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Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

@Mahaj!! Veer "Gur Ki Maat Tu Leh E_yah_neh (fool), Bhagat (bhagti) bina bohot dhubeh Siyaneh(people who think they are way too smart)" Chinese made guru koi nahi sigah Veer. Please .....


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Old 02-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

@Mahaj!! Veer "Gur Ki Maat Tu Leh E_yah_neh (fool), Bhagat (bhagti) bina bohot dhubeh Siyaneh(people who think they are way too smart)"

Chinese made guru koi nahi sigah Veer. Please koshish karo eis trah dubara na eis trah kisi guru nu keho. When someone starts doing deep meditation..jadon dasva dwaar khul jandah...(9 doors to your body are...two eyes, two nose trails, two ears, one mouth, Anus, and Urethra. The tenth door is to your soul..Aatam Duwaar)

How do you get to your tenth door in your body....well!! deep meditation of naam. A dead person and alive person both have oxyzen around them...well!! what is the difference than?..why can't a dead person breath air? Oxygen is around them as well. You know why they can't breath...cuz praan shakti is no more in their body. This Praan shaakti is the only power that takes breath from your nose into to your body. When you concentrate on your breath in deep mediation..you slowly discover your praan shaakti....its a beat..a vibration...a constant beat that is present in the universe as well. "gaa_van tudh_ano khaand mandal varphandaa..kar kar rakeh tere dhaareh" ....that praan shaakti....as you start to follow it...it slowly takes you to the tenth door in your body...to your soul.

Mahaj phaji!! A Bram Giyaani can predict his/her own death to exact date and time..why?? Cuz the praan shaakti.....instead of going inside the body like it always did before....it slowly starts to travel outwards....wanting to leave the body. Thats how they can predict their own time of death. Our other gurus were not chinese made Mahaj...but they all predicted their own death...knew they are going to die in few days or months.
Every Guru before his death...established another Guru. They knew their end was near. Guru Nanak..Guru Nanak wasn't sick or anything. Yet he made Guru Aangads ( Bhai Lehna) his sucessor...Guru Aangad made Guru Amardas and than passed away. Guru Amardas gave 9 years and some odd months of his age to Guru Ramdas ji upon bibi bhani's request. Veer Mahaj...you should start reading Guru Suraj Pratap Granth..maybe that will help.

Guru Ramdas predicted his death and gave guru gaadii to Guru Arjun.
Guru Arjun before leaving to lahore...knew he is going to be tortured and knew he will not make it..made Guru HarGobind Guru. Guru HarGobind made his grandson..guru HarRai Guru before his death. Guru HarRai sucessor was his son Guru Harkrishan...than Guru HarKrishan...Being in Delhi..took 5 paise..na_real (coconut) and made parkarmaa around Guru Tej Bahadar( Taiyaag Mal) in his Dhiyaan when he was in meditation in his Bhora in Bakala..

How did Guru Teh Bahadaar helped bhai Maakhan Shah Lubana? Oh vi sach hai ke gal baniyeeh hoyi hai jiveh tusi te Gill kehnde ho.

The reason Guru Nanak left this earth with his body cuz he was himself aap parmesawar. Niraankar Roop Si Aap Oh. These people are like a bubble in water...(when divers are in water..you see the air bubbles) they are part of the water...yet still have a seperate identity. They can come and leave this world at their own wish. Samaj lag gayi bhai.
Gill Eh Gallan Nahi Veer!!! Sacch hai. Nahi Kujh Baniyaah Hoya..This is history..read it...and next time..kujh soch ke boliya karo.

 
Old 02-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Originally Posted by *sippu* View Post
^^sari umar skoola ch eh parde rahe ke jyoti jot samaye ne .. hun ajj eh navi gal sun lahi

They teach you everything in school...why not about money? Did you ever wonder...I learned everything in school..but in school no one taught me about how money works..who created money...etc etc.

Cuz no one wants you to learn about money. Only few wealthy families in this world control money.

Eis trah sippu ji...school and religion is totally different. God is not tangiable..you cannot touch God and feel it. Its a journey that you have to take yourself
"bohot janam vichre the madaoo..eh janam tumare lehkeh. Keh Ravidas aash laag jevo..chir piyo darshan dehkeh"

Bohot Janamaa di tapasiyaa toh vaad kitteh jah ke mehar hundi hai madam sippu ji.

japji sahib wich pehla sunnan diya porRiyan aundiyaa ne..pher maanna diyah. Jis ne sunn ke maan liya..oh ta tar gaya..
"manneh ki gatth kahi na jayi..."

Jinna nu aapni maat jayadaa vaadi lagdii hai...koi nah bhai...hasde vasdeh raho...
"seaat saiYaanpa Lakh hon...ta ek na challeh nal"

Pher maharaj kehndeh..kiv sachiyaara hoi hai..kim kooreh tutteh bhal... the answer is in Gods hukam
Hukaam rajai chalana nanak likhiya naal"

Koi Hukaam ta dhur di gal...guru di history vi nahi mandaah.

