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Old 12-06-2007
Panjaban
 
PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

SSA Ji saareya nu...Ik sikheya jehrri mainu milli oh tuhade sabh naal saanjhi karna chaundi ah. Punjabi te Gurmukhi vich ki farak hai? Main taan ehi socheya c k Gurmukhi ik alagg bhaasha hee hai jehrri saade Guru ji vartt de c.
Eh information mainu kisi website toh milli...so i thought i'd share it wid ya all.. shayad mere varge hor v members hon urre jehna nu eh info na pata hove. :D


Punjabi/Gurmukhi:
MainU laggda ah k shayad mere varge hor v hon ge jehrre sochde c k Punjabi saadi bhaasha va jehrri assi hamesha/aam bollde haan.. (jivein main hun boll rahi haan) te Gurmukhi ik alagg bhaasha hai jehrri Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji vich likhi hoi hai.
Ki eh vakeya hee 2 alag alag bhaasha ne?
Ki Saade Saare Guru Jis ne alag bhaasha varrti c...jehda naam hai Gurmukhi?
Eh da jawaab hai NAAH (no)...
Agge jaan toh pehlla tusi aape socho k j Guru ji apna message, apne dharam vaare lokka nu sikheya denn taan ki ohna ne alag bhaasha varrtni c k jehrri saanu aundi v nai? Jehdi bhaasha samjhan 'ch saanu aoukha mehsoos hoye, oh bhaasha thori varrtni c Guru jis ne...iss gall nu bass samjhan di lorr hai, k j saanu koi gall samjhauna chaunda, saanu koi sikheya dena chaunda ohne saadi bhaasha 'ch hee likhna/bollna, jehrri saanu samajh aave... iss lai Gurmukhi ik alag bhaasha nai ah. Gurmukhi-likhat hai..jivien assi punjabi likh de haan te Punjabi- ik bhaasha hai...jo assi bollde haan.

Angreji vich/In english:
There appears to be a lot of confusion regarding Gurmukhi and Punjabi.
The assumption a lot of people seem to make is that there is a language called Punjabi (what we use everyday) and there is the language called Gurmukhi - the language used to write the Guru Granth Sahib.
So is there two languages ??
Did the Guru's use different language called Gurmukhi??
The answer is No.
Before going further ,apply some logic yourself, would you (if trying to convey a message to a lot people) write the message in new language , which everybody would have to learn before deciphering the message , OR would you write in the most commonly used language ??
Remember this - Punjabi is language ( what we speak). Gurmukhi is a script (how we write punjabi ).




 
Old 12-06-2007
Johal
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

Bilkul sahi gg punjabi language hai te har reigion lai punjabi wich wi farak hai jiwe:

Majhi --- spoken in area from river beas to amritsar side. Gurdaspur, Amrtisar

Malwi --- spoken in area from river Satluj to Ludhiana side. Ludhiana, Bathinda,ferozpur

Doabi--- spoken in area Between Satluj and Beas. Jalandhar, kapurthala, hoshiarpur.

baki pakistan de wich boli jandi hai.

Pothohari, jhangvi and Lehndi.

 
Old 12-06-2007
SHauKeeN GaBRu
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

both of ya

 
Old 13-06-2007
jas_sandhu
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

thankuuuu............

 
Old 13-06-2007
m@ni $pinner
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

ik hor farak vi ae vaise.............



















punjabi menu samajh aundi ...but gurmukhi ni aundi....:P







i knw waz a PJ


 
Old 14-06-2007
Panjaban
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?


Pehllan bollna sikh lao baaki kamm fer kareyo...Bollna aunda hou ga taan hee koi assar ho sakkda tuhadiyan gallan da...
You could have made your points widout usin such language, i might hav been thankful to u. As i stated in my post, i also thought, gurmukhi and panjabi are two diff "languages",then i said i got this info which tells me sumthin different. And if u thought i got da wrong information, im sure there were better ways to explain 'em...smirk Jithe v jaande ganndh pa ke rakh dinnde... find sumthin better to do man.



