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its not guru granthji.. its guru granth sahib ji.. cmon bro ur a sikh and u shd know dis ..
Bhai Gurdasji's explanation of WAHEGURU
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its not guru granthji.. its guru granth sahib ji.. cmon bro ur a sikh and u shd know dis ..
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Bulleshah aidhar v vekh........kush bro ih v zor layi jaande aa
Purushottam Nagesh Oak (born 2 March 1917), commonly referred to as P. N. Oak, is an Indian writer on history
He has written several books and articles about the history of India. His interest in rectifying what he believes to be "the biased and distorted versions of India's history produced by the invaders and colonizers" encouraged him to start the Institute for Rewriting Indian History in June 14, 1964. He says that in modern India secular and Marxist historians fabricated "idealized versions" of India's past and drained it of its Vedic context and content. Oak's work typically seeks to proclaim the virtues and achievements of Hindu culture and religion over other traditions.
He says that both Islam and Christianity originated as distortions of Vedic beliefs.
<DIR><DIR>He insists that the word Islam itself derives from the Sanskrit term "Ishalayam" meaning the Temple of God. He alleges that Kaaba in Mecca was originally a shrine to Shiva.[2]
He says that Christianity began as a form of devotion to Krishna. According to Oak, "Christianity is a mal-pronunciation of the Sanskrit term Chrisn-nity also spelled as Krishna-neeti. Since Bhagavad Geeta is the book of Krishna-neeti, what we know as Christianity is a fossiled, broken branch of the Vedic tree, and in fact the ancient Bhagavad Geeta cult." Oak argues that the Papacy was "a Vedic priesthood" until Constantine the Great killed the Vedic pope to replace him with the head of the hitherto unimportant Christian sect. This instantly ensured the Europe-wide triumph of Christianity because of the "sacred sway of the holy hoary Vedic priest known as the Shankaracharya".[3]
</DIR></DIR>He also says that the Taj Mahal and other buildings were actually shrines to Hindu deities that were converted. Oak also says that the tombs of Humayun, Akbar and Itmiad-u-Dallah — as well as "all historic buildings" in India — and also the Vatican in Rome,[4] the Kaaba in Mecca, and Stonehenge — were also Hindu temples or palaces.
<DIR>The Taj is only a typical illustration of how all historic buildings and townships from Kashmir to Cape Comorin though of Hindu origin have been ascribed to this or that Muslim ruler or courtier.[5]
</DIR>Considering the possibility that the Taj Mahal was not a Shiva temple, Oak says that it might then have been the palace of a Rajput king. In any case (he says), the Taj Mahal was Hindu in origin, stolen by Shah Jahan and adapted as a tomb — although Oak also says that Mumtaz is not buried there. Oak further states that the numerous eyewitness accounts of Taj Mahal construction, and Shah Jahan's construction orders and voluminous financial records, are elaborate frauds meant to hide its Hindu origin. Such assertions have gained a lot of popular interest and made Oak a well-known media figure.
Purushottam Nagesh Oak (born 2 March 1917), commonly referred to as P. N. Oak, is an Indian writer on history
He has written several books and articles about the history of India. His interest in rectifying what he believes to be "the biased and distorted versions of India's history produced by the invaders and colonizers" encouraged him to start the Institute for Rewriting Indian History in June 14, 1964. He says that in modern India secular and Marxist historians fabricated "idealized versions" of India's past and drained it of its Vedic context and content. Oak's work typically seeks to proclaim the virtues and achievements of Hindu culture and religion over other traditions.
He says that both Islam and Christianity originated as distortions of Vedic beliefs.
<DIR><DIR>He insists that the word Islam itself derives from the Sanskrit term "Ishalayam" meaning the Temple of God. He alleges that Kaaba in Mecca was originally a shrine to Shiva.[2]
He says that Christianity began as a form of devotion to Krishna. According to Oak, "Christianity is a mal-pronunciation of the Sanskrit term Chrisn-nity also spelled as Krishna-neeti. Since Bhagavad Geeta is the book of Krishna-neeti, what we know as Christianity is a fossiled, broken branch of the Vedic tree, and in fact the ancient Bhagavad Geeta cult." Oak argues that the Papacy was "a Vedic priesthood" until Constantine the Great killed the Vedic pope to replace him with the head of the hitherto unimportant Christian sect. This instantly ensured the Europe-wide triumph of Christianity because of the "sacred sway of the holy hoary Vedic priest known as the Shankaracharya".[3]
</DIR></DIR>He also says that the Taj Mahal and other buildings were actually shrines to Hindu deities that were converted. Oak also says that the tombs of Humayun, Akbar and Itmiad-u-Dallah — as well as "all historic buildings" in India — and also the Vatican in Rome,[4] the Kaaba in Mecca, and Stonehenge — were also Hindu temples or palaces.
<DIR>The Taj is only a typical illustration of how all historic buildings and townships from Kashmir to Cape Comorin though of Hindu origin have been ascribed to this or that Muslim ruler or courtier.[5]
</DIR>Considering the possibility that the Taj Mahal was not a Shiva temple, Oak says that it might then have been the palace of a Rajput king. In any case (he says), the Taj Mahal was Hindu in origin, stolen by Shah Jahan and adapted as a tomb — although Oak also says that Mumtaz is not buried there. Oak further states that the numerous eyewitness accounts of Taj Mahal construction, and Shah Jahan's construction orders and voluminous financial records, are elaborate frauds meant to hide its Hindu origin. Such assertions have gained a lot of popular interest and made Oak a well-known media figure.