 
Old 03-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

pehla te fakeera nu siyana kehan lai bahut bahut dhanwaad....shukar aa kite sanu v seyane hoon da tagma milea lol
aa jehra kamm aa na ..ee pehla te bipran te mahant karde hunde c..k shanka nai karni ..basam hojogey ...sawal nai karna...tabahi hojju ...fer sikh gurus ne ede bilkul ulat ..ik "tatt giyaan" paida keeta ...jehda matlab ..kise v question di facts naal tasali karvauni ...ede vich hi "vichaar" "khoj" nu ehemiyat diti gayi ...par afosooos...ajj kal de gatra dhari pundits ne v ehi kamm shuru kar lea...k shanka nai karni ...seyane nai banna ....manmukh sawaal puchde ne .....par satgur ohi poora hunda jehra poorey jawab de sakke...na k "bahute seyane na bano" keh k rumala charaun lai keh deve....akser jado ehi gatra dhari pandit nu jawab nai aunde...tan o manu keh dinda " hum nai chngey bura nai koe" chalo tusi navi tuk bakshih keeti meharbani ....
now to the point
* 10 dawar da ..... aloop ho jaan naal ki sambandhh ?? moreover nanak seems to blv more in giyaan or naam shakti ..than in praan shakti
** mae kado keha predict nai karde...i m saying ...k eda aloop nahi ho sakde(sply sikh gurus)...jeena marna hukam hae...te j nanak app hi ess hukam de ulat ja rahe ne ..jehre nu o follow kar rahe ne te karan lai keh rahe ne ...menu odd jeha lagda...fer te kite kujj galat hoea
***veerji ..mere ton aje sggs ate dasam granth hi nahi mukk rahe....thnu kahnia paran ch majja aunda ...tusi lao majje ...mere lai sggs te dasam enf ne i guess...j ena cho kujj na labea ..te thde kolon copy mang leunga suraj partap di ....
****mae bhaji kadd keha prediction nahi kar sakda..prediction te thora jeha intellect banda v kar sakda...and gurus were ultimate anyway ...but alop kida ho gae...jehre aloop hoon nu oo khandd de rahe ...ona nu tusi ohi kari jande oo
*****How did Guru Teh Bahadaar helped bhai Maakhan Shah Lubana? ..mennu ki pata bhaji .. e te hun patshai 9 app ee dass sakde ne ...10 dawar da link ho sakda pai koi ..
*******tusi kehnde o nanak parmeshar a..?? isssssshhhhhhhhhh
j nanak parmeshar aa te fer krishan ..te shivji...te barhma ...te jesus christ te hazrat saab ..laal mata...shera vali maata te even sorry to add nirmal baba v parmeshar aa yan te ena cho koi nai ..te yan ee sarey te hor sathi v ne??? ....eda jawab deo plss
bakki j chinese kehan naal "thdian bhaavnava nu thees" laggi a te ode lai khima da jachak aa....
umeeed aa thnu history cho answer labb jaangey

 
Old 03-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Pehla mein tuhanau siyaana nahi keha. Read the Tukk again.
“please take guru’s matt..because without mediation of Naam.many fools have drowned into maya sagaar who thought they were way too smart”
Pehla Agar Nanak Parmeshawar Hai? Eis Da Jabab..
Sadiyaa Aakhaa (eyes) bhautakvaadi ne. They constantly look outside. They can only look what is outside. Can our eyes look inside of you Mahaj? Not possible…right??...Cuz you cannot look inside of you with your eyes. You can only look whats outside..cuz thats how our eyes are designed to do and they only have limited power.
With your eyes, you can measure someone's wealth (car’s, houses, cash), can measure someone's greebi, can measure only materialistic things. Eyes are bhautakvaadi ( can only look outside)
Before I answer this question...Ram was consider Avtaar..why?? cuz he is son of a king..Dashraat(he is rich..army...queens..power etc) People like you and me are only bhotakvaadi...since Ram belongs to a Rich Father...OH Ji Ram is an Avtaar.
Now comes Krishan...again..from a high caste..uncle is a king(Kaansh..power..fame etc) he is considered avtaar.
Now comes budda...again son of a king (wealthy, powerful) bhotakvaadi people like you and me said he is Avtaar...cuz they could see the wealth that is attached with Budda..materialistic things.
Now comes Guru Nanak (high caste...considerably well off family) bhotakvaadi people like you and me made him an Avtaar..
Now what about Kabeer(Jhulaaha)...Ravidas (chamaar)..Dhaana (kissan jatt), Naamdev, Bheekan Ji..and many other bhagaats....why weren't they given the title of Avtaar.
Because Bhotakvaadi people like you and me...Unfortunately cannot measure the richness...that is inside of them Mahaj Phaji. Since these bhagaats belonged to low caste, were poor..barely made a living...people like you can me..didn’t give them the credit they deserve...cuz we weren't able to measure their wealth, power, fame from the outside..period.
That’s the same go for people who don’t believe that he is a God himself. Cuz your eyes are bhotakvaadi…you cannot measure someone else’s wealth on the inside. Their thoughts, maan di avaastah.
I have a feeling that you don’t believe in religion. I might be wrong…but the way you are asking questions…I can make a bit of judgment.
You know Mahaj ek bhaandaah (pot..bartaan..pateela) ush di awaaz toh patah chal jandaa mahaj veer ke oh kina bhariyaa hoya hai… te kina nahi…Ja Pher bilku khali piya…..test kar liyo..saamj lag jai gi veer..what I am trying to say to you….Ushi tara I made this judgment on you.
I am sure you read or heard the “stories” of Rishii’s Munni’s, bhagats who did tapasiya for many life times….From this Tapasiyaa they were able to exit the cycle of life and death. Hindu mythology.. 101 for you. Agar einni tapasiyaa kar ke..these people were able to exit the life cycle…what tapasiya ram did? What Tapasiyaa Krishan did? What Tapasiyaa Guru nanak did? What Tapasiyaa Budda ji did?
These people didn’t do tapasiyaa..they were Sargoon to Nirgoon Roop themselves. Tapasiyaa Guru Nanak Ne Bachaan wich nahi kitti. So you can only make judgment that ke Oh eh avaastaa maan di niraakaar to aap leh kea aye sun.
When Bala came to Guru Angaad to tell the stories and tales of where they been..who they met during the 4 udaasi’s…Guru Angaad asked Bala ji..please describe Guru Nanak for me. Bala ji said…Maharaaj..oh ta sant bande sun. Bala ji asked Guru Angaad..what about you? How would you describe Guru Nanak. Guru Angaad said..he was god to me. Oh tuhade layi sant hon geh..par mere layi oh aap parmeshwar sun. Bala chup kar ke kehan lagaah..maharaaj..main ohna nu sant maan liya…ta oh mainu sant bana ke chale gaye…te tusi ohna nu raab maan liya..tahi oh tuhanu raab bana ke chale gaye.
“Maaneh ki ghaat kahi na jai.”
Hun tusi mainu kavoh geh!! Where you there during this conversation. So I am going to ask you this question when you were in your 2nd class learning 2+2=4. Did you believe your teacher? Ofcourse you did…if someone had told you mahaj…no your teacher is wrong..2+2=5..you would have said no!! I believe my teacher period.