 
Old 14-06-2007
SehaJ
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

Whatever ,

U r apsolutely right....... but u must have used sensible language to proove ur point...

Thanks.

 
Old 14-06-2007
kudi_patole_wargi
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

thx raman n johal.....n yea whatever u better use appropriate language next time....pyar naal samjahyi gal bande de pale cheti paindi aa....thx

 
Old 14-06-2007
reshmi_mutiyar
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

The assumption a lot of people seem to make is that there is a language called
Punjabi (what we use everyday) and there is the language called Gurmukhi - the
language used to write the Guru Granth Sahib.

So is there two languages ??

Did the Guru's use different language called Gurmukhi??

The answer is No.

Before going further ,apply some logic yourself, would you (if trying to convey a message to a lot people) write the message in new language , which everybody
would have to learn before deciphering the message , OR would you write in the
most commonly used language ??

Remember this - Punjabi is language ( what we speak). Gurmukhi is a script
(how we write punjabi ).

Punjabi is an Indian language which belongs to the outer-circle of the Indo-Aryan languages and distantly related English being a member of the same Indo-European language family. It is a modern Indo-Aryan language spoken mainly in the Punjab states of both India and Pakistan. It nearly resembles Hindi and Urdu.

There are 2 main scripts used , Punjabi speaking Muslims may write Punjabi in the Perso-Arabic script (as used to write Urdu, writing from right to left), this sometimes is referred to as Shahmukhi.

Punjabi is also written using Urdu and Hindi scripts.
Punjabi speaking Sikhs write Punjabi in the Gurmukhi script , which was developed by Guru Andgad dev ji.

Contrary to another popular belief , Guru ji did not invent Gurmukhi from scratch, he modified the Landa (lahnda) script. Then polished the landa script to reflect, pronunciation and the authentic tonal expressions to what is known as Gurmukhi today. The Landa had been around for centuries before the Guru Ji's.

However we must also remember that punjabi itself has evolved along with time,
as any language does. There will be differences between 16th and 17th century and now. Also did you also know that there are different dialects of Punjabi ?

Here is a brief outline of them.

Majhi
Spoken in the heart of Punjab i.e., Lahore , Sialkot, Gujaranwala, Gurdaspur, Amritsar. Most of the population of Punjab lives in this area and linguists also say that Majhi dialect is the "Tixali boli" i.e., it has been influenced by all other dialects

Malwi
Spoken in the east Punjab area of Ludhiana, Ambala, Bathinda, Ganganagar,
Maleerkotla Fazilka, Ferozepur. This area (Malwa) is the southern and central part of present day Indian Punjab. Also includes the Punjabi speaking areas of Haryana, viz. Ambala, Hissar, Sirsa, kurukhetra etc. (northern parts of Haryana mainly).

Doabi
Land between the rivers of Beas and Satluj is called Doaba. Do Aaba lierally means "the land between two waters" in persian. It includes Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur.

Pothohari
The area where Pothohari is spoken extends in the north from Kashmir to as far
south as Jehlum and Gujar Khan and includes the capital of Pakistan, Islamabad.
This dialect is similar to some extent to the Hindko dialect of Punjabi which is spoken in Peshawar, Nowshehra, Mansehra all these areas lie in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan where majority language is Pashto, but Hindko speakers area also found in sizable numbers.

Jhangvi
The region where Jhangvi is spoken stretches from Khanewal to Jhang and includes
the cities of Faisalabad, Chiniot. Jhangvi dialect is also called the "Jangli'' dialect of Punjabi.

Multani
The dialect spoken in Multan, Bahawalpur, Khairpur, Daira Ghazi Khan,
Muzafar Garh i.e., southern deserts of Punjab is called Multani (also Lehndi by some) and perhaps differs from Punjabi more than any other dialect. Those who closely know the dialect say that it is a very "mithi boli." This is the land of Muslim Sufis, perhaps "Shah Shams Sabazwari" who came to Multan in 1165 AD was the first in a long series of Sufis to base themselves in Multan. Multani becomes more and more different as you move down south, as the influence of Sindhi increases, it is also known as Siraiki there. Siraiki itself is Sindhi word and means northern.