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-- Kem da Gui --
thanx for da info jattpunjabi veer
a janta khaadi peeti ch keho ji history likh dindi
mera ta haasa ni rukreya Chrisn-nity
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it is a distortion of gurbani.....these words r parts of SGGS, but u changed the words......hai na?????
sahi words aa
You may stand and recite the Shaastras and the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny, but these are just worldly actions. Filth cannot be washed away by hypocrisy, O Siblings of Destiny; the filth of corruption and sin is within you. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 635)
The Pandits, the religious scholars, and the silent sages, reading and studying the Vedas, have grown weary. They do not even think of the Lord's Name; they do not dwell in the home of their own inner being. The Messenger of Death hovers over their heads; they are ruined by the deceit within themselves. ||7|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1277)
simply, i deleted your post.....we cant tolerate distortion of gurbani.......got it.
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thanx for da info jattpunjabi veer
a janta khaadi peeti ch keho ji history likh dindi
mera ta haasa ni rukreya Chrisn-nity
mera v iho haal hoya c padh ke veere......janta da sarya hi paya.......aithe taj mahal vergiaan movies bania........saare jaande aa ke isdi actual history ki aa.....22 ki pata history kiden badal jaani aa :
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oh guri te jattpunjab bai....
post de end ch THANX jarur likheya karo
post de end ch THANX jarur likheya karo
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If Nanak said this he sure was well versed in the Vedas :
"All ways be humble before the Bhagats being humble you will attain merit.
A evil person who slanders the Bhagats will be destroyed like Harnyaksh.
BRAHMA, son of a lotus [BRAHMA emerged from a lotus symbol of order out of chaos]VYAS [One of the greatest of Sanatan sages to whom were revealed the Sanatan scriptures VEDASand Mahabharat epic with Bhagvad GITA. VYAS is also credited with the authorship of the oldest extent commentary on the source book of Hatha Yoga, ‘Pantanjali’s Yoga Sutra’, the, ‘Yoga-Bhashya’. In the Mahabharat he is recognised as the foremost master and expert on Yoga.] Born of a fish [Symbol of agitated mind] by devotion of highest God they themselves were worshiped.
Whoever are Bhagats respect them your great doubts and fears will thus flee.
Do not consider the cast of a Bhagat Sukdev [A Brahmin] grasping the feet of Jank [A Khashatriya king father of Sita hence lower cast than Sukdev] as Guru worshiped highest God.
Janak who sat on a throne on seeing the nine [Vedic] holy sages himself fell at their feet [Because they were Bhagats of highest God].
Say’s Nanak bless me oh bless me master [Va-eh Guru] make me the servant of your servants [The Bhagats such as PRAHLAD, BRAHMA, VYAS, SUKHDEV, JANK, nine sages etc.]"
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'Shri Guru-Granth-Ji’, Raag Kanra, Pa.1309
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="94%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=ggs>Bgq jnw ky hir rKvwry jn hir rsu mIT lgwvYgo ] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=subhead>bhagath janaa kae har rakhavaarae jan har ras meeth lagaavaigo ||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=shlok>The Lord is the Protector and Saving Grace of His humble devotees. The Lord's Sublime Essence seems so sweet to these humble beings.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rmenuheader>5 Kaanrhaa Guru Ram Das
</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=ggs>iKnu iKnu nwmu dyie vifAweI siqgur aupdyis smwvYgo ]4] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=subhead>khin khin naam dhaee vaddiaaee sathigur oupadhaes samaavaigo ||4||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=shlok>Each and every instant, they are blessed with the Glorious Greatness of the Naam; through the Teachings of the True Guru, they are absorbed in Him. ||4||
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rmenuheader>5 Kaanrhaa Guru Ram Das
</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=ggs>Bgq jnw kau sdw iniv rhIAY jn invih qw Pl gun pwvYgo ] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=subhead>bhagath janaa ko sadhaa niv reheeai jan nivehi thaa fal gun paavaigo ||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=shlok>Bow forever in deep respect to the humble devotees; if you bow to those humble beings, you shall obtain the fruit of virtue.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rmenuheader>6 Kaanrhaa Guru Ram Das
</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=ggs>jo inMdw dust krih Bgqw kI hrnwKs ijau pic jwvYgo ]5] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=subhead>jo nindhaa dhusatt karehi bhagathaa kee haranaakhas jio pach jaavaigo ||5||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=shlok>Those wicked enemies who slander the devotees are destroyed, like Harnaakhash. ||5||
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rmenuheader>6 Kaanrhaa Guru Ram Das
</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=ggs>bRhm kml puqu mIn ibAwsw qpu qwpn pUj krwvYgo ] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=subhead>breham kamal puth meen biaasaa thap thaapan pooj karaavaigo ||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=shlok>Brahma, the son of the lotus, and Vyaas, the son of the fish, practiced austere penance and were worshipped.
