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Old 17-02-2009
Ramta
 
Nanak born a Hindu in 1469


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India was first attcked in 652 by the Turkhs - Muslims.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born a Hindu in 1469.

Therefore India was defended between 652 - 1469 ( 900 years) by the Hindus.
Which ensured that in 1469, Guru Nanak was born a Hindu.


Had these Hindus not defended India so well ( between 652-1469), the whole
of Punjab would have been Muslim by the time Guru Nanak was born,
and he himslef would have been born a Muslim ,and hence no SIKHI ???


These Hindus who defended India upto the time of Nanaks birth are our Ancestors.

So who were they ?
Anyone know more about this period, 652 to 1469 ?

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Thanks

 
Old 17-02-2009
grewalsandy
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

22 ji tusi sabat ki karna chaunde ho......

Guru Saab chahe Hindu ghar hunde ya Muslim ghar mainu nahi lagda k koi farak paina c...

j Guru Saab muslim de ghar hunde ne ta v ohna ne puri humanity nu tarna c.... asi ajj ta v Sikh hi hona c....

 
Old 18-02-2009
pps309
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Surprisingly.
sometime this user (Ramta) posts very intelligent post but its disappointment to read this post.

Human beings are born out of other human beings, but philosphies/institutions are not born like human beings. They originate and they originate gradually over a period of time. The philosphy of Nanak (Nanak di Sikhya) was born out of Nanak, not out of his parent's biological relation.
Nanak never fought for Hindus or muslims (Na main hindu, na main muslman), he was for humanity.
If all would have been muslims, his biological origin could have been from a Muslim family. That's it. But his philosphy still have grown (at that time also common man fro both sects hindus or muslims were following him).


Seriously, was there any religion named Hindu in 652? I guess you might need to do lil bit research here?
The word Hindu came from turks.

 
Old 18-02-2009
pps309
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

According to my knowledge, Hinduism is combination of following sects. All these sects were united and term Hindu (ppl leaving across Indus river) came to existence after turks start invading India.

The sects are:
Shaivism
Lingaytism
Vaishnavism
Shaktism

No dobut, that's why even the Hindu God's faces and names are different in different parts of country.

Even the Hindi as a language came into existence much later, before that it was Sanskrit, Braj, Awadhi etc etc.

P.S-> I am not here to hurt anyone's feelings. Just trying to clear some doubt.

 
Old 18-02-2009
abudabu
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Originally Posted by Ramta View Post

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India was first attcked in 652 by the Turkhs - Muslims.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born a Hindu in 1469.

Therefore India was defended between 652 - 1469 ( 900 years) by the Hindus.
Which ensured that in 1469, Guru Nanak was born a Hindu.


Had these Hindus not defended India so well ( between 652-1469), the whole
of Punjab would have been Muslim by the time Guru Nanak was born,
and he himslef would have been born a Muslim ,and hence no SIKHI ???


These Hindus who defended India upto the time of Nanaks birth are our Ancestors.

So who were they ?
Anyone know more about this period, 652 to 1469 ?

-

Thanks
Well, that Guru Nanak ji was born hindu might've been correct factually, but he rejected the philosophical superstitions that came with it, as well as the Jinoo (which is the brahmin string). Towards his death, he attained what we Hindu's called Moksha. He was thus, immortal. No religion can be attached to Guru Nanak Dev ji. His Sikhi become a religion, and that's why a Sikh is called a Sikh, meaning learner.

India was ruled by the Mughals (which was compromised of persians, turks and mongols) till the late 18th century matter of fact.

 
Old 18-02-2009
full_taur
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Originally Posted by Ramta View Post

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India was first attcked in 652 by the Turkhs - Muslims.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born a Hindu in 1469.

Therefore India was defended between 652 - 1469 ( 900 years) by the Hindus.
Which ensured that in 1469, Guru Nanak was born a Hindu.


Had these Hindus not defended India so well ( between 652-1469), the whole
of Punjab would have been Muslim by the time Guru Nanak was born,
and he himslef would have been born a Muslim ,and hence no SIKHI ???


These Hindus who defended India upto the time of Nanaks birth are our Ancestors.

So who were they ?
Anyone know more about this period, 652 to 1469 ?

-

Thanks
Not only Guru Nanak, infact all the ten gurus were born to Hindu families( if thats what matters).