(More Information regarding Punjabi by Serjinder Singh)
The cliche that Guru Angad Dev ji made the Gurmukhi alphabet is patently false
(It was propagated by the enemies of Sikhism known as Handalis who wrote the
distorted biography of Guru Nanak Dev ji called Janam Sakhi Bhai Bala).

If one reads that part of Guru Granth Sahib which is known Patti one finds that this Gurbani written by the first Guru ji mentions the letters of Gurmukhi by the same names as we know them today. If Guru Angad Dev ji made the Gurmukhi alphabet how Guru Nanak Dev ji could have mentioned it in his bani several decades earlier.
This script known as Gurmukhi or literally the script used by Gurmukhs existed long before.

Word Gurmukh did not necessarily refer to Gursikhs alone at that period of time but was used by Naths and Sidhs as well. Guru ji in his discussions with the Sidhs use this word to address them as given in the Guru Granth Sahib under the bani titled "Sidh Ghost". All the relevant arguments in support of the above are given in the text books of degree students in Punjab who study the history of Punjabi language and script. In Ludhiana district of Punjab there is a village named Hathoor. There is a sacred well where pilgrims who were traders used to visit and used to get some bricks with their names and details of donations given laid on the inside wall. One of these is written in Gurmukhi as we know it today and gives the date which is in thirteenth century which is long before Guru Nanak Dev ji. I am refering here to the script which is Gurmukhi.

As far as the language is concerned in Punjab the language that is and was spoken is called Punjabi. Now this Punjabi was similar to the Punjabi that we speak in our homes even now. One can read the Saloks of Baba Farid in Guru Granth Sahib which even you born in the west would be able to understand because these are in Punjabi. Baba Farid lived during the thirteenth century couple of centuries before Guru Nanak Dev ji.
In their blind chauvinistic aim to show that the Gurmukhi script belongs only to Sikhs and not to rest of the Punjabis these bigots have created hatred against non-sikhs and alienated them from their own language and past and divided the population of Punjab on religious lines.

The Majhi was called Taxali Boli in earlier part of this century not because it is influenced by other dialects. On the contrary it was considered by some egoist intellectuals living around Lahore and Amritsar that the dialect they speak should be considered standard Punjabi or authentic Punjabi and other dialects were ridiculed.

Word Taxal means mint where authentic coins are made. So, Taxali Boli like the authentic minted coins means authentic or standard language. At present nobody subscribes to this view. Respect shown for all dialects of Punjabi is same. In addition to the dialects listed by you there are some more viz. Puadhi which is spoken in the area between Chandigarh, Patiala and Ropar near the foothills. Dogri or Pahari spoken in Jammu and Mirpur area is also cosidered a dialect of Punjabi.

Okay so far ?

The next argument usually seems to be , why is Guru Granth Sahib so difficult to
comprehend, so it cannot be same language ?
Well the language used in it is not uniform , it contains Hindi, Braj Bhasha, Sanskrit, Marathi, Pharsee, Arabic and also the many dialects of punjabi. Sometimes the words are pronounced the same as an existing punjabi word yet the meaning maybe different due to the origin of the word. Furthermore as mentioned above any language is always in a state of flux, constantly evolving.

More Information regarding Punjabi by Serjinder Singh
Regarding the Gurmukhi script, it is derived from Brahmi used for Asoka's edicts. The Landa script is by and large Gurmukhi script without the vowel signs. In Panjabi word Landa means an animal that has lost its tail. Thus the script which does not have its Siharees or Biharees or Hora, Kanna etc is similar to an animal without a tail. That is why it is called Landa. The Landa script has been in use and still is used for writing accounts in Bahee's by the traders in Punjab. Otherwise the Gurmukhi script was known long before Guruji along with the vowel signs.