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</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=ggs>jo jo Bgqu hoie so pUjhu Brmn Brmu cukwvYgo ]6] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=subhead>jo jo bhagath hoe so poojahu bharaman bharam chukaavaigo ||6||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=shlok>Whoever is a devotee - worship and adore that person. Get rid of your doubts and superstitions. ||6||
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rmenuheader>8 Kaanrhaa Guru Ram Das
</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=ggs>jwq njwiq dyiK mq Brmhu suk jnk pgIN lig iDAwvYgo ] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=subhead>jaath najaath dhaekh math bharamahu suk janak pageen lag dhhiaavaigo ||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=shlok>Do not be fooled by appearances of high and low social class. Suk Dayv bowed at the feet of Janak, and meditated.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rmenuheader>8 Kaanrhaa Guru Ram Das
</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=ggs>jUTn jUiT peI isr aUpir iKnu mnUAw iqlu n fulwvYgo ]7] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=subhead>joothan jooth pee sir oopar khin manooaa thil n ddulaavaigo ||7||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=shlok>Even though Janak threw his left-overs and garbage on Suk Dayv's head, his mind did not waver, even for an instant. ||7||
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rmenuheader>9 Kaanrhaa Guru Ram Das
</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=ggs>jnk jnk bYTy isMGwsin nau munI DUir lY lwvYgo ] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=subhead>janak janak baithae singhaasan no munee dhhoor lai laavaigo ||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffecec><TD class=shlok>Janak sat upon his regal throne, and applied the dust of the nine sages to his forehead.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=rmenuheader>10 Kaanrhaa Guru Ram Das
</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=ggs>nwnk ik®pw ik®pw kir Twkur mY dwsin dws krwvYgo ]8]2] </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=subhead>naanak kirapaa kirapaa kar thaakur mai dhaasan dhaas karaavaigo ||8||2||</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffec><TD class=shlok>Please shower Nanak with your Mercy, O my Lord and Master; make him the slave of Your slaves. ||8||2||
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Ang 1309 of 1430 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
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jattpunjabi & munda wakhra type,
This Purushottam Oak is not the ultimate in wisdom and I never heard of this scholar before. Thanks for introducing me to this fool.
Though some info I would like to share with you...
This I recieved in my mail and don't know what to make of it...
"Nearly five hundred years before Jesus, Buddha went round the Ganges valley proclaiming a way of life which would deliver men from bondage of ignorance and sin. In a hundred and fifty years after his death, tradition of his life and passing away became systematized. He was miraculously conceived and wondrously born. His father was informed by angels about it, and, according to Lalitavistara, the queen (Maya) was permitted to lead the life of a virgin for thirty-two months. On the day of his birth a Brahmin priest predicts his future greatness. Asita is the Buddhist Simeon. He comes through air to visit the infant Gautama. Simeon came by the apirit into the Temple. Buddha grew steadily in wisdom and stature. Early in his career, he was tempted by Mara to give up his quest for truth with promises of world dominion. His enlightenment was marked by thirty-two great miracles. The blind receive their sight, the deaf hear, and the lame walk freely. He set out to establish the kingdom of righteousness. He has twelve disciples. Buddha has his troubles with his disciples. Devadatta, Buddha's cousin, was the Judas among his followers. On the last day before his death, Buddha's body was again transfigured, and when he died a tremendous earthquake was felt throughout thee world.
Many of the parables between Buddha and Jesus are common. Buddha is a sower of the word. He feeds his five hundred brethren at once with a small cake which has been put into his begging bowl, and a good deal is left over, which is thrown away. In Jataka 190 we read of an eager disciple who finds no boat to take him across and so walks on the water.
Max Muller remarks that mere walking on water is not an uncommon story, and we must remember that the date of the Buddhist parable is chronologically anterior to the date of the Gospel of St. Luke. Between the language of Buddha and his disciples, and the language between Christ and his apostles, there are strange coincidences. When some of the Buddhist legends and parables sound as if taken from the New Testament, though we know that many of them existed before the beginning of the Christian era.
Richard Garbe assumes direct borrowing from Buddhism in the matter of Simeon, temptations, and the miracles of walking on the water, and loaves and fishes. We have many parallels between Krishna and Christ.
A marvellous light envelops Mary when Christ is born. a similar light envelops Devaki before Krsna is born.
There is universal gladness of nature at their birth.
Herod inquires of the wise men, " Where is he that is born King of the Jews? "(Matthew ii 40
Narada warns Kamsa the King that Krsna will kill him (Harivamsa ii 56)
Herod is mocked by the wise men (Matthew, ii 16) and Kamsa is mocked by the demon that takes the place of Yasoda's infant (ibid ii 59).
The massacre of the infants in found in both.
Joseph came with Mary to Bethlehem to be taxed: Nanda came with Yasoda to Mathura to pay tribute.
The flight into Egypt is similar to that into Braj.
Max Muller writes, "our natural inclination would be to suppose that the Buddhist stories borrowed from our Christian sources and not vice versa. But here the conscience of the scholar comes in. Some of these stories are found in the Hinayana Budddhist Canon and date, therefore, before the Christian era." It is not unnatural to suspect that some of the prominent ideas traveled from the older to the younger system. As Christianity arose in a period of eclecticism, it is not impossible for it to have adopted the outlook and legends of the older religion, especially as the latter were accessible at the time when intercourse between India and the Roman Empire was quite common. Let us realize that Christianity was in a formative stage and Budhhism was both settled and enterprising.
Speaking of the Apocryphal gospels, such a cautious critic, as the late Dr. Maurice Winternitz says: " We can point to a series of borrowings from Buddhistic literature which are absolutely beyond all doubt"
Sir Charles Eliot, a famous scholar and linguist of Oxford observed, " A number of Buddhist legends make their appearance in the Apocryphal gospels and are so obviously Indian in character that it can hardly be maintained that they were invented in Palestine or Egypt and spread thence Eastwards."
(source: Hinduism and Buddhism - By Sir Charles Eliot vol. iii (1921), p. 441).
" The similarity of Roman Catholic services and ceremonial to the Buddhist is difficult to explain. "When all allowance is made for similar causes and coincidences, it is hard to believe that a collection of practices such as clerical celibacy, the veneration of relics, the use of the rosary and the prominent ideas traveled from the older to the younger system.
