchange of population. Rahmat Ali, Syed Abdul Latif, Mr. Jinnah, all these have been quoted earlier to have expressed strong and unmistakable views on this question of exchange of Muslim and non-Muslim populations so as to make the Muslim State more homogeneous, and to solve the minority problem.
Mr. Jinnah said, referring to the driving out of Hindus from Noakhali, that it was already transfer of population in action, and some machinery should be devised for effecting it peacefully and on a large scale. Though, it may be said here that this exchange was no real exchange-it was all the driving out of non-Muslims from Muslim majority zones.
Not only the Hindus and Sikhs, but even Christians did not find it easy to stay in Pakistan. That is because in the State of Pakistan, which Mr. Jinnah, speaking at Kingsway Hall, London in December, 1946 said, would contain one hundred million, all Muslims, can have no place in it for any non-Muslims. The following reports will make clear the plight of Christians in Pakistan.
Hindus and Sikhs and even Christians have been hounded out of West Punjab and the N.-W. F. Province according to a set scheme, in order firstly to make Pakistan a purely Muslim State, and secondly to get the property of non-Muslims for Muslims.
According to its original conception, Pakistan itself was to be larger than it turned out to be; it was to include Kashmir, Assam and Bengal in the East and Hyderabad and Malabar in the South and many independent Muslim states within the rest of the Indian territory. India, or whatever remained of India, was itself to be considered Dinia, an important Islamic concept. What it means is that it “would be the continent which, if not at the moment the home of an Islamic State, was such in immediate conception, waiting to be converted and subordinated to Islam through the proselytising and conquering zeal of its sons.
Muslim League politics did not initiate Muslim politics but was itself a part of this larger Muslim politics; it was neither the latter’s beginning nor its end but its continuation. Muslim politicians and scholars also see it this way. The starting point of Pakistan goes back over a thousand years to when Muhammad bin Qasim set foot on the soil of Sind and introduced Islam in the sub-continent.
” History of Pakistan: Past and Present, a typical textbook taught in Pakistan’s schools, begins the story of Pakistan with the “Advent of Islam”, giving exactly nine pages to “Pre-Islamic Civilization”, negatively presented as Jahiliya, an important Islamic concept and a name for all pre-Islamic period. Muslim scholars have also their own idea and version of Muslims’ freedom struggle and they equate it with the Muslim Empire. It began when Muslims lost their empire after Aurangzeb and partially ends with the establishment of Pakistan. Pakistan’s official “History of the Freedom Movement of Muslims in the Indo-Pakistan Sub-continent covering the period from the death of Emperor Aurangzeb in 1707 to the Establishment of Pakistan in 1947” reveals their approach.
Note : The information is sourced from the reprint of an old book compiled in 1947 by Sardar Gurbachan Singh Talib, Principal of the Lyallpur Khalsa College, Jullundur, and published in 1950 by the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC).
THE COMPLETE TEXT OF THE VOLUME
Thanks
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___T0nY___
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Nice post 22 ji...keep it up...
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