An Arab mathematician mentions in tenth century of a mathematician from Punjab whom he saw using a single letter for each numeral whereas till then the Romans and the Arabs had been using several letters for one numeral.
For instance, for three one wrote III and for eight VIII. In Punjab at that time three was written as 3 which is nothing but the first Gurmukhi letter of the Punjabi word tin for three and 2 is the modified first letter of Punjabi word
Do(pronounced as though) for two. No one has noticed this but I can show conclusively that all the nine numerals (which are known as Arabic numerals in West, but Arabs call them Hindsa, meaning brought from Hind or India)are the different letters derived from the Punjabi count words.sucha Ik, Do, Tin, Chaar, Punj etc. Indeed the Arab mathematicial mentions the origin as Punjab of the Hindsas or numerals.

So remember Punjabi is a LANGUAGE , Gurmukhi is SCRIPT !!

 
Old 14-06-2007
jas_sandhu
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?


thank juuu LALU PARDAS JI ..ap ne muche kab se rakh li..
...app toh UP ke hai...aapke muh par punjabi vese he achi nai lagdti..tenu punjabi boli bare kiddan pata..??te na Lalu parsad janab tuhanu bolan di tameej hegi lagda...,te jehde tuh point das reha ho sakda sahi hon..par pehla jake keton bolan di tameej sikh ke aa..tere varege 20 ande roj ethe...par hun bohta ni bolda tenu main.. sat shri akal lalu parsaddd.

 
Old 14-06-2007
kudi_patole_wargi
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

thx 4 da info reshu

 
Old 14-06-2007
reshmi_mutiyar
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

(By Gyani Jarnail Singh of Malaysia)
Waheguru JiKa Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

The observation made that GURBANI and PUNJABI Language are two different things is quite correct. Punjabi is a LIVING Language and as such is constantly evolving, absorbing new words, discarding some on the way, changing in pronounciation and spelling etc. This is how all living languages behave and develop.

1. Each living language has a CENTRAL area - that is its OFFICIAL FORM. For English it is the Queens English of Central England.For PUNJABI it was MAJHA ? the areas surrounding LAHORE. The Punjabi spoken and written in this region was known as TAXAALI BOLI and was used for ACADEMIC writing ( a sort of Queens Punjabi) After Partition, when the MAJHA region was DEVASTATED and REDUCED to a mere two districts?. and then POPULATION of the MALWA region INCREASED??the books written in the MALWAYEE 'Dialect" became popular and Malwi Punjabi took over this Taxaali Boli role simply because MORE people in Post 1947 Punjab spoke it?.. PANNJHI ( Majhi for 25 ) was overtaken by the Malwaii PACHEE (25 ) Novelists like Jaswant Singh KANWAL made Malwi Punjabi universally popular and it has become the defacto standard today? NANAK Singh's NOVELS on the other hand are written in Majhi Punjabi? Master Karam Singh Gangawalla's BOOKS for Punjabi Education written around 1935 are in Majhi Punjabi but the books that abou
nd today are more geared towards the Malwi Punjabi simply because it is used by more Punjabis. In the Malaysian context we have the Kedah Dialect, Kelantan lingo, Negri sembilan dialect, Malcca dialect? but the OFFICIAL Malay is from the JOHOR/Pahang region which is Central and most heavily populated.

2. So while Punjabi has been developing and evolving, the PUNJABI USED in the Guru Granth sahib has been LOCKED in as in a Time Capsule?? it is the Punjabi used in the 10th Century ( Sheikh Farid) and of the Guru Era in the later 15th century- 17th Century. This is not only the case with Punjabi used in the Granth sahib but also with all the other languages used by the various Bhagats from all over India, as well as the Farsi etc used by the Gurus?..Modern Persians can still understand Guru Nanak's "Yak Arz Guftam" shabad? but it sounds like Shakespeares English to us students of modern English. In Modern Punjabi we always use "te" and "ate" for "and" but in Gurbani it is mostly "tae" and "ateh" Some words have totally changed in meaning?..In modern Punjabi "Harkh" is for ANGER but in Gurbani it is for KHUSHI ? Happiness.