T. W. Rhys Davids, the famous Pali scholar and author of " Buddhist India," wrote ,
"It is not too much to say, that almost the whole of the moral teaching of the Gospels as distinct from the dogmatic teaching, will be found in Buddhist writings, several centuries older than the Gospels; that for instance, of all the moral doctrines collected together in the so-called Sermon on the Mount, all those which can be separated from the theistic dogmas there maintained are found again in the Pitakas."
"There is every reason to believe that the Pitakas [sacred books containing the legends of Buddha] now extant in Ceylon are substantially identical with the books of the southern canon, as settled at the Council of Patna about the year 250 B.C. As no work would have been received into the Canon which were not then believer to be very old, the Pitakas may be approximately placed in the forth century B.C. and parts of them possibly reach back very nearly, if not quite to the time of Gautama (Buddha) himself. Albert Schweitzer, who is regarded almost as a modern Christian saint, declined to accept the historicity of the traditional view of Jesus. Both A.. J. Edmonds, and Richard Garbe, have insisted on the Christian indebtedness to Buddhism.
Count Keyserling noticed a great affinity of spirit between Mahayana Buddhism and Christianity; and although he considered Mahayana Buddhism to be far superior to Christianity.
Otto Pfleiderer in his Chrisitan Origin, E. T. (1906), p.226, says: " These Buddhist parallels to the childhood stories of Luke are too striking to be classed as mere chance; some kind of historical connection must be postulated." M. Labbe Huc, Nineteenth century: " The miraculous birth of Buddha, his life and instructions, contain a great number of the moral and dogmatic truths professes in Christianity."
T. W. Doane, Nineteenth century, ...nothing now remains for the honest man to do but acknowledge the truth, which is that the history of Jesus of Nazareth, as related in the books of the New Testament is simply a copy of that of Buddha, with a mixture of mythology borrowed from other nations.
Scholars have been profoundly struck and at times perplexed by the remarkable similarities between the Gospel story and the life and teachings of the Budhha, as told in the Latitavistara, and between the Budhhist and Christian parables and miracles. Both the Buddha and Christ are miraculously conceived and wondrously born and angels rejoiced at both births. He was miraculously conceived and wondrously born. His father was informed by angels about it and the queen - mother Maya (Mary in case of Christ) was permitted to lead the life of a virgin for thirty-two months. Christ was born in the royal tribe of Judah, Buddha was born in a royal household. On the day of his birth a Brahmin (Asita) priest predicts his future greatness. Asita is the Buddhist Simeon. Early in his career, he was tempted by Mara to give up his quest for truth with promises of world dominion. Both reveal their unusual wisdom at about the same age, twelve. Asita is the Buddhist Simeon. Early in his career, he was tempted by Mara to give up his quest for truth with promises of world dominion. Both reveal their unusual wisdom at about the same age, twelve. Asita is the Buddhist Simeon. Early in his career, he was tempted by Mara to give up his quest for truth with promises of world dominion. Both reveal their unusual wisdom at about the same age, twelve.
Nothing is known of Jesus' life during the next seventeen years and there have developed a variety of legends suggesting that he traveled to India, lived with the Essenes at Qumran. The Gospels, however, refute these suggestion by implication. Whether Jesus traveled abroad or not, that he chose to remain unknown after having revealed himself and his wisdom causes some surprise. As Jesus claimed to be God, it could not have been a period of preparation. In contrast, more is known of Buddha's life his childhood, youth, marriage, increasing discontent with the world, renunciation, quest of Enlightenment, and finally his attainment of the Buddhahood, followed by a long period of missionary activity until he died."
The boddhi's by the way believe that there were Buddha's before Buddha and there are going to be Buddha's after Buddha's. The last Buddha they call 'Maitrei'. One of the names of Krishna.
Could it be possible that all the "imaginations" that changed and transformed us having names like Govind, Gautam, Gotam, GOBIND...
is a bit more than mere coincidence ??
Though it could be just a coincidence...don't really know...
Should we care ??
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jattpunjabi & munda wakhra type,
This Purushottam Oak is not the ultimate in wisdom and I never heard of this scholar before. Thanks for introducing me to this fool.
Though some info I would like to share with you...
This I recieved in my mail and don't know what to make of it...
"Nearly five hundred years before Jesus, Buddha went round the Ganges valley proclaiming a way of life which would deliver men from bondage of ignorance and sin. In a hundred and fifty years after his death, tradition of his life and passing away became systematized. He was miraculously conceived and wondrously born. His father was informed by angels about it, and, according to Lalitavistara, the queen (Maya) was permitted to lead the life of a virgin for thirty-two months. On the day of his birth a Brahmin priest predicts his future greatness. Asita is the Buddhist Simeon. He comes through air to visit the infant Gautama. Simeon came by the apirit into the Temple. Buddha grew steadily in wisdom and stature. Early in his career, he was tempted by Mara to give up his quest for truth with promises of world dominion. His enlightenment was marked by thirty-two great miracles. The blind receive their sight, the deaf hear, and the lame walk freely. He set out to establish the kingdom of righteousness. He has twelve disciples. Buddha has his troubles with his disciples. Devadatta, Buddha's cousin, was the Judas among his followers. On the last day before his death, Buddha's body was again transfigured, and when he died a tremendous earthquake was felt throughout thee world.
