vichar shanje karo guru pyari Sadh sangat jiyo :P

not at all necessary...rabb dil ch vassda hona chahida...change kam zyada zaroori ne..

and basically..samjh auna ni zaroori..ohde dikhaye marg te chalna zaroori aa...and if u r not doing that..then fer chahe 24 ghante paath hi kari jao..koi fark ni aa...

I just want to make clear I could be wrong, but I am sharing what I understood till now.

Jo cheez sirf knowlegde lai aa, te learn karan lai aa. oh sahayad ik baar learn kar lo taa baar baar repeat karan di lor ni. Like reading history, understanding algorithms do not need repetition.

Now lets go to other things, like music, loving your mom/dad/sibling or lover. We do that again and again coz these things needs repetition coz we either enjoy it or gets a piece of mind and some rest at our soul.

Same holds for Gurbani Path, if you do it as love to lord and you do it for peace of mind, a food for your soul then it requires repetition. So we need to do it daily.
If it is about learning Granths, Vedas, Qurans then one can keep read it once and leave them.



NOW As per my knowledge, even Gurbani asks sikhs to do repetitions..
"Simro simar simar sukh paavo......."
"ek do jeevo lakh hoye, lakh hove lakh bees, lakh lakh gerda aakhiye Ek naam Jagdish..."
"Sab tude passo mangde NIT KAR ardas"

Ji path karna jaroori hai chahe sanu arth samaz v aa jaan. Jiwe sarir d bhuk mitoun lyi har roz roti kahni paindi hai ose tarah mann d khoorak guru di bani hai es lyi path jaroori hai. Banda bhuka rahega ta mar jayega. Mann bhuka rahega ta oh v mar jayega.

thank ya sab da :-)
PPS bhai shaab ji aap d koti koti dhanwaad

fakeera de vichaar iss parkar ne .....vichaar thorrey jehe deep ne ....sheti kitea nai pata lagna.....aggey sippea tere te depend karda

the thing is to alter ur sub-conscious ....jo ik vaar parrea v ho sakdi aa....as in the case of bhagat namdev(not sure may be different bhagat) ...80 saal takk parran ton baad v ho sakdi aa ,as in the case of kabeer ji ....kai mere vargea kolon sari umer nai hundi ....and sumtimes kai janmaa tak nahu hundi ...concious , sub concious , intelligence and god's will ...ena nu ik kataar vich lae k auna...jinu saaf shabda vich maann nu maarna keha janda.......hi gurbani da basic motive a
lets take an example...in the beginning..wen u drive , u r very curious ..watching traffic ....reading signals ...takin glimpses of rear view miror every 3 4 seconds....but after a while u r just used to it...now driving gets into ur subconcious .....u could talk on phone n drive on smae time .....u never noticed that upcoming speed sign again ..coz ur sub concious told u that it is 60 ... seeing red light ahead ...u automatically apply brake...the same thing applies here ....
the most imp thing is to understand the gurbani ....after that sending messages to ur self ..by doin nitnaem or wutever
For reading again n again without understanding..... gurbani has sum gud insults... i mean really gud
ਅਖਰ ਪੜਿ ਪੜਿ ਭੁਲੀਐ ਭੇਖੀ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥
ਪੜੀਐ ਗੁਣੀਐ ਕਿਆ ਕਥੀਐ ਜਾ ਮੁੰਢਹੁ ਘੁਥਾ ਜਾਇ ॥
ਪੜਿ ਪੜਿ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਮੋਨੀ ਥਕੇ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ਪਤਿ ਖੋਈ ॥
[SIZE=+1]ਪਢੇ ਗੁਨੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਛੁ ਬਉਰੇ ਜਉ ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਖਬਰਿ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੨॥
and load n loads of more
as pps bhaji already said we have to do simran 24 X 7
[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਸਭਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਏ ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਤਿਸੁ ਜਾਪਿ ॥[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Meditate twenty-four hours a day on the One who created all beings and creatures.
[/SIZE]ਊਠਤ ਬੈਠਤ ਸੋਵਤ ਜਾਗਤ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਸਗਲ ਅਵਰਦਾ ਜੀਉ ॥[SIZE=+1]
how can sum1 recite waheguru while sleeping or do japuji while sleeping ...it means u just have to make sure that ur subconcious is attached to the lord for 24 X7 ...understanding and researching gurbani again n again will effect ur sub concious ....ultimately u will start loving lord ....
[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ਹਰਿ ਚੇਤਿ ਅਚੇਤ ਮਨਾ ਜੋ ਇਛਹਿ ਸੋ ਫਲੁ ਹੋਈ ॥[/SIZE]
---NOTE pls dont just post lines from sggs ..always post full pauri .....due to lack of time i couldnt ..but i can make them available on request ..gustakhi di maafi chauna ..sahib de darbaar

^ i agree with u, on each and every aspect...wanted to say something like this..but my knowledge limited my options..thanks a lot for this wonderful post!

simran and nitname r 2 diff things rite ???

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---NOTE pls dont just post lines from sggs ..always post full pauri .....due to lack of time i couldnt ..but i can make them available on request ..gustakhi di maafi chauna ..sahib de darbaar

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I am sorry for that, i forgot the whole pankti so put the half lines. Should have put the whole dohra, chaupade or asatpadi.

*sippu* said:

simran and nitname r 2 diff things rite ???

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hanji jis simran di mahaj veer naal gal kiti oh nitnem to different aa.
Oh ik alag avastha, te oss avastha di pauri nitnem to hoke jaandi disdi mainu.


ik gal kahan: enna load naa lo. aa te pyar di khed aa. jinna path/kirtan parr/sunn hunda ohna kar lo.
Jad anand aan lag je ta hor time vadha layo.......

bhul chuk galti lai maafi, meri v koi jaade sojhi nahi haje.

^^

Mahaj veer bahut vadia

Bani parhni te sunni jaroori hai par ikali parh k ja sunke gal ne banni apni life vich guru di gal nu apply karna pawega phe gal banu.
Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.
Sareyan da shukariya