3. There is no doubt that some Sikhs, especially the followers of the so called sant samaj, have done PUNJABI a great Disservice, by "CONFINING" it and LOCKING IT up as a totally SIKH language?.. they raised a simple language to the pedestal of HOLINESS just because Gurbani is written in its script. I remember in the old days ( even now if a sant or baba is around to enforce it ) even Punjabi NEWSPAPERS were considered too HOLY to be thrown away, trampled underfoot, used as wrapping paper, etc etc and MUST BE properly SASKAARED ( cremated)?? this over- reverence of MERE LANGUAGE and its script pushed the Muslim speaking Punjabi to go towards URDU script and the Hindu towards DEVnagri script?. and PUNJABI instead of becoming the uniersal language of the Vast Punjabi speaking world was RESTRICTED to the Minority SIKHS?.. The whole of CHINA speaks DIFFERENTLY but WRITES as ONE? PUNJABI is different? ALL PUNJABIS speak as ONE but WRITE DIFFERENTLY.

4. Slowly but surely Punjabi is losing its holiness and is becoming accepted as a language as it should be. In Pakistan there is an active movement to write Punjabi in its SCRIPT ? that is Gurmukhi. This is a good sign. It is the Guru Granth that is HOLY not the script. If Sikhs genuinely want the language to grow and prosper?..it must be treated as a language of the people and these people can be MUSLIMS,Christians,Hindus, Africans.. whatever?.. who have no connection whatsoever with the Guru Granth or our Gurus. Afterall the Koran is in the Arabic script but the muslims don?t treat Arabic the same way we treat Punjabi script?..

5.Coming to Grammar? of course it is natural for Punjabi Grammar and Gurbani Grammar to be different as the two are from differing periods of time. Gurbani grammar dates from the Guru era, while Modern Punjabi Grammar is evolving with the language. Furthermore GURBANI as written in the Guru Granth Sahib follows a UNIQUE Grammar devised by Guru Arjun Dev Ji to preempt any unauthorized changes,MILAWAT, addition of Kacchi Bani, - in other words any interefernce whatsoever. This is the main reason the Granth has been virtually unaltered or changed in any way? it follows such a strict regime that any alteration or change is IMPOSSIBLE. As a SIKH I believe in the INFALLIBILITY of my GURU JI and the fact that Gurbani is Dhur Ki Bani Ayee for this?.. as a scholar /student of the language I believe this is due to the unique ability of its Editor Guru Arjun Dev Ji?because the languages involved are many and to make them all follow the rules of the Granth is something far beyond a mere human.

This is all off hand and I will write again on this subject after some research to provide some actual examples on the differences between Gurbani and Punjabi.

Jarnail singh arshi gyani.

 
Old 14-06-2007
reshmi_mutiyar
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

thx 4 da info reshu you're very welcome didi ji,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 
Old 14-06-2007
jas_sandhu
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

Originally Posted by reshmi_mutiyar View Post
The assumption a lot of people seem to make is that there is a language called
Punjabi (what we use everyday) and there is the language called Gurmukhi - the
language used to write the Guru Granth Sahib.

So is there two languages ??

Did the Guru's use different language called Gurmukhi??

The answer is No.

Before going further ,apply some logic yourself, would you (if trying to convey a message to a lot people) write the message in new language , which everybody
would have to learn before deciphering the message , OR would you write in the
most commonly used language ??

Remember this - Punjabi is language ( what we speak). Gurmukhi is a script
(how we write punjabi ).

Punjabi is an Indian language which belongs to the outer-circle of the Indo-Aryan languages and distantly related English being a member of the same Indo-European language family. It is a modern Indo-Aryan language spoken mainly in the Punjab states of both India and Pakistan. It nearly resembles Hindi and Urdu.

