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I’m not a RSS agent out to ruin your faith (lol), I have serious questions that need to be addressed (you have to understand that your world, your friends, your social influences are different from mine – im not an anti-Sikh, I am just posting questions that my peers and myself are developing to become better Sikhs, or in that context remain Sikhs, lol). I myself am a Sikh. But criticism is key in my argument and if you can’t cope with that please do not respond. We must challenge faith not only as an institution but also from a unique historical perspective.
I believe the moral principles that the BANI teaches, I can but only try to live life according to its teaching, I acknowledge the magnificent roles the Sikh faith has played in HISTORY and even TODAY, I love much of the teachings of the guru’s but does that mean I must follow everything my guru tells me without questioning it? Religion is being transcended by atheism and humanism you can choose to ignore my question, but that will harm the faith rather that improve it! Rolling back your conservative “whip” is a short term and rather shaky solution. You asked me to focus my attention on God, I’m sorry that’s not the solution; faith is a social process an individual cannot strengthen faith at there own will. Does questioning my religion make me less of a Sikh than yourself
All things considered I look forward to your response, spare me the suspense!
They say the Sikhs are moving liberally? How can you possibly believe that? Sikhism is a faith that implements a high degree of social control, the five k’s are but a prime example. We are a faith that believes in many unproven tales that contradicts reason and intellect, a faith that at time provides strong moral development but adds, “insult to reason”. EXAMPLES : The Sikh Sakhis.
I will only accept responses from the gurbani itself or from a credible source not something your parents told you as a bedtime story. No shononogan responses that add insult to reason as with my previous post. Like -- “a befitting lesson to those who mess with us”-- WOW I’m not even going to comment on that one! Who do you mean us? In a way I am messing with the “us” do I deserve your conservative whip?
OK...
http://www.gurbani.org/webart216.htm ...read the first paragraph made by the SGGS this is a CREDITED site that interprets the gurbani! The gurbani is full of contradictions such as these that should be re-interpreted, modified somehow to make more sense!
“The Gurbani indicates that all suffering is of the human mind; for it's the mind that is the cause for sorrows or discomfort. Therefore, the root cause of man's all suffering lies in the human mind itself. To help us, accordingly, there is tremendous coverage of the mind's functioning and control in the Gurbani. "Deluded mind thinks of all sorts of corruption" and "This mind is ruined by its attachment to Maya", says the Gurbani. The Gurbani goes on to say, "The mind is in the control of evil passions, evil intent, and duality." The external mind being the false ego-sense or Haume, its faults are lust, anger, greed, emotional attachment, self-conceit, enviousness, stubborn mindedness (and their numerous variations). The subtle defects of such intrinsic mind are inner impurity, restlessness, and ignorance. Thus, the external mind can be compared with the eclipsed moon. If such faulty and deluded mind is allowed to run our life, the result will undoubtedly be repeated suffering.”
WOW, that seems pretty conservative to me. Gurbani just insulted the human mind as corrupt it says that it is delusional. But was not the human mind made by GOD, are we not his children are we not a relfection of God? Why would God make the construct of the mind in attachment to maya or why would GOD design a corrupt mind? How could God design a courrupt mind without the existence of corruption within his own? What kind of God gives us a sick twisted mind and then expects us to repair it via gurbani? This is what I mean when I’m saying that Sikhism like many other religions is missing its base.
The gurbanical INTERPRETATION goes on to say that : “Mind is Negativity” and we should “rid ourselves of this negativity and hate”. From a contextual sense the gurbani tells us the reason why we are unhappy is because our mind is filled with negative thoughts.
Why is negativity so hated, negativity ensures a species survival, negativity gives meaning to life, negation is the natural process by which a newer more powerful transcendental type immerges. Complaining (which is the done through negation) is an integral part of our democratic system. Were the guru’s against the system of democracy? If everyone was happy there would be no such thing as action, no cause or effect, no change. Negativity within our mind gives meaning to life, it gives us a feeling of becoming better.
We see negation in nature: the negative aspects of a species will be rectified and lead to their perpetual survival (classical intuitive Darwinian theory).
Now this concerns the theory of karma!
To say that you will be rewarded on how you perform in this life is lame! Is a child that is born into poverty deserve it?
The ideology of Karma is an effective tool of social control:
The Hindu culture used karmian ideology so that the elite could validate their position in society and preserve their power and the caste system. ”We are rich and we deserve to be rich because we were good in our past life”
Our guru’s also implemented the karmian ideology for social control and OBEDIENCE but a different form of social control. Do good or you will be punished,: “do good now and you will be rewarded in the next life” was the overall take home message of our guru’s.
This was in no way a truly evolved thought from the Hindu culture for it too supports egoism. People do good not because they want to but because they have to, we were not given a choice. We either do good or suffer. This psychologically is very burdening and expresses not the good nature in humanity but an egoistic one.
Sikhs do good to fuel their own ego, to ensure themselves that they will be better off in the afterlife?
Theories on Karma undermine current life, our “current life” is nothing more than a preparation for another life.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
This teaching should be abandoned if we want to preserve what is precious in this life, the one in which we are sure that we exist!
Read some Marxian ideology to get a better view of what I’m talking about here!
Thanks
REMEMBER OBJECTIVITY IS KEY IN THIS ARGUMENT.
If only the guru’s where alive, I would question them
till the last breath in my body.
