Sikhs and Polygamy

Dhillon

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Did Guru Arjan Dev, Guru Hargobind, Guru Hari Rai and Guru Gobind Singh had more than one wife ?

There seems to be contradicting views on the matter.

Also Maharaja Ranjit Singh had multiple wives and some of his wives committed 'Sati' with his body.

So what is Sikhi stance on polygamy ?
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
Did Guru Arjan Dev, Guru Hargobind, Guru Hari Rai and Guru Gobind Singh had more than one wife ?

There seems to be contradicting views on the matter.

Also Maharaja Ranjit Singh had multiple wives and some of his wives committed 'Sati' with his body.

So what is Sikhi stance on polygamy ?

there shouldnt be any doubt for guru arjan and guru gobind
guru arjun te no confusion...pata nai why you mentioned
guru gobind de v ik hi vohti c sundri or jito (i know vohti lol)
Mata Jito - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there was one other women who dedicated her life to guru and stayed at anandpur but guru never made any relation with her

hargobind and har rai
confusion arises because during those times bride has to change her name at the time of marriage
even today if you ask some really old lady, they have different name for peka and different for sauhrey

so two names for one women creates all the confusion

patshahi 6 was married to nanki ....and anandpur was also known as chak nanki
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thou i dont find hard criticism of polygamy in sikhism
plus sikhism allows divorce

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ranjit singh barey rajneetik gal ho sakdi ...dharmik nai
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
i would find it easier if you post a reference , then i prove it wrong
sade blf blf ,....thde blf fact ....
tere kol te jida ona de marriage certificate paye aa
dharam ch anne bande barey dekhe c ... chattrian ch anna pehli vaar dekh reha lol
 

Dhillon

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why would you need to prove it wrong ?
Guru di ikk ton jada wife kyu ni ho sakdi ? When it was quite the norm back then ?
 

Mahaj

YodhaFakeeR
why would you need to prove it wrong ?
Guru di ikk ton jada wife kyu ni ho sakdi ? When it was quite the norm back then ?

ho sakdi aa ...bilkyul ho sakdi aa ...he was king
but as of later, after observing the social nature and misuse of it, sikhs has disallowed it ... and they have every right to do that
 

pps309

Prime VIP
There is no doubt from First Guru to Ninth Guru about their one single marriage. Not something I heard..........

Regarding Guru Gobind Singh's 3 wifes........this thing is very clear that mata jito ji's names was changed to mata sundri (after marriage). Mata Sundri ji had four sons with Guru Sahib.
Now regarding Mata Sahib Kaur ji, confusion arises because her name has Mata in front. Mata name was given b'coz she is honored as Mother of Khalsa, not becuase she is wife of Guru Gobind Singh. She was honored with title, Mother of Khalsa, b'coz she served the Guru Sahib for whole life and her father brought her to marry to Guru Sahib but couldn't happen. It was a reward by Guru Gobind Singh to Mata Ji. There was no child between Guru Gobind Singh and Mata Sahib kaur to prove their relation or marriage.

Indira Gandhi is mother India, and M.K. Gandhi is Father of Nation.....does that mean they are married??

Greatness and morality of Sikhi shined from time to time. Same happened in the time of Hari Singh Nalua, when a young beautiful Afghan woman asked to have a son like him. Instead of reproducing one, he accepted her as mother.

Rahi Gal Maharaje Ranjit Singh di taaa Raje maharaje purane jamane to hi polygamy karde aaunde aa......eh apne aap nu hamesa dharam karam to utte ginde aa, kyunki kanun ehna de muthi ch aa.
Sirf Maharaja Ranjit Singh hi nahi,
Raja Dasrath (father of RamChander) de 3 vyah c.
Raje Bharat de 2 vyah c
Pandu (father of Pandav's) de 2 vyah c.
Krishan Ji di 16000 raniya c.
Bheem de 2 vyah c.

Hor ta hor purane jamane ch raniya rajkumariya bhi polyandry kardiya c.
Draupadi (panchali) de 5 gharwale c.
Kunti da, pandu de vyah to pella hoye beta Karan c. Jisnu ohne badnami to darde nadi ch ror ta c.

I feel it was common in old days, no big deal.
 

@n@@m

unknown but known to all
pps 22 the only thing i wanna say indira is not mother india and mahatma gandhi was never awarded any title its some politition and people who called him father of nation as a RTI govt replied that there is no formal title for gandhi :)
 

Dhillon

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Punjabi University Patiala engaged nearly 200 scholars (list given in the beginning of each volume) to complie Encylopaedia of Sikhism in 4 volumes. Late Prof Harabans Singh a renowned historian was the chief editor. For each entry, all relevant sources were searched and scruitinised. For entry on Jito ji, the following is the text:
(There is no value given here to views of Prof. Sahib Singh, not even mentioned in Bibliography. Prof Sahib Singh was no doubt an expert on Gurbani translation on the basis of his knowledge of Sanskrit and Prakrit. However, he was in no way a qulified historian) Sikhiwiki is not a reliable source of historical information. I think it is the voluntary work done for Sikhnet by a couple of volunateers not historians to pass judgements on serious historical issues.

Encyclopaedia of Sikhism, edited by: Prof. Harbans Singh; Published by Punjabi University Patiala, 1996; Vol. II, p 385.