There are 2 main scripts used , Punjabi speaking Muslims may write Punjabi in the Perso-Arabic script (as used to write Urdu, writing from right to left), this sometimes is referred to as Shahmukhi.

Punjabi is also written using Urdu and Hindi scripts.
Punjabi speaking Sikhs write Punjabi in the Gurmukhi script , which was developed by Guru Andgad dev ji.

Contrary to another popular belief , Guru ji did not invent Gurmukhi from scratch, he modified the Landa (lahnda) script. Then polished the landa script to reflect, pronunciation and the authentic tonal expressions to what is known as Gurmukhi today. The Landa had been around for centuries before the Guru Ji's.

However we must also remember that punjabi itself has evolved along with time,
as any language does. There will be differences between 16th and 17th century and now. Also did you also know that there are different dialects of Punjabi ?

Here is a brief outline of them.

Majhi
Spoken in the heart of Punjab i.e., Lahore , Sialkot, Gujaranwala, Gurdaspur, Amritsar. Most of the population of Punjab lives in this area and linguists also say that Majhi dialect is the "Tixali boli" i.e., it has been influenced by all other dialects

Malwi
Spoken in the east Punjab area of Ludhiana, Ambala, Bathinda, Ganganagar,
Maleerkotla Fazilka, Ferozepur. This area (Malwa) is the southern and central part of present day Indian Punjab. Also includes the Punjabi speaking areas of Haryana, viz. Ambala, Hissar, Sirsa, kurukhetra etc. (northern parts of Haryana mainly).

Doabi
Land between the rivers of Beas and Satluj is called Doaba. Do Aaba lierally means "the land between two waters" in persian. It includes Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur.

Pothohari
The area where Pothohari is spoken extends in the north from Kashmir to as far
south as Jehlum and Gujar Khan and includes the capital of Pakistan, Islamabad.
This dialect is similar to some extent to the Hindko dialect of Punjabi which is spoken in Peshawar, Nowshehra, Mansehra all these areas lie in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan where majority language is Pashto, but Hindko speakers area also found in sizable numbers.

Jhangvi
The region where Jhangvi is spoken stretches from Khanewal to Jhang and includes
the cities of Faisalabad, Chiniot. Jhangvi dialect is also called the "Jangli'' dialect of Punjabi.

Multani
The dialect spoken in Multan, Bahawalpur, Khairpur, Daira Ghazi Khan,
Muzafar Garh i.e., southern deserts of Punjab is called Multani (also Lehndi by some) and perhaps differs from Punjabi more than any other dialect. Those who closely know the dialect say that it is a very "mithi boli." This is the land of Muslim Sufis, perhaps "Shah Shams Sabazwari" who came to Multan in 1165 AD was the first in a long series of Sufis to base themselves in Multan. Multani becomes more and more different as you move down south, as the influence of Sindhi increases, it is also known as Siraiki there. Siraiki itself is Sindhi word and means northern.

(More Information regarding Punjabi by Serjinder Singh)
The cliche that Guru Angad Dev ji made the Gurmukhi alphabet is patently false
(It was propagated by the enemies of Sikhism known as Handalis who wrote the
distorted biography of Guru Nanak Dev ji called Janam Sakhi Bhai Bala).

If one reads that part of Guru Granth Sahib which is known Patti one finds that this Gurbani written by the first Guru ji mentions the letters of Gurmukhi by the same names as we know them today. If Guru Angad Dev ji made the Gurmukhi alphabet how Guru Nanak Dev ji could have mentioned it in his bani several decades earlier.
This script known as Gurmukhi or literally the script used by Gurmukhs existed long before.

Word Gurmukh did not necessarily refer to Gursikhs alone at that period of time but was used by Naths and Sidhs as well. Guru ji in his discussions with the Sidhs use this word to address them as given in the Guru Granth Sahib under the bani titled "Sidh Ghost". All the relevant arguments in support of the above are given in the text books of degree students in Punjab who study the history of Punjabi language and script. In Ludhiana district of Punjab there is a village named Hathoor. There is a sacred well where pilgrims who were traders used to visit and used to get some bricks with their names and details of donations given laid on the inside wall. One of these is written in Gurmukhi as we know it today and gives the date which is in thirteenth century which is long before Guru Nanak Dev ji. I am refering here to the script which is Gurmukhi.

As far as the language is concerned in Punjab the language that is and was spoken is called Punjabi. Now this Punjabi was similar to the Punjabi that we speak in our homes even now. One can read the Saloks of Baba Farid in Guru Granth Sahib which even you born in the west would be able to understand because these are in Punjabi. Baba Farid lived during the thirteenth century couple of centuries before Guru Nanak Dev ji.
In their blind chauvinistic aim to show that the Gurmukhi script belongs only to Sikhs and not to rest of the Punjabis these bigots have created hatred against non-sikhs and alienated them from their own language and past and divided the population of Punjab on religious lines.

The Majhi was called Taxali Boli in earlier part of this century not because it is influenced by other dialects. On the contrary it was considered by some egoist intellectuals living around Lahore and Amritsar that the dialect they speak should be considered standard Punjabi or authentic Punjabi and other dialects were ridiculed.

Word Taxal means mint where authentic coins are made. So, Taxali Boli like the authentic minted coins means authentic or standard language. At present nobody subscribes to this view. Respect shown for all dialects of Punjabi is same. In addition to the dialects listed by you there are some more viz. Puadhi which is spoken in the area between Chandigarh, Patiala and Ropar near the foothills. Dogri or Pahari spoken in Jammu and Mirpur area is also cosidered a dialect of Punjabi.

Okay so far ?

The next argument usually seems to be , why is Guru Granth Sahib so difficult to
comprehend, so it cannot be same language ?
Well the language used in it is not uniform , it contains Hindi, Braj Bhasha, Sanskrit, Marathi, Pharsee, Arabic and also the many dialects of punjabi. Sometimes the words are pronounced the same as an existing punjabi word yet the meaning maybe different due to the origin of the word. Furthermore as mentioned above any language is always in a state of flux, constantly evolving.

More Information regarding Punjabi by Serjinder Singh
Regarding the Gurmukhi script, it is derived from Brahmi used for Asoka's edicts. The Landa script is by and large Gurmukhi script without the vowel signs. In Panjabi word Landa means an animal that has lost its tail. Thus the script which does not have its Siharees or Biharees or Hora, Kanna etc is similar to an animal without a tail. That is why it is called Landa. The Landa script has been in use and still is used for writing accounts in Bahee's by the traders in Punjab. Otherwise the Gurmukhi script was known long before Guruji along with the vowel signs.

An Arab mathematician mentions in tenth century of a mathematician from Punjab whom he saw using a single letter for each numeral whereas till then the Romans and the Arabs had been using several letters for one numeral.
For instance, for three one wrote III and for eight VIII. In Punjab at that time three was written as 3 which is nothing but the first Gurmukhi letter of the Punjabi word tin for three and 2 is the modified first letter of Punjabi word
Do(pronounced as though) for two. No one has noticed this but I can show conclusively that all the nine numerals (which are known as Arabic numerals in West, but Arabs call them Hindsa, meaning brought from Hind or India)are the different letters derived from the Punjabi count words.sucha Ik, Do, Tin, Chaar, Punj etc. Indeed the Arab mathematicial mentions the origin as Punjab of the Hindsas or numerals.

So remember Punjabi is a LANGUAGE , Gurmukhi is SCRIPT !!

thankuu ji......

 
Old 14-06-2007
reshmi_mutiyar
 
Re: PuNjAbI Te GuRmUkHi De ViCh Ki FaRaK HaI?

compliments to panjaban sis g, for a brilliant subject, bohut sohna thread aa


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