Many of the parables between Buddha and Jesus are common. Buddha is a sower of the word. He feeds his five hundred brethren at once with a small cake which has been put into his begging bowl, and a good deal is left over, which is thrown away. In Jataka 190 we read of an eager disciple who finds no boat to take him across and so walks on the water.
Max Muller remarks that mere walking on water is not an uncommon story, and we must remember that the date of the Buddhist parable is chronologically anterior to the date of the Gospel of St. Luke. Between the language of Buddha and his disciples, and the language between Christ and his apostles, there are strange coincidences. When some of the Buddhist legends and parables sound as if taken from the New Testament, though we know that many of them existed before the beginning of the Christian era.
Richard Garbe assumes direct borrowing from Buddhism in the matter of Simeon, temptations, and the miracles of walking on the water, and loaves and fishes. We have many parallels between Krishna and Christ.
A marvellous light envelops Mary when Christ is born. a similar light envelops Devaki before Krsna is born.
There is universal gladness of nature at their birth.
Herod inquires of the wise men, " Where is he that is born King of the Jews? "(Matthew ii 40
Narada warns Kamsa the King that Krsna will kill him (Harivamsa ii 56)
Herod is mocked by the wise men (Matthew, ii 16) and Kamsa is mocked by the demon that takes the place of Yasoda's infant (ibid ii 59).
The massacre of the infants in found in both.
Joseph came with Mary to Bethlehem to be taxed: Nanda came with Yasoda to Mathura to pay tribute.
The flight into Egypt is similar to that into Braj.
Max Muller writes, "our natural inclination would be to suppose that the Buddhist stories borrowed from our Christian sources and not vice versa. But here the conscience of the scholar comes in. Some of these stories are found in the Hinayana Budddhist Canon and date, therefore, before the Christian era." It is not unnatural to suspect that some of the prominent ideas traveled from the older to the younger system. As Christianity arose in a period of eclecticism, it is not impossible for it to have adopted the outlook and legends of the older religion, especially as the latter were accessible at the time when intercourse between India and the Roman Empire was quite common. Let us realize that Christianity was in a formative stage and Budhhism was both settled and enterprising.
Speaking of the Apocryphal gospels, such a cautious critic, as the late Dr. Maurice Winternitz says: " We can point to a series of borrowings from Buddhistic literature which are absolutely beyond all doubt"
Sir Charles Eliot, a famous scholar and linguist of Oxford observed, " A number of Buddhist legends make their appearance in the Apocryphal gospels and are so obviously Indian in character that it can hardly be maintained that they were invented in Palestine or Egypt and spread thence Eastwards."
(source: Hinduism and Buddhism - By Sir Charles Eliot vol. iii (1921), p. 441).
" The similarity of Roman Catholic services and ceremonial to the Buddhist is difficult to explain. "When all allowance is made for similar causes and coincidences, it is hard to believe that a collection of practices such as clerical celibacy, the veneration of relics, the use of the rosary and the prominent ideas traveled from the older to the younger system.
T. W. Rhys Davids, the famous Pali scholar and author of " Buddhist India," wrote ,
"It is not too much to say, that almost the whole of the moral teaching of the Gospels as distinct from the dogmatic teaching, will be found in Buddhist writings, several centuries older than the Gospels; that for instance, of all the moral doctrines collected together in the so-called Sermon on the Mount, all those which can be separated from the theistic dogmas there maintained are found again in the Pitakas."
"There is every reason to believe that the Pitakas [sacred books containing the legends of Buddha] now extant in Ceylon are substantially identical with the books of the southern canon, as settled at the Council of Patna about the year 250 B.C. As no work would have been received into the Canon which were not then believer to be very old, the Pitakas may be approximately placed in the forth century B.C. and parts of them possibly reach back very nearly, if not quite to the time of Gautama (Buddha) himself. Albert Schweitzer, who is regarded almost as a modern Christian saint, declined to accept the historicity of the traditional view of Jesus. Both A.. J. Edmonds, and Richard Garbe, have insisted on the Christian indebtedness to Buddhism.
Count Keyserling noticed a great affinity of spirit between Mahayana Buddhism and Christianity; and although he considered Mahayana Buddhism to be far superior to Christianity.
Otto Pfleiderer in his Chrisitan Origin, E. T. (1906), p.226, says: " These Buddhist parallels to the childhood stories of Luke are too striking to be classed as mere chance; some kind of historical connection must be postulated." M. Labbe Huc, Nineteenth century: " The miraculous birth of Buddha, his life and instructions, contain a great number of the moral and dogmatic truths professes in Christianity."
T. W. Doane, Nineteenth century, ...nothing now remains for the honest man to do but acknowledge the truth, which is that the history of Jesus of Nazareth, as related in the books of the New Testament is simply a copy of that of Buddha, with a mixture of mythology borrowed from other nations.
Scholars have been profoundly struck and at times perplexed by the remarkable similarities between the Gospel story and the life and teachings of the Budhha, as told in the Latitavistara, and between the Budhhist and Christian parables and miracles. Both the Buddha and Christ are miraculously conceived and wondrously born and angels rejoiced at both births. He was miraculously conceived and wondrously born. His father was informed by angels about it and the queen - mother Maya (Mary in case of Christ) was permitted to lead the life of a virgin for thirty-two months. Christ was born in the royal tribe of Judah, Buddha was born in a royal household. On the day of his birth a Brahmin (Asita) priest predicts his future greatness. Asita is the Buddhist Simeon. Early in his career, he was tempted by Mara to give up his quest for truth with promises of world dominion. Both reveal their unusual wisdom at about the same age, twelve. Asita is the Buddhist Simeon. Early in his career, he was tempted by Mara to give up his quest for truth with promises of world dominion. Both reveal their unusual wisdom at about the same age, twelve. Asita is the Buddhist Simeon. Early in his career, he was tempted by Mara to give up his quest for truth with promises of world dominion. Both reveal their unusual wisdom at about the same age, twelve.