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I’m not a RSS agent out to ruin your faith (lol), I have serious questions that need to be addressed (you have to understand that your world, your friends, your social influences are different from mine – im not an anti-Sikh, I am just posting questions that my peers and myself are developing to become better Sikhs, or in that context remain Sikhs, lol). I myself am a Sikh. But criticism is key in my argument and if you can’t cope with that please do not respond. We must challenge faith not only as an institution but also from a unique historical perspective.
I believe the moral principles that the BANI teaches, I can but only try to live life according to its teaching, I acknowledge the magnificent roles the Sikh faith has played in HISTORY and even TODAY, I love much of the teachings of the guru’s but does that mean I must follow everything my guru tells me without questioning it? Religion is being transcended by atheism and humanism you can choose to ignore my question, but that will harm the faith rather that improve it! Rolling back your conservative “whip” is a short term and rather shaky solution. You asked me to focus my attention on God, I’m sorry that’s not the solution; faith is a social process an individual cannot strengthen faith at there own will. Does questioning my religion make me less of a Sikh than yourself
All things considered I look forward to your response, spare me the suspense!
They say the Sikhs are moving liberally? How can you possibly believe that? Sikhism is a faith that implements a high degree of social control, the five k’s are but a prime example. We are a faith that believes in many unproven tales that contradicts reason and intellect, a faith that at time provides strong moral development but adds, “insult to reason”. EXAMPLES : The Sikh Sakhis.
I will only accept responses from the gurbani itself or from a credible source not something your parents told you as a bedtime story. No shononogan responses that add insult to reason as with my previous post. Like -- “a befitting lesson to those who mess with us”-- WOW I’m not even going to comment on that one! Who do you mean us? In a way I am messing with the “us” do I deserve your conservative whip?
OK...
http://www.gurbani.org/webart216.htm ...read the first paragraph made by the SGGS this is a CREDITED site that interprets the gurbani! The gurbani is full of contradictions such as these that should be re-interpreted, modified somehow to make more sense!
“The Gurbani indicates that all suffering is of the human mind; for it's the mind that is the cause for sorrows or discomfort. Therefore, the root cause of man's all suffering lies in the human mind itself. To help us, accordingly, there is tremendous coverage of the mind's functioning and control in the Gurbani. "Deluded mind thinks of all sorts of corruption" and "This mind is ruined by its attachment to Maya", says the Gurbani. The Gurbani goes on to say, "The mind is in the control of evil passions, evil intent, and duality." The external mind being the false ego-sense or Haume, its faults are lust, anger, greed, emotional attachment, self-conceit, enviousness, stubborn mindedness (and their numerous variations). The subtle defects of such intrinsic mind are inner impurity, restlessness, and ignorance. Thus, the external mind can be compared with the eclipsed moon. If such faulty and deluded mind is allowed to run our life, the result will undoubtedly be repeated suffering.”
WOW, that seems pretty conservative to me. Gurbani just insulted the human mind as corrupt it says that it is delusional. But was not the human mind made by GOD, are we not his children are we not a relfection of God? Why would God make the construct of the mind in attachment to maya or why would GOD design a corrupt mind? How could God design a courrupt mind without the existence of corruption within his own? What kind of God gives us a sick twisted mind and then expects us to repair it via gurbani? This is what I mean when I’m saying that Sikhism like many other religions is missing its base.
The gurbanical INTERPRETATION goes on to say that : “Mind is Negativity” and we should “rid ourselves of this negativity and hate”. From a contextual sense the gurbani tells us the reason why we are unhappy is because our mind is filled with negative thoughts.
Why is negativity so hated, negativity ensures a species survival, negativity gives meaning to life, negation is the natural process by which a newer more powerful transcendental type immerges. Complaining (which is the done through negation) is an integral part of our democratic system. Were the guru’s against the system of democracy? If everyone was happy there would be no such thing as action, no cause or effect, no change. Negativity within our mind gives meaning to life, it gives us a feeling of becoming better.
We see negation in nature: the negative aspects of a species will be rectified and lead to their perpetual survival (classical intuitive Darwinian theory).
Now this concerns the theory of karma!
To say that you will be rewarded on how you perform in this life is lame! Is a child that is born into poverty deserve it?
The ideology of Karma is an effective tool of social control:
The Hindu culture used karmian ideology so that the elite could validate their position in society and preserve their power and the caste system. ”We are rich and we deserve to be rich because we were good in our past life”
Our guru’s also implemented the karmian ideology for social control and OBEDIENCE but a different form of social control. Do good or you will be punished,: “do good now and you will be rewarded in the next life” was the overall take home message of our guru’s.
This was in no way a truly evolved thought from the Hindu culture for it too supports egoism. People do good not because they want to but because they have to, we were not given a choice. We either do good or suffer. This psychologically is very burdening and expresses not the good nature in humanity but an egoistic one.
Sikhs do good to fuel their own ego, to ensure themselves that they will be better off in the afterlife?
Theories on Karma undermine current life, our “current life” is nothing more than a preparation for another life.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
This teaching should be abandoned if we want to preserve what is precious in this life, the one in which we are sure that we exist!
Read some Marxian ideology to get a better view of what I’m talking about here!
Thanks
REMEMBER OBJECTIVITY IS KEY IN THIS ARGUMENT.
If only the guru’s where alive, I would question them
till the last breath in my body.
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