“Jito ji, Mata, the first wife of Guru Gobind Singh who died in 1700, was the daughter of Bhai Hari Jas, a Subhikkhi Khatri of Lahore. The betrothal had taken place in 1673. The father – in – Law had desired that the bridegroom should come at the head of a marriage party to Lahore where the ceremony should be performed with dignity. But the fateful events leading to the martyrdom of Guru Tegh Bahadur intervened, and in the changed circumstances it was not possible for the young Guru to go to Lahore. Therefore, a temporary encampment was raised near the village Basantgarh, 10 km to the north of Anandpur, and named Guru ka Lahore where the nuptials were held on 23 Har 1734 Bk/ 21 June 1677. Three sons were born to Mata Jito ji – Jujhar Singh (14 March 1691), Zorawar Singh (17 November 1696) and Fateh Singh (25 February 1699). As Guru Gobind Singh was preparing Amrit for initiating the Khalsa, on 30 March 1699, stirring clean water in an iron bowl with Khanda or double-edged sword, Mata Jitoji, as the tradition goes, came with sugar crystals which were dropped into the vessel at the Guru’s bidding. Sweetness was thus added to the alchemy of steel. Mata Jitoji died at Anandpur on 5 December 1700. The cremation took place at Agampura, near Holgarh Fort. A memorial shrine now stands upon the spot.”
 

Dhillon

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Mata Sundri ji was very much alive even decades after tenth guru ji passed away.

The following is the text of a letter (hukamnama) sent by Mata Sundri to Sikhs in 1723 while Mata Jitoji passed away in 1700 while at Anandpur where a Gurdwara exists at the place of Mata Jitoji's cremation. Mata Sundri ji lived and passed away in Delhi.

From the book ‘Nisaan te Hukamname’ by Shamsher Singh Ashok. The text of the Hukamnama(letter) from Mata Sundri ji on page 100 of this book:

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Hukamnam Mata Sundri ji
Ik Oankar satgurparsad
Sarbat sangat guru rakhega.
Ik Oankar satguru
Sri Mata ji di agya hai Bhai chain singh bhai Bhopat Singh Bhai Sangat singh Bhai Alam Singh Bhai Mani singh sarbat khalsa akal purkh ji ka guru rakhaiga. Guru guru japna. Janam sawarna. Bhai Balpal tumare pas aye hain. Bhai Sango naal unka lekha hai. So Sango bhi tumare pas awta hai. Sarbat khalsa waheguru ji ka hai. Jo kuchh vajbi gal hovey so kar devni. Riayat iksi ki nahin krnI. Tumare sabh manorth poorey hongey. Dharam niaon karke faisla kr devna. Nihaal hoye bahurdi hovegi. Katko 19, Samat 1780. Satran 13.

Translation of the message:
This is an order from Sri Mata ji. Bhai chain singh, bhai Bhopat singh, Bhai Sangat Singh, Bhai Alam singh, Bhai Mani singh, the entire Khalsa of Akal Purkh ji. Guru shall protect you. Chant Guru Guru your life will be fruitful. Bhai Balpal has come to you. He has an account with Bhai Sango. So Sango is also coming to you. The entire Khalsa is of Waheguru. Whatever is appropriate you should get decided. Shouldn’t show any favour to anybody. All your wishes shall be fulfilled. Decision should be based on Dharam and Justice. We are happy and shall take care of you hereafter. Date: 19 Katak, Sambat 1780 (4 November 1723). Lines on the letter 13.
 

Dhillon

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Damdami Taksal also acknowledge multiple wives of Gurus.

Satguru Hargobind Sahib Jee (Sodh lineage) wives: Mata Damodari Jee, Mata Nanaki Jee, Mata Marvahi Jee

Satgur Har Rai Sahib Jee (Sodh lineage) wives: Mata Krishan Kaur Jee, Mata Chand Kaur Jee, Mata Ram Kaur Jee, Mata Kaut Kalyani Jee, Mata Thoki Jee, Mata Anokhi Jee, Mata Ladho Jee, Mata Prem Kaur Jee

Satguru Gobind Singh Jee (Sodh lineage) wives: Mata Ajit Kaur Jee, Mata Sunder Kaur Jee, Mata Sahib Kaur Jee

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rc...uC2dHN2T1G-FS1sCR02cwlQ&bvm=bv.50165853,d.bmk
 

pps309

Prime VIP
Guruan de kautak Guru hi janan....there is no solid proofs/marriage records................secondly the administration of that time (controlled by pandits, mughals) were hostile to sikhs, they can change records........

Rahi Gal Maharaje Ranjit Singh di taaa Raje maharaje purane jamane to hi polygamy karde aaunde aa......eh apne aap nu hamesa dharam karam to utte ginde aa, kyunki kanun ehna de muthi ch aa.
Sirf Maharaja Ranjit Singh hi nahi,
Raja Dasrath (father of RamChander) de 3 vyah c.
Raje Bharat de 2 vyah c
Pandu (father of Pandav's) de 2 vyah c.
Krishan Ji di 16000 raniya c.
Bheem de 2 vyah c.

Hor ta hor purane jamane ch raniya rajkumariya bhi polyandry kardiya c.
Draupadi (panchali) de 5 gharwale c.
Kunti da, pandu de vyah to pella hoye beta Karan c. Jisnu ohne badnami to darde nadi ch ror ta c.

I feel it was common in old days, no big deal.

Aj de jamane ch sikh ik vyah karde aa. SGGS do not promote polygamy.
 
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