Nothing is known of Jesus' life during the next seventeen years and there have developed a variety of legends suggesting that he traveled to India, lived with the Essenes at Qumran. The Gospels, however, refute these suggestion by implication. Whether Jesus traveled abroad or not, that he chose to remain unknown after having revealed himself and his wisdom causes some surprise. As Jesus claimed to be God, it could not have been a period of preparation. In contrast, more is known of Buddha's life his childhood, youth, marriage, increasing discontent with the world, renunciation, quest of Enlightenment, and finally his attainment of the Buddhahood, followed by a long period of missionary activity until he died."
The boddhi's by the way believe that there were Buddha's before Buddha and there are going to be Buddha's after Buddha's. The last Buddha they call 'Maitrei'. One of the names of Krishna.
Could it be possible that all the "imaginations" that changed and transformed us having names like Govind, Gautam, Gotam, GOBIND...
is a bit more than mere coincidence ??
Though it could be just a coincidence...don't really know...
Should we care ??
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bulleshah main tainu pela v akia c ke gurbani nu sahi samjhan di kosish kar.....gurbani da asli meaning hor hunda ate janta hor bana dindi aa......nd dooji gal......gurbani de shabdan di english translation ate explanation ch farak aa......bot farak aa......gurbani nu sahi samjhan layi us di sahi meaning yani explanation karni chaidi aa na ke words nu sirf english di dictionary mutabik translate kita jana chaida aa........well jo tu akia ke Guru Nanak Dev Ji vedas prati well versed c taan sahi gal aa.......oh vedas nu sahi pashande c iselayi taan unha ne vedas nu manan tou inkaar kar ditta.......Guru ji vedas nu jaan gaye c.......vedas diaan kamiaan nu ise layi taan unha ne vedas di theory reject kiti......ho sakda unha nu vedas dian kush gallan pasand v aian hon......ok........pela main tainu isda sahi meaning dasda haan jiste tu aina zor laya hai....
.inha shabdds ch guru ji ne ihi akia hai ke hey bhai sanu bhagtaan da satikaar karna chaida hai kyu ke bhagat v sariaan da satikaar karde han ate neeven hoke rehnde han...jadon manukh neevan ho ke rehnda hai udon hi koi fal prapat karda hai.....jede manukh bhagatan di ninda karde han un ha da hrnakash vaang haal hunda hai.......brahma nabhi cho janmia janda hai ate bias mashi da putt samjhia jaanda hai par aini neeven thaan tou paida hoke v tap kaaran aavdi naam chala rea hai........uchi jaat vekh ke bhulekha na khao......sukdev janak de pairin lag ke naam jap rea hai.......jadon sukdev sikhia lain aya c janak kolo taan langar varat rea c......ateusnu bahar hi khada kar ditta gaya ate janta de pattlan di jooth usde sir ch payi par sukdev brahman hundia v sara kush sehna pia......raja janak v rishian di dhood nu sir utte laa ke neevan ho rea hai......sanun v neeven hoke rena chaida hai
so bulleshah tu shied kush hor hi akna chounda hai.....par ki????? gal ih aa ke guru ji ne sirf example ditti aa ke sanu neeven hoke rehna chaida hai.....hor kush nai............baaki sikhism ch vedas di jagah hai ki oh dassan di lod aa????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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.inha shabdds ch guru ji ne ihi akia hai ke hey bhai sanu bhagtaan da satikaar karna chaida hai kyu ke bhagat v sariaan da satikaar karde han ate neeven hoke rehnde han...jadon manukh neevan ho ke rehnda hai udon hi koi fal prapat karda hai.....jede manukh bhagatan di ninda karde han un ha da hrnakash vaang haal hunda hai.......brahma nabhi cho janmia janda hai ate bias mashi da putt samjhia jaanda hai par aini neeven thaan tou paida hoke v tap kaaran aavdi naam chala rea hai........uchi jaat vekh ke bhulekha na khao......sukdev janak de pairin lag ke naam jap rea hai.......jadon sukdev sikhia lain aya c janak kolo taan langar varat rea c......ateusnu bahar hi khada kar ditta gaya ate janta de pattlan di jooth usde sir ch payi par sukdev brahman hundia v sara kush sehna pia......raja janak v rishian di dhood nu sir utte laa ke neevan ho rea hai......sanun v neeven hoke rena chaida hai
so bulleshah tu shied kush hor hi akna chounda hai.....par ki????? gal ih aa ke guru ji ne sirf example ditti aa ke sanu neeven hoke rehna chaida hai.....hor kush nai............baaki sikhism ch vedas di jagah hai ki oh dassan di lod aa????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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jattpunjabi
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sikh guru vedas bare ki akde aa.......vekh
"The Vedas know not God's greatness. Brahmas can realize not His secrets. The incarnations know not His limit. Infinite is God, the Transcendent Lord. His state, He Himself knows. Others speak of Him from mere hearsay. Shiva knows not the Lord's way. The gods have grown weary searching for Him. The goddesses know not His mystery. Over all is the Unseen Supreme Lord." (Guru Arjan Dev, Ramkali, pg. 894)
You may stand and recite the Shaastras and the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny, but these are just worldly actions. Filth cannot be washed away by hypocrisy, O Siblings of Destiny; the filth of corruption and sin is within you. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 635)
One may read all the books of the Vedas, the Bible, the Simritees and the Shaastras, but they will not bring liberation. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 747)
The Vedas and the Scriptures are only make-believe, O Siblings of Destiny; they do not relieve the anxiety of the heart. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 727)
The Simritees and the Shaastras discriminate between good and evil, but they do not know the true essence of reality. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 920)
I have read all the Vedas, and yet the sense of separation in my mind still has not been removed; the five thieves of my house are not quieted, even for an instant. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 687)
Vedas, Shastras, Simritis all say many things but I do not accept anyone of those. (Raam Avtaar, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)
ih sirf kush examples hi han main hor v bot de sakda..........par mere khyal ch ih jaanan layi ke sikhan vaaste vedas di koi place nai aina bot aa........so bulleshah, got it .........vedas are hindu scriputures not of sikhs