Baki Keha Suniyaa Maaf. I will write more. This just is partial answer to the question above..wait for more bro..I am not done yet! I have to go now

 
Old 03-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Nanak Believe more in Naam shaakti than praan shakti?
Okay bro!! You are on a journey. You have been traveling and now you come across a river. You have to cross this river to continue your journey ahead. You discover a boat on the river bank.you get on a boat and you cross the river and reached the other side. What will you do with the boat now Mahaj? You are on your journey...and this boat has served the purpose to take you across the river. Now will you carry this boat with you on your journey or leave the boat on the river bank?
I am sure you will agree to leave the boat on the river bank and continue on with the journey.
That same applies to our body. Soul has a journey to meet the supreme being. You body is the boat. You cannot cross this sagar of maya without this body (ie body). If there is no praan shaakti veer...there is no life....how can one do naam and achieve naam shakti? Guru nanak have to have praan shaakti to take oxygen inside...speak...walk, talk to someone and spread the word of GOD. I hope you try to grasp what I am trying to tell you about this subject bro. None of us can exist without praan shaakti...sit in meditation mode...concentrate on the soft tissue of your nose and breath..when you concentrate deeper and deeper..you will discover your praan shaakti...that beat. (not your heart beat)
Sikh guru's established many nagar's and villages...
Guru Nanak-Kartarpur
Guru Angad-Khadoor Sahib
Guru Amardas-Gobindwal
Guru Ramdas & Guru Arjun-Amritsar
Guru Hargobind-many villages and small town
Guru Teg Bahadar & Guru Gobind-Kiratpur..Anandpur
During the construction of Gobindwal..a heavy rain storm sets in on the town. The town is being built (kache ghar) and it rained quiet heavily for 2-3 days.
When rained stopped Guru Amardas took some sikh with him to do inspection of the town and to see if someone need any help (kaandh gir gayi...kothaa choo gaya etc etc) while guru ji is walking with his sikh in a small tiny street...a tall wall starts falling due to the rain. The sikh ran to escape this so did the guru. The sikh questioned later to the guru...we are humans...we had to run because we feared our death..what about you guru ji? why did you run? Guru Amardas said...This body is a gift from God..I have to take care of it. It is my duty...not until its my time to go..I cannot temper with it..or damage it. I have to use this boat to cross the sagar of maya. like you wouldn't tamper with that boat while crossing the river in your journey..thats the same way you have to take care of this body.
Mahaj bhai!! Guru Nanak have to have praan shaakti before naam shaakti or giyaan shaakti.
Dasaam Dawaar Nal bandaa Alooop ho jaan da ki sabaandh?
Imagine a plan view of five rooms. Okay draw one room on a pieces of paper...with doors opening outwards...another room within the first room and doors opening outwards. Like the attached picture.
The difference between the two rooms on the outside and the 3 rooms on the inside...the doors on the two outside opens outwards and the doors on the 3 rooms opens inward.
99% of the people live their life in the last two rooms on the outside...bhautakvadi people like you and me...you see whats tangible and believe in this myth of world..this maya. They take their life as a social event..kao..peooyoh..maujaa loottoh type..and stay satisfied in these two room. they never knock on the 3rd room. Their physical needs and emotional needs are met..they are happy in these two doors. On door is physical..and the other is emotional.
3rd rooms door opens inward toward your self consciousness.
Great Painters, Great Philosophers, Great Poets, Great Novelists, Singers, Musicians etc knock on the third door cuz they are sick and tired of the two doors. Oh eis duniyaa nu bohot kareeb ho ke dheek lindeh ne. Ush to udaas ho ke aapne andaar atamak kranti leh ke aunde ne.
RavinderNath Tagore..Dr. Mohammed Iqbal, Mirza Ghalib..etc. They are not bhagats but when they get upset with their lives, they stay in the 3rd room and do amazing things...but do come back to room 1 and two.
Now only .005% will knock on the 4th room...where they continue to their path..but reach ridhi sidhi's (hindu mythology of 9 ridhi's 18 sidhis) spiritual power. But when they get attached to these ridhi's they cannot move toward 5th door..because haumeeh(mein) is still there..Haumeeh causes the 5 evils. You only reach God in the 5th room and very few go there.
If these philosophers, writers, poets, musicians, singers can do marvels in the 3rd room..what about the people in the 5th?
bro! ask any good musican...okay ask A.R. Rehman...have you reached the depth of all the music in this world..he will say no. Now what about God and his sounds in the nature? Can A. R. Rehman copy or create all of them. Ask any good painter...the same. You will see a painter painting a leaf...with 20 different green colors to show that perfect detail. What about that God painter who made different trees, leaves, seeds, flowers? Can this amazing painter make all of it? No Mahaj veer. Being in the 3rd room..he can do amazing paint...some people can do amazing thinking....so the people in the 5th room cannot alop...when they have become god themself.
Nanak Bram Giyaani Aap Parmesawaar. (Guru Arjan..sukhmani sahib)
Tohi Mohi..Mohi Tohi..Antaar kaisa..Kanak Kataak Jal Trang Jaisa
(Ravi Das ji...saying to God...you have become I and I have become you..there is no difference now. Like Kanak (Gold) and Kataak (jewelery) has no difference (you make jewerly out of gold and when you melt the jewellry it becomes gold again)...like Jal(ocean) traang (wave) have no difference(no matter how much the wave lift itself from the ocean..it reaches back into it).
I hope you try to graps the subject bro..sorry bohot type karnaa peh reha..wish the debate was verbal. I am still not done..I will write more and answer all your questions
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Old 04-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Originally Posted by mazmarizer View Post
Pehla mein tuhanau siyaana nahi keha. Read the Tukk again.
“please take guru’s matt..because without mediation of Naam.many fools have drowned into maya sagaar who thought they were way too smart”
--chalo fool kehta..baut baut mann baksheya..

