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Old 03-Jun-2009
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Sikhism compared with Christianity
Discussion between Chris Hammers and Janet Lant

Listen Chris Hammers, I never got around to telling you some of the things about Sikh religion that convince me of its authenticity. One major evidence is the “Holy Granth (Book)” of Sikh religion known as the “Guru Granth Sahib”. The Granth Sahib was complied over a period of 240 years by the hands of the beings that founded Sikh religion. All copies are matched to the original handwritten one. It is scientifically impossible for any known being to write a book with all the qualities found in the Granth Sahib. Below are some of those amazing qualities:
  1. It is written using very deeply profound words obtained from over 16 languages. (I would say that it’s words are more profound then that of any other Book on the planet, but that would not get anywhere, I would be simply dismissed as being biased)
  2. The words from over 16 incompatible languages are incorporated in a way that they make perfect sense.
  3. The alphabet the Granth Sahib uses was invented by the Supreme Beings that wrote it. The Alphabet is called Gurmuki, it is impossible to make a spelling mistake using this alphabet because it has logical grammar rules. Every word or sound can only be written one way