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"The Vedas know not God's greatness. Brahmas can realize not His secrets. The incarnations know not His limit. Infinite is God, the Transcendent Lord. His state, He Himself knows. Others speak of Him from mere hearsay. Shiva knows not the Lord's way. The gods have grown weary searching for Him. The goddesses know not His mystery. Over all is the Unseen Supreme Lord." (Guru Arjan Dev, Ramkali, pg. 894)
You may stand and recite the Shaastras and the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny, but these are just worldly actions. Filth cannot be washed away by hypocrisy, O Siblings of Destiny; the filth of corruption and sin is within you. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 635)
One may read all the books of the Vedas, the Bible, the Simritees and the Shaastras, but they will not bring liberation. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 747)
The Vedas and the Scriptures are only make-believe, O Siblings of Destiny; they do not relieve the anxiety of the heart. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 727)
The Simritees and the Shaastras discriminate between good and evil, but they do not know the true essence of reality. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 920)
I have read all the Vedas, and yet the sense of separation in my mind still has not been removed; the five thieves of my house are not quieted, even for an instant. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 687)
Vedas, Shastras, Simritis all say many things but I do not accept anyone of those. (Raam Avtaar, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)
ih sirf kush examples hi han main hor v bot de sakda..........par mere khyal ch ih jaanan layi ke sikhan vaaste vedas di koi place nai aina bot aa........so bulleshah, got it .........vedas are hindu scriputures not of sikhs
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jattpunjabi
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bulleshah, naale taan tu oak nu fool aakh rea..........naale khud ohi gal aakh rea........ki matbal yaar????????
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<TABLE width="88%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width="98%">[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Although respected, the Vedas, Puranas, Shastras (Hindu scriptures) hold no relevance to Sikhs.[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Sikhs do not believe in fasting[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Sikhs do not believe in the tilak and jineu, marks of the Hindu[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Sikhs do not believe in high caste or low, all are one in the eyes of the Lord.[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Sikhs do not hold any significance in ritual shaving of the head, in fact removing of hair id forbidden in Sikhism.[/FONT][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD height=21></TD><TD>[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Sikhs reject of Idol worship[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD height=41></TD><TD>[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Although Sikhs respect great deities like Brahama, Shivji and Vishnu there belief in the One almighty God is unshakable. [/FONT]
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE width="97%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width="2%" height=39></TD><TD width="98%">[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]You may bathe and wash, and apply a ritualistic tilak mark to your forehead, but without inner purity, there is no understanding[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]. ||6||Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Raag Raamkalee. p903[/FONT]
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jattpunjabi
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bulleshah ki tu mainu dass sakda?????????
hinduism ch.........
laws of manu ki aa?????? bhagwat gita ki aa??????? mahabharat ki aa??????? hinduism de dharmik granth hoe kede kede aa??????? hinduism ch kull kinne devi devte aa ate kede kede????????
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hinduism ch.........
laws of manu ki aa?????? bhagwat gita ki aa??????? mahabharat ki aa??????? hinduism de dharmik granth hoe kede kede aa??????? hinduism ch kull kinne devi devte aa ate kede kede????????
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"The misguided ones who delight in the melodious chanting of the Veda - without understanding the real purpose of the Vedas - think, O Arjuna, as if there is nothing else in the Vedas except the rituals for the sole purpose of obtaining heavenly enjoyment." (2.42, Bhagvat-Geeta)
"They are dominated by material desires, and consider the attainment of heaven as the highest goal of life. They engage in specific rites for the sake of prosperity and enjoyment. Rebirth is the result of their action." (2.43, Bhagvat-Geeta)
"The resolute determination of Self-realization is not formed in the minds of those who are attached to pleasure and power, and whose judgment is obscured by ritualistic activities." (2.44, Bhagvat-Geeta)
"A person with realization has that much utility in all the Vedas as a man has in a well when there is a flood all around." (2.46, Bhagvat-Geeta)
"The wise who knows the Self as bodiless within the bodies, as unchanging among changing things, as great and omnipresent, does never grieve.'
'That Self cannot be gained by the Veda, nor by understanding, nor by much learning. He whom the Self chooses, by him the Self can be gained. The Self chooses him (his body) as his own." (Katha-Upanishad)
"This world is spectacle and you are its spectator. You make even Brahma, Vishnu and Shambhu dance to your tune. Even these latter know not your secret; who else can know you?" (Tulsidas, Ram Charit Manas)
"He is as sharp as countless millions of Sarswatis, and posses the creative skills of millions of Brhamas. Again he is as good preserver as millions of Vishnus and as thorough destroyer as millions of Rudras. He is as good supporter of the universe as millions of Shesha naga. In short, Lord Sri Rama, sovereign of universe, is infinite and incomparable" ( Tulsidas, Ram Charit Manas)
"The Divine Thread started everything.