Originally Posted by mazmarizer View Post
Pehla Agar Nanak Parmeshawar Hai? Eis Da Jabab..
Sadiyaa Aakhaa (eyes) bhautakvaadi ne. They constantly look outside. They can only look what is outside. Can our eyes look inside of you Mahaj? Not possible…right??...Cuz you cannot look inside of you with your eyes. You can only look whats outside..cuz thats how our eyes are designed to do and they only have limited power.
With your eyes, you can measure someone's wealth (car’s, houses, cash), can measure someone's greebi, can measure only materialistic things. Eyes are bhautakvaadi ( can only look outside)
Before I answer this question...Ram was consider Avtaar..why?? cuz he is son of a king..Dashraat(he is rich..army...queens..power etc) People like you and me are only bhotakvaadi...since Ram belongs to a Rich Father...OH Ji Ram is an Avtaar.
Now comes Krishan...again..from a high caste..uncle is a king(Kaansh..power..fame etc) he is considered avtaar.
Now comes budda...again son of a king (wealthy, powerful) bhotakvaadi people like you and me said he is Avtaar...cuz they could see the wealth that is attached with Budda..materialistic things.
Now comes Guru Nanak (high caste...considerably well off family) bhotakvaadi people like you and me made him an Avtaar..
Now what about Kabeer(Jhulaaha)...Ravidas (chamaar)..Dhaana (kissan jatt), Naamdev, Bheekan Ji..and many other bhagaats....why weren't they given the title of Avtaar.
Because Bhotakvaadi people like you and me...Unfortunately cannot measure the richness...that is inside of them Mahaj Phaji. Since these bhagaats belonged to low caste, were poor..barely made a living...people like you can me..didn’t give them the credit they deserve...cuz we weren't able to measure their wealth, power, fame from the outside..period.
That’s the same go for people who don’t believe that he is a God himself. Cuz your eyes are bhotakvaadi…you cannot measure someone else’s wealth on the inside. Their thoughts, maan di avaastah.
so basically ..u mean ravidas...krishan ..ram ...hazrfat.. jesus..nirmal baba...sirrri vale sain ...all are god....hmmm ..pakki gal aa..??
yes or no ch daseo ...mae bhotavadi aa bahatak jana nai taan...ik vaar fer ik chit ho k ...10 dawar khol k ...bhotak vad ton uper uthh k ...desicion dena apna ...k ravidas..dhanna..nanak ...hazrat saab ..krishan....sabb rabb ne ??? appo apne jamane de ...yes or no

Originally Posted by mazmarizer View Post
I have a feeling that you don’t believe in religion. I might be wrong…but the way you are asking questions…I can make a bit of judgment.
You know Mahaj ek bhaandaah (pot..bartaan..pateela) ush di awaaz toh patah chal jandaa mahaj veer ke oh kina bhariyaa hoya hai… te kina nahi…Ja Pher bilku khali piya…..test kar liyo..saamj lag jai gi veer..what I am trying to say to you….Ushi tara I made this judgment on you.
haha..veere ...fakeera barey na socho ...j tusi fakeera barey sochogey te fer majboran fakeera nu thde barey v sochna paiga ...hanna...so ..ee question gud aa thda..tusi nava thrd banna sakde a k mahaj blv in religion or not...par..ess vele tusi eder uder jayda kar rahe aa te jehra aloop hoon da subject a...ode ton kaafi door aa..te mere questions ton v
chalo gharrey khalli hi sai ... khalli gharra v pakkea hunda....ho sakda ethe kai gharrey aje kacche hi ture firde hoon ...te uper gurbani di tuk likh k pke hoon di sifarish kar rahe hoon ..samaj na v lage te koi gal nai