Not only Guru Ji's, Bhagar Kabeer, Bhagat Naamdev and many more were hindus and many were muslims.

 
Old 18-02-2009
Dhillon
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Originally Posted by abudabu View Post
No religion can be attached to Guru Nanak Dev ji. His Sikhi become a religion, and that's why a Sikh is called a Sikh, meaning learner.
Very true and Very well said

 
Old 19-02-2009
abudabu
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Originally Posted by Dhillon View Post
Very true and Very well said
Thanks yaar.

 
Old 19-02-2009
abudabu
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

To the original poster Ramta, here's some details that might explain a bit about who ruled India:

In general Indian history different kingdoms were established in different parts of India, some by foreign invaders. The first known invaders of India were Aryans (also mentioned sometimes as Indo-Aryans). It is believed that the Aryans arrived in north India somewhere from Iran and southern Russia at around 1500 B. C. The Aryans fought and pushed the local people called Dravidians southwards. The Aryans are referred to in Indian history as fair skinned people who pushed the dark skinned Dravidians southwards (see also Aryans and Dravidians - a controversial issue).
The north Indians are considered to be the descendants of the Aryans and the south Indians are considered descendants of the Dravidians. Even today the most basic division of the Indian society is of north Indian Aryans and south Indian Dravidians. But this division isn’t proper. Many Indians emigrated from one part of India to other parts of India and not all local people of north India were pushed southwards by the Aryans. Some stayed and served the Aryans and others moved to live in the forests and the jungles of north India. There were also other foreign immigrations and invaders who arrived mainly in north India. Many Dravidians consider themselves as original Indians and their culture as the original culture of India. They also feel that their culture is discriminated by the north Indians (see also Regional parties).
After the Aryans many others invaded India. Alexander the Great and other Greeks arrived in India. The ancient Persian Empire expanded its boundaries up to India. But the Persian Empire like Alexander the Great, didn’t arrive to the center of present India but to present day Pakistan and up to the borders of present India. But there were other Greeks who arrived in India and established kingdoms in India. Others to arrive in ancient India were Scythians, Kushans and Huns. These invaders also established some kingdoms in India. At a much later period there were Muslim invaders - Turks, Arabs, Afghans and others. And of course the Europeans - Portuguese, Danish, Dutch, French and English. In between Indians also established their own kingdoms and empires. These different kingdoms fought among themselves to expand their kingdom boundaries. But never in Indian history was there a kingdom that ruled the whole of India. These different kingdoms that were established in different parts in India created different aspects of Indian history for different regions of India.
Different regions of India adore different heroes and empires from India’s past. For example people from Maharashtra in west India adore the Maratha Empire which was created in Maharashtra and ruled over large parts of India in the 17th and 18th century. Their most respected hero is Shivaji who created the Maratha Empire. People of Tamil Nadu have their own Tamil originated heroes and empires like the Chola Empire that ruled south India and some parts of north India between the 9th to 13th century. For some period the Cholas also reigned over parts of south Asia, including Sri Lanka, and some islands now parts of Malaysia and Indonesia. At other periods in Indian history other empires were established from Tamil Nadu among them the Pandya Empire and the Pallava Empire.
Two famous empires from Bihar in north-east India were Gupta and Maurya Empires, which ruled most of north India and large parts of south India. One of the Mauryan Emperors, Asoka, had perhaps the largest Indian Empire which covered almost the whole of present India. The Maurya Empire existed somewere between 4th century B. C. till 1st century B. C. The Gupta Empire existed between 4th century A. D. till 7th century A. D.
There were many other empires which were established at different periods in different parts of India and reigned over large parts of India. In south India the Vijayanagar Empire was established in the 14th century. In central India the Bahmani Empire was also established in the 14th century. Alongside with the empires, there were also small kingdoms which ruled on small parts of India. In present day Rajasthan there were many such kingdoms and their rulers belonged to the Rajput caste. The Rajputs even today symbolize the warrior castes of India. These kingdoms sometimes were completely independent and at other times acted as autonomies of bigger empires. Some of these kingdoms came into existence after a collapse of bigger empire and sometimes after a mutiny in a bigger empire. The Bahmani Empire broke up into five kingdoms. The world famous Moghul Empire from the Delhi-Agra region collapsed into many small kingdoms and into Maratha Empire.