The knower of the Thread is a yogi, his Knowledge is beyond the scope of the Vedas.
Pearls stringed together form an ornament. The Divine Thread holds together the Universe.
The Yogi wears this Thread when he becomes aware of his Divinity.
Established in highest state of Yoga, the yogi discards the external thread.
The wearer of the Thread of Knowledge is never unclean. The Thread exists within him.
Knowledge is the greatest purifier."
(Brahma Upanishad)
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"The misguided ones who delight in the melodious chanting of the Veda - without understanding the real purpose of the Vedas - think, O Arjuna, as if there is nothing else in the Vedas except the rituals for the sole purpose of obtaining heavenly enjoyment." (2.42, Bhagvat-Geeta)
"They are dominated by material desires, and consider the attainment of heaven as the highest goal of life. They engage in specific rites for the sake of prosperity and enjoyment. Rebirth is the result of their action." (2.43, Bhagvat-Geeta)
"The resolute determination of Self-realization is not formed in the minds of those who are attached to pleasure and power, and whose judgment is obscured by ritualistic activities." (2.44, Bhagvat-Geeta)
"A person with realization has that much utility in all the Vedas as a man has in a well when there is a flood all around." (2.46, Bhagvat-Geeta)
"The wise who knows the Self as bodiless within the bodies, as unchanging among changing things, as great and omnipresent, does never grieve.'
'That Self cannot be gained by the Veda, nor by understanding, nor by much learning. He whom the Self chooses, by him the Self can be gained. The Self chooses him (his body) as his own." (Katha-Upanishad)
"This world is spectacle and you are its spectator. You make even Brahma, Vishnu and Shambhu dance to your tune. Even these latter know not your secret; who else can know you?" (Tulsidas, Ram Charit Manas)
"He is as sharp as countless millions of Sarswatis, and posses the creative skills of millions of Brhamas. Again he is as good preserver as millions of Vishnus and as thorough destroyer as millions of Rudras. He is as good supporter of the universe as millions of Shesha naga. In short, Lord Sri Rama, sovereign of universe, is infinite and incomparable" ( Tulsidas, Ram Charit Manas)
"The Divine Thread started everything.
The knower of the Thread is a yogi, his Knowledge is beyond the scope of the Vedas.
Pearls stringed together form an ornament. The Divine Thread holds together the Universe.
The Yogi wears this Thread when he becomes aware of his Divinity.
Established in highest state of Yoga, the yogi discards the external thread.
The wearer of the Thread of Knowledge is never unclean. The Thread exists within him.
Knowledge is the greatest purifier."
(Brahma Upanishad)
"There is no heaven, no final liberation, nor any soul in another world,
Nor do the actions of the four castes, etc., produce any real effect.
The Agnihotra, the three Vedas, the ascetic's three staves, and smearing one's self with ashes,
Were made by Nature as the livelihood or those destitute of knowledge and manliness."
(Savradarshana Samgraha)
These are just a few examples to show what Nanak and the following Guru's said was said before...
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Nor do the actions of the four castes, etc., produce any real effect.
The Agnihotra, the three Vedas, the ascetic's three staves, and smearing one's self with ashes,
Were made by Nature as the livelihood or those destitute of knowledge and manliness."
(Savradarshana Samgraha)
These are just a few examples to show what Nanak and the following Guru's said was said before...
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Thought there continue to be those who will question even Bhai Gurdasji on his interpretation of the understanding that is 'Sikhi'.
Modern(read london toronto) scholars, however, affirm that the name Vahiguru is a compound of two words, one from Persian and the other from Sanskrit, joined in a symbiotic relationship to define the indefinable indescribable Ultimate Reality. "Vah" in Persian is an interjection of wonder and admiration. Something like 'Vah Ustaad', 'Vah Janaab'...
I personally prefer Bhai Gurudasji's explaination in Vaar 1 Pauri 49 Waheguru mantar.
It makes me sound and look less stupid than london/toronto keshdhari clowns who have dedicated all their lives towards proving 'we re not Hindu's...we're different...we're unique...we're this... we're that...
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Thought there continue to be those who will question even Bhai Gurdasji on his interpretation of the understanding that is 'Sikhi'.
Modern(read london toronto) scholars, however, affirm that the name Vahiguru is a compound of two words, one from Persian and the other from Sanskrit, joined in a symbiotic relationship to define the indefinable indescribable Ultimate Reality. "Vah" in Persian is an interjection of wonder and admiration. Something like 'Vah Ustaad', 'Vah Janaab'...
I personally prefer Bhai Gurudasji's explaination in Vaar 1 Pauri 49 Waheguru mantar.
It makes me sound and look less stupid than london/toronto keshdhari clowns who have dedicated all their lives towards proving 'we re not Hindu's...we're different...we're unique...we're this... we're that...
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ho sakda hai ke toronto based sara kush sahi na akde hon........vase v canada ch aape bane babe bathere aa.........par ik gal taan pakki hai ke we r not hindus........asi sikh haan na ke hindu ih taan sach hai na atleast
Too bad the RSS and Brahminical liar named Bhai Gurdas didn't understand
what our progressive and beef-eating Neo-Sikh-London-Toronto-Clowns do.
I think we need to ban this Gurdas who is trying to keep Sikhs down under the Brahminical yoke.
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BS tu har post wich iko gall kyu ratda rehnda? is gal da aithe ki matlab?