Originally Posted by mazmarizer View Post
I am sure you read or heard the “stories” of Rishii’s Munni’s, bhagats who did tapasiya for many life times….From this Tapasiyaa they were able to exit the cycle of life and death. Hindu mythology.. 101 for you. Agar einni tapasiyaa kar ke..these people were able to exit the life cycle…what tapasiya ram did? What Tapasiyaa Krishan did? What Tapasiyaa Guru nanak did? What Tapasiyaa Budda ji did?
These people didn’t do tapasiyaa..they were Sargoon to Nirgoon Roop themselves. Tapasiyaa Guru Nanak Ne Bachaan wich nahi kitti. So you can only make judgment that ke Oh eh avaastaa maan di niraakaar to aap leh kea aye sun.
hahaha... manu lageya c thnu sachi vava pata ..disappointed me ...tapaseya jogi karde hunde ...sikh nahi...jayada jaankari lai sidh ghost parro ji ... tusi oo "jogi" usa vale de lecture te nai sun lae kitte ...just asking ? kassh tusi panth parkash di thaan sidh gost parri hundi ..chalo koi na


Originally Posted by mazmarizer View Post
When Bala came to Guru Angaad to tell the stories and tales of where they been..who they met during the 4 udaasi’s…Guru Angaad asked Bala ji..please describe Guru Nanak for me. Bala ji said…Maharaaj..oh ta sant bande sun. Bala ji asked Guru Angaad..what about you? How would you describe Guru Nanak. Guru Angaad said..he was god to me. Oh tuhade layi sant hon geh..par mere layi oh aap parmeshwar sun. Bala chup kar ke kehan lagaah..maharaaj..main ohna nu sant maan liya…ta oh mainu sant bana ke chale gaye…te tusi ohna nu raab maan liya..tahi oh tuhanu raab bana ke chale gaye.
“Maaneh ki ghaat kahi na jai.”
Hun tusi mainu kavoh geh!! Where you there during this conversation. So I am going to ask you this question when you were in your 2nd class learning 2+2=4. Did you believe your teacher? Ofcourse you did…if someone had told you mahaj…no your teacher is wrong..2+2=5..you would have said no!! I believe my teacher period.
barri vaddia khani aa ji ehh...u answered urself my dear...offcourse in 2nd class i wont ...but later...i will for sure...may be during mse mathematics ... tusi kahania parro te sunao ..falsaafe nu maro goli ..."hum kukar tere darbaar" .."hum kukar APNE hi darbar" kyu nai aa fer ??? ...jo tuddh bhave soi bhalikaar....kaho nanak ..sabb TERI vadaeyi
sakhian chadd do hun ...ajj kahania te blv kar rahe ...kal nu paintings te blv karogey ....SGGS ths all u need ....babe nanak dian moortian vikdian ajj market ch ...thdian sakhian te nanak rabb di soch saddka .....kal nu mere varge ne nanak de hath ch ak 47 farra k painting banna ti yan book likhva ti fer ki karogey ...? widout period :D

 
Old 04-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

I am sure you read or heard the “stories” of Rishii’s Munni’s, bhagats who did tapasiya for many life times….From this Tapasiyaa they were able to exit the cycle of life and death. Hindu mythology.. 101 for you. Agar einni tapasiyaa kar ke..these people were able to exit the life cycle…what tapasiya ram did? What Tapasiyaa Krishan did? What Tapasiyaa Guru nanak did? What Tapasiyaa Budda ji did?
These people didn’t do tapasiyaa..they were Sargoon to Nirgoon Roop themselves. Tapasiyaa Guru Nanak Ne Bachaan wich nahi kitti. So you can only make judgment that ke Oh eh avaastaa maan di niraakaar to aap leh kea aye sun.
hahaha... manu lageya c thnu sachi vava pata ..disappointed me ...tapaseya jogi karde hunde ...sikh nahi...jayada jaankari lai sidh ghost parro ji ... tusi oo "jogi" usa vale de lecture te nai sun lae kitte ...just asking ? kassh tusi panth parkash di thaan sidh gost parri hundi ..chalo koi na


Jogiyaa wich hankaar si!! Ki assi supreme hai...tapasiya kar layi...riddhi siddhi use karde sun te ohna sakhtiya da hunkaar si. Oh vaajah karke maharaaj boldeh ke bai tuhadiya riddiya siddiya tuhade laye rasteh di rookavaata baniya hoiyaa. You haven't formed into the supreme being. Tuhaade wich aajeh vi haumeeh hai. They were all stuck in the fourth room. Sikh nu hukam ki kitta maharaaj ne. Kiraat Karo, Waand Sakho..Naam Japo. How do you tend to do naam jaap? Swaash Giraas ( with every breath and with every bit you read...be greatful to god) rom rom nal jaapo. SGGS ji da Guru Granth Darpan Study karo by bhai sahib singh..maybe you will understand samaadi.
Guru sat guru ka jo sikh akaveeh..so bhalke uddh har naam dhaiyaveh. Why would Guru's do samaadi early in the morning...guru nanak did the same...you are off topic veer..I am not. Verbal debate karleh. Whey did 26 year 9 months & 13 days Guru Teg Bahadar was in a bhora in baakala. Eh vi jhoot hai pher hai bai? Guru nanak's own sun...sri chand..become udaasi...oh vi jhoot hai pher. Guru Gobind writing in Dasaam Granth..that he was leen in samaadi before akal puraak ordered him to go in human form. Eh bhi jhoot hai. Guru Nanak never stopped any one from samaadi...but wanted the pakhaand out. Log saach nal tutt ke (one supreme god) were attached to millions of other gods..middle man. Guru nanak msg was that other devi devtaas are created by god.. attach urself to the real supreme being..not devi devatee.
Sikh...jo sikhiyaa lindaah..sikh ho hukam mandaa.
Anand Sahib...21 & 22 paurri parro.
je Ko Sikh...and then je ko guru te behmukh..
why didn't guru arardas use "je ko sikh guru te behmukh..."
jo guru toh behmukh ho gaya..he is not sikh period. Meri tussh buddhi hai..meri aapni koi Knowledge nahi hai bai ji...Guru ne jo thori bohot matt ditti hai..ush nal gal kar reha. par tusi oh knowledge accept hi nahi kardeh!! Eis wich meri galti nahi.