The Moghuls are perhaps the most famous of the Indian Empires which ever existed. At their height they controlled the whole of north India, present day Pakistan and large parts of south India. In their empire they had many kings and rulers who were subjected to them. In west India, there were many local rulers who were subjected to the Moghul Empire. These rulers of West India were called Maratha (or Maharatha). Till the Moghul Empire, different Maratha rulers acted sometimes as independent rulers and at other times subjected to different larger kingdoms or empires including the Moghuls.
When Aurangzeb attained the Moghul throne, the empire began its first step towards collapsing. Aurangzeb was a religious and fanatic Muslim. He tried to enforce Islam and Islamic law on his citizens. As a result the Marathas under the leadership of Shivaji revolted and declared independence. Shivaji was also nominated emperor of the Marathas. The Marathas enlarged their empire by taking control over more Moghul territories and other rulers territories.
After Shivaji’s death in 1680 the Maratha people had lot of interior crisis. Sometimes the different Maratha parties acted as one power and at other times as separate independent powers sometimes fighting each other. After Aurengzeb’s death in 1707 the Moghuls started collapsing into separate independent kingdoms even though there was always a acting Moghul Emperor. In this period of chaos in the Moghul and Maratha empires, some European powers – English, French, Dutch, Danish and Portuguese - began controlling Indian territories.
Among these European powers the Portuguese arrived first in India in 1498 via sea after they had circled the whole of the African continent. The Portuguese had to circle the whole of African continent because in those days the Muslim Ottoman Empire of Turkey which ruled the middle east caused lots of problems to European Christian merchants who tried to pass through their land. Therefore the Europeans tried to find other routes to reach India. Columbus tried to get to India while sailing westwards from Europe. Columbus presumed that because the earth is round he would eventually get to India while sailing westwards, instead he found the continent of America whose existence was not known then to the Europeans. Columbus thought that he had arrived in India and called the natives Indians.
The Europeans came to India because of commercial reasons. The Indian sub-continent was then world famous for its spices. Local rulers leased to the Europeans, land so that they could build factories. Later on the Europeans got permits from local leaders to build forts around their factories. The Europeans then established forces to protect their interests. The next step of the European was occupying Indian land with these armies and so one of the European powers, the British, became the rulers of India.
The British control of India was a result of several factors. The Portuguese who along with their business tried to enforce Roman Catholicism on Indian(including the Syrian Christians) were defeated by local rulers sometimes in collaboration with Protestant European powers. But still the Portuguese remained in India with small pockets. Their main center in India was Goa. The Dutch and the Danes left India for their reasons. The two main European powers that remained in India were British and French. These two powers tried different ways to control India and to defeat each other.
The kingdoms of India, especially in north India, sought with the collapse of the Moghul Empire, patronage of another Empire. The French and the British both tried to fill this place. The British succeeded more than the French in convincing the local leaders. But not all Indian rulers were interested in British patronage or British rule on Indian soil. The Sikhs in north India, Marathas rulers in west India and kingdom of Mysore in south India were among those who opposed the British rule.
The British succeeded in defeating the Indian rulers (some of whom got also French assistance against the British) and became the rulers of India. But the French like the Portuguese remained in India with small pockets and both these powers remained in India even after the British left India in 1947.
The British ruled India via two administrative systems. One was ‘Provinces’ and the other ‘Princely States’. Provinces were British territories completely under British control. Princely States were states in British India with local ruler or king with honorary titles like Maharaja, Raja, Maharana, Rana, Nizam, Badshah and other titles meaning king or ruler in different Indian languages. These rulers were subjected to the British Empire.
During India’s independence in 1947 there were 562 Princely States and 11 Provinces.

 
Old 19-02-2009
Bhaarat ki Mitti
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

@ramta

a satguru is someone who has overcome all types of boundaries in human life,
like religon, gender, race etc.

religion is just a means to get to your goal.
and somebody who already has reached the goal does not need religion.
that's why a satguru cannot be called hindu or muslim.

Guru Naanak Devji was such a satguru, who had reached the destination,
and founded a new religion to teach his way of acheving god.

btw, the indo-aryan word 'great' has it's root in the sanskrit word 'guru'.
a true guru is all encompassing and compassionate towards all of mankind.

@ppsbaaji

it's not true that hinduism is incoherent and consists of many sects.
western 'scholars' say that .. actually it's their propaganda

the vedas are the basis of hinduism and everything you find in vaishnav, shaiveet or other scriptures you'll find in the vedas and up.vedas (upanishads)

and we were indeed first called "hindu" by foreigners.
the reason behind this is,
that hinduism is an universal religion and applies to every situation anywhere in the world.
and accordingly hindus are cosmopolitans.

the knowledge of the vedas "vaasudev kuTumbakam": the whole world is my family,
does not match with ganging up against another group of human beings.

so, hindus never gave themselves any name.
i think that's a good thing.

 
Old 19-02-2009
pps309
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Originally Posted by Bhaarat ki Mitti View Post

@ppsbaaji

it's not true that hinduism is incoherent and consists of many sects.
western 'scholars' say that .. actually it's their propaganda

the vedas are the basis of hinduism and everything you find in vaishnav, shaiveet or other scriptures you'll find in the vedas and up.vedas (upanishads)

and we were indeed first called "hindu" by foreigners.
the reason behind this is,
that hinduism is an universal religion and applies to every situation anywhere in the world.
and accordingly hindus are cosmopolitans.

the knowledge of the vedas "vaasudev kuTumbakam": the whole world is my family,
does not match with ganging up against another group of human beings.

so, hindus never gave themselves any name.
i think that's a good thing.
thanks for sharing.

Yeah, there were no Hindu before foreigners start invading India. There were shiv bhagats (used to go to Shivalaya), vishnu bhagats, lingayats and others but no hindus. Even there was no India, also the word Hindutsan came much later, in my knowledge Guru Nanak Ji was the first one to come with the term Hindostan.

I am not here to demean or criticize any religion, coz if I do so I am the most stupid man on this world.
Hindu, Muslims or any other religion, all people are same for me. I judge ppl based on their character not on their religion.

 
Old 19-02-2009
abudabu
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Originally Posted by pps309 View Post
thanks for sharing.

Yeah, there were no Hindu before foreigners start invading India. There were shiv bhagats (used to go to Shivalaya), vishnu bhagats, lingayats and others but no hindus. Even there was no India, also the word Hindutsan came much later, in my knowledge Guru Nanak Ji was the first one to come with the term Hindostan.

I am not here to demean or criticize any religion, coz if I do so I am the most stupid man on this world.
Hindu, Muslims or any other religion, all people are same for me. I judge ppl based on their character not on their religion.
I'm not sure if the stuff you've said is correct, but I do know that Hindustan was word that the Persians gave. They were the first to categorize us as Hindus (a dervative from Indus), and called the place "Hindustan".

 
Old 20-02-2009
pps309
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Originally Posted by abudabu View Post
I'm not sure if the stuff you've said is correct, but I do know that Hindustan was word that the Persians gave. They were the first to categorize us as Hindus (a dervative from Indus), and called the place "Hindustan".
I am pretty sure, what I said is correct.
You can check this thread, someone else also told that it is mentioned in the Baani also.
http://www.unp.me/f16/the-word-hindustan-37564/

The word is Hindostan but meaning is same.

 
Old 20-02-2009
abudabu
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

Originally Posted by pps309 View Post
I am pretty sure, what I said is correct.
You can check this thread, someone else also told that it is mentioned in the Baani also.
http://www.unp.me/f16/the-word-hindustan-37564/

The word is Hindostan but meaning is same.
Hindustan is derived from the Persian word Hindu, which is itself is derived from Sindhu, Sanskrit for the Indus River. This together with a popular suffix -stān, which is also derived from Persian (stan), meaning land gave birth to the word 'Hindustan', which was rendered as Hindusthan. Literally, the word means land of the Hindus.

So hence, the ppl who gave Indians the word Hindustan was the Persians. There have been mentions of "Hindustan" among Indian and Kashmiri texts dating back to early 1300's.

 
Old 21-02-2009
rgxsingh
 
Re: Nanak born a Hindu in 1469

ramta gone mad... wat i want 2 say is guru ji was born for humanity... and mind you gurus followers were called sikh either they were hindu or muslim.... so what do Ramta wants to prove....? idont know... if we are living in secular country alll such talks are not gud for brotherhoood.


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