Tusi Jitt ke gaye bai ji! I am not going to debate on this...I think its totally pointless to speak to sikh who disagree on their own Guru's teachings, their own history..and hindu mythology..that is evident in SSGS.

 
Old 04-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Pehla Agar Nanak Parmeshawar Hai? Eis Da Jabab..
Sadiyaa Aakhaa (eyes) bhautakvaadi ne. They constantly look outside. They can only look what is outside. Can our eyes look inside of you Mahaj? Not possible…right??...Cuz you cannot look inside of you with your eyes. You can only look whats outside..cuz thats how our eyes are designed to do and they only have limited power.
With your eyes, you can measure someone's wealth (car’s, houses, cash), can measure someone's greebi, can measure only materialistic things. Eyes are bhautakvaadi ( can only look outside)
Before I answer this question...Ram was consider Avtaar..why?? cuz he is son of a king..Dashraat(he is rich..army...queens..power etc) People like you and me are only bhotakvaadi...since Ram belongs to a Rich Father...OH Ji Ram is an Avtaar.
Now comes Krishan...again..from a high caste..uncle is a king(Kaansh..power..fame etc) he is considered avtaar.
Now comes budda...again son of a king (wealthy, powerful) bhotakvaadi people like you and me said he is Avtaar...cuz they could see the wealth that is attached with Budda..materialistic things.
Now comes Guru Nanak (high caste...considerably well off family) bhotakvaadi people like you and me made him an Avtaar..
Now what about Kabeer(Jhulaaha)...Ravidas (chamaar)..Dhaana (kissan jatt), Naamdev, Bheekan Ji..and many other bhagaats....why weren't they given the title of Avtaar.
Because Bhotakvaadi people like you and me...Unfortunately cannot measure the richness...that is inside of them Mahaj Phaji. Since these bhagaats belonged to low caste, were poor..barely made a living...people like you can me..didn’t give them the credit they deserve...cuz we weren't able to measure their wealth, power, fame from the outside..period.
That’s the same go for people who don’t believe that he is a God himself. Cuz your eyes are bhotakvaadi…you cannot measure someone else’s wealth on the inside. Their thoughts, maan di avaastah.
so basically ..u mean ravidas...krishan ..ram ...hazrfat.. jesus..nirmal baba...sirrri vale sain ...all are god....hmmm ..pakki gal aa..??
yes or no ch daseo ...mae bhotavadi aa bahatak jana nai taan...ik vaar fer ik chit ho k ...10 dawar khol k ...bhotak vad ton uper uthh k ...desicion dena apna ...k ravidas..dhanna..nanak ...hazrat saab ..krishan....sabb rabb ne ??? appo apne jamane de ...yes or no


Kya Gulaab da phul eh soch ke decide karda...ke mein kisi muslim de ghar nahi uggnah...ya hindu de ghar nahi uggnah...ya chrishan de ghar nahi uggnah. God loves everything and everyone he created. Agar sikh de guru's di awaastaa eni unchi si...ta kya hindu ya muslimaan veeraa di devi devtaa ja hazraat di awaastaa nahi unchi ho sakhdi?
mein kissi nirmal babe de gal nahi kardah.
"Manuk ke tekh birthi saab jaan...devan ko eko bhagwaan" (sukhmani sahib)
My SSGS ji connected me to one supreme lord...but how do I connect to that God..through SATGURU PARSAAD (through my sache SSGS ji. I look for the guidance of SANT but I think of them as God)
Aapne sariya guru's ne ek akal puraak nal jorRiya sanu. Unaa ne nahi keha ke bhai asi raab hain tusi sanu phoojo. Par jadon bandee di maan di awaastaa eni unchi ho jandi hai..oh nu nature di ek ek cheez wicho raab nazaar aan lag jandah. Oh bandaa hi aap parmeswaar ho gya....jis wich eni humility ho gayi...har ek cheez da taiyaag ho gaya. Je har paase waheguru aap varat da hai...agar raab mere hirdee wich rehndaa...that I am a representative of GOD...so are you...and everything walking on this earth. Eh maan di awaasta hundi hai bai...you wont understand it. Goongeh di mathaii da swaad....Gurua de sameh vi varohdi sun...te hun ve ne.

 
Old 06-05-2012
Mahaj
 
Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

bhaji ki yaar tusi 10 dawar...9 dawar...5 room da raula paea....!! eda saukha kamm hunda te 1430 varke likhan di ki lorr c ?? sida do lines likh k gal mukaunde k nassa te conc karo rabb miljooo... pata nai kehra apne ee version da granth parri jande aa tusi...
ee fareedkoti teeke ne jina berra garak keeta ona te gangu ne nai keeta ...mahnata de ashirvaad naal oo teeka banea...te mahanta di daal roti nanak nu rabb banae bina chaldi nai
guru te kehnde aa krishan brishan ko mae na dheaaoo ....j krishan rabb c fer ohnu v dhyaa lende...yaan raam nu ...raam nu v dastar da puttar dasta gurbani ne ...raulla kiss gal da...fer lorr hi ki c ik nava granth likhan di ...krishan te raam de pehla ee baut granth pae ne
ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥ yaan te aa line galat aa ...te yaar fer dasrat de puttar raam nu rabb mannan vali gal galat aa donna cho ik fainsla kar
..nalle j nanak rabb aa re fer rabb de peo da naam mehta kalu aa...te fer rubb da peo te rabb ton v vadda ...fer mehta kalu naal ee direct gal na kar layie...annhhe hoe firde aa...dimaag band keete aa?? rabb ajooni hunda...kise maa de tiddo nai jammda
jehra jamm geya oo te rubb di mool defination mool gunn ajooni nu hi radd kar geya ...o shuru ton leke antt tak ajooni a
hun kahi jande SGGS connected me to god ..pehla nassa te conc kari jande c
Guru sat guru ka jo sikh akaveeh..so bhalke uddh har naam dhaiyaveh.
nanak aapp sikh aa veer ethe ...guru satgur te gur ch farak hunda....if u know.aa darpan v freedkoti teeke di cheepi maari aa hor ki aa ee ...nanak rabb roop ho sakda...rabb nai ...j nanak rabb aa te fer krishan v aa ..te fer krishan brishan ko mae na dhaeo ...krishan nu te maya dhari keha geya

Jo ham ko Parmeshwar uncharhen, Te sab Narak Kund men parhen

Mo Ko Daas Tawan kaa Jaano, Yaa Mai Bhaid Na Runch Pachhaano

Main hoon Param Purakh ka Dasa, Dekhan aayon jagat tamasha


logan raam khilona jana

 
Old 07-05-2012
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Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Aanaad Sahib Pariyaa kadi..jehra mainu tusi dasdeh aah mein raula paundaa 10 duwaar da.
ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਗੁਫਾ ਰਖਿ ਕੈ ਵਾਜਾ ਪਵਣੁ ਵਜਾਇਆ।।
ਵਜਾਇਆ ਵਾਜਾ ਪਉਣ ਨਉ ਦੁਆਰੇ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਕੀਏ ਦਸਵਾ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਰਖਾਇਆ।।
ਗੁਰੁਦੁਆਰੈ ਲਾਇ ਭਾਵਨੀ ਇਨਕਾ ਦਸਵਾ ਦੁਆਰੁ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ।।
ਤਹ ਅਨੇਕ ਰੂਪ ਨਾਉ ਨਵ ਨਿਧਿ ਤਿਸ ਦਾ ਅੰਤ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਪਾਇਆ।।
ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਜੀਉ ਗੁਫਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਰਖਿ ਕੈ ਵਾਜਾ ਪਵਣੁ ਵਜਾਇਆ।।
Mein kisi freedkot wali tiikkeh di gal nahi kitti. Prof. Sahib Singh da guru granth darpan keha referance karan nu. Naleeh freedkot wala teekah...jis kissi ne vi likhiyaa...kujh galat nahi likhya. Pandat da matlab vidhvaan hunda....eh gal aapne palleh ban loh. Professor =vidwaan=pandat. Samaj lag gayi? tusi jadon pandaat words sundeh aah..tuhade automatic alarms wajaan lag jande ne.
Eis da matlaab kad ke mere nal gal kari.

Naleh jo mein keha concentration vasteh!! oh karni hi paindii hai maan di concentration karn layi. .for example
If you re put you in a cage. You body cannot go anywhere. But when you are in that cage and I say "sun"..your mind is already thinking about sun. Now you are sitting front of your computerand I say.."amritsar" where is your mind gone to? "Harmander Sahib" What did you just imagined in your brain Mahaj? Even though you are by your computer...but your mind reach amritsar. Now I am going to say "Niagra Fall" your mind has reached niagra fall already. So!! mind need time to travel...but body need space to travel. you can only do true naam simran..when you mind is in present time...not thinking about past or future worries. Through this concentration you build "maan di ekaa_gartaah" samaj lag gayi? Thats what I was talking about concentration on your body..so that you can built a concentration..not thinking about anything from past or future...just doing naam simran in present. From this deep concentration..over time you discover the "praan shakti". mein ta gal bi nahi karni ush di..jadon vi koi hindi da words tere murreh aundah..tere alaram vaaj jandeh ne.


Mein tuhadi mool mantar wali gal nal bilkul sehmaat hai...pher tuu aah das..
ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪ੍ਰਾਸਾਦਿ
Ek raab hai...oh ek sache guru di kirpaa duwaara praapat hundah..oh sacha guru khud vi ussh akal puraak di wich leen ho gaya hai. Jo ush braam de wich leen ho gayaa oh ta aap raab ho gaya. Je tuhanu aapne guru te hi bohot doubts ne..pher ushdi kirpaa kitho honi hai?
Tohi mohi..mohi tohi..antaar kesa.
Naleh 5 rooms ek example si tuhanu sajayun layi.
Gurbani parr ni sikh. ਰਾਮੁ ek vajaan hain..singular..to that Raam who was born to dashrat.
ਰਾਮ booh vachan hai...plular hai.
ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥
ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ

Like all our Guru's...Kabeer is saying do not connect to the middle person...connect to the supreme lord. But have you ever asked how much kabeer respected his guru...Baiyaas. Cuz of him..This SatGuru..he helped, mentor and guided him to God. Jo Raab Ta pauch gaya..oh ta aap parmeswar hai. Samaj Lag Gayi Ji? thats what I was trying to say. Agar kayi sikh soch de ne..sirf ohna de guru di maan di awastaah raab nal jurri hoyi si...mein kabeer..fareed...namdev, krishan hor avtaara di gal karke eho keha bai..eh sareh avtaar ne, respectful ne. yes they call died...god doesn't die..but they lead you to God. They have walked the walk..and talked the talk.
Jo guru kehdaaa hai mein krishan bichan nahi dheaaoo..oh krishan brishan nalo jurran nalo(because they are the middle person..created by god..like guru nanak) he wants to connect directly with the supreme lord. But I am gonna ask you one think...did Guru Gobind lost respect for Guru Nanak? No!! Guru Nanak de gaaddi te baithe sun...ohna nu Guru Nanak parmeshvar roop hi lagde sun..jiveh sarri duniya. Samaj lag gayi? Oh hi main gal kari hai...ke oh parmeshvar roop hun...
Jo akal puraak wich leen ho gyaa...mere layi oh parmeshvar roop hai.
ਪਉੜੀ
॥ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਆਪਣਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਸੋ ਚੁਣਿ ਕਢੀਐ ॥ ਕੀਤਾ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ
ਲੇਖਾ ਸੰਢੀਐ ॥ ਜਾ ਰਹਣਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਐਤੁ ਜਿਗ ਤਾ ਕਾਇਤੁ ਗਾਰਿਬ ਹੰਢੀਐ ॥ ਮੰਦਾ ਕਿਸੈ
ਨ ਆਖੀਐ ਪਿੜ ਅਖਰੁ ਏਹੋ ਬੁਝੀਐ ॥ ਮੂਰਖੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਲੁਝੀਐ||
Chad yaar..tu jitt gaya..you won the debate...aapne walo sat shri akal. Tuhaade maan di avaasta hor hain..mere di horr. Mere layi tu vi raab hain..kyon ki...raab ta har ek jagaah..har jeevh wich hai. Eh maan di uchi (peak form of consicousness) nal aundi hai. Sat Shri Akal Ji. Tusi jorran di kosish karo..toraan di nahi. Agar fareed kot waleh teeke wich ek do gallah sahi nahi lagdiyaa aapa nu...ush wich jo changi sedh mil di hai..ush nu vi nikaraa na karo. Pick up whats good and leave out whats not good. Thats what our Guru's did...taking bani of other bhagats.
Je tusi har ke uchhi avaasta waleh guru pheer nu raab na hon da title deh davooh geh..jis da dil religion wich pehla hi nahi lagdaah oh ta hor vi majaak udaao gah. Koshish karro jorran di.

 
Old 07-05-2012
*Sippu*
 
Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

why is dis oll so complicated

 
Old 07-05-2012
RICKY BADBOY
 
Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Mahajjjuuu ...


Bakki raoula jina marzi payo jayo... jinhe mann na ohnu ek tukk bahut ah ,..
But jihne behs krni .. fhir sara din lagge raho

Rabb Ne Insaan Banaya .. Te Insaan Fhir Rabb Ban Geya ...
by :- swami vivekananda

 
Old 07-05-2012
pps309
 
Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Pura Prabh aradheyo,
Pura jaa ka nau,
Nanak Pura Paaya,
Purre ke gun gau!!

Hun etthe Guru Ji kehre purre Prabh de gun gaan di gal karde, apni yaa fer jiss purre da gyan ohna nu hai??

Assuming Guru Nanak is God (Akal Purakh), and Guru Sahib says God is one. But christian says Jesus is God, and Jews says Moses is supreme.
Decide which one is God, coz God is One....this is what Guru told us.


What about rest of 9 Gurus, are they not God??

Yes, Guru Sahib is not an ordinary human being, he is a true Brahm-Giyani (not aj kal de chor brahm-giani) and Godly figure since he recognized God and attained his wisdom from him.
Yes, there is no difference between him and God, but God is still one, the one which Guru Sahib asked us to meditate (aradheyo).

 
Old 12-05-2012
Mahaj
 
Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

now u r saying ..parmeshvar roop .....pehla ...parmeshvar....akal roop ho sakda...akal nahi ...mae pehle din ton hi ehh gal keh reha...tusi ajj kehti apne muho ...ehi gal te mae ke dheyuna parmeshwar nu aa...parmeshwar roop nu nahi ...respect apni thaan ...giyaan apni thaan ....j thnu pata v aa k ki bahuvachan aa te ki nai ...fer e pehla kyu nai pata lageya k o "Ram" rabb nai c ... chalo asi ki laina ...:P
mae jitan haran lai kadi debate nai karda ...prove me wrong if i am ..i ll accept it ...jehrian merian pehle post dian gallan ..o tusi hun kahi jaa rahe aa te mae ki kar sakda ede ch ....sache giyaan di jitt keh dine aa apa ess nu ...
bhaji mae majak nai udauna .....patshai 10 peon peon k juttian maarde aa k mae shiv krishan nu nai j manna ...."mahamurakh" nu parmeshawar te ..parmeshwar roop ch farak nai pata ..o sach ...fool te mae c ...fer aa mahafool kaun hoea :P


PPS bhjai ehi te mae keh reha ....respect apni thaan ...adaahna apni thaan..ardhaana te sirf oss ik parmeshwar di hi karni aa..mae hor ki keha ...

 
Old 15-04-2015
jastinsworld
 
Re: Guru Gobind singh ji Jyoti Jyot ???

Logan ram khilona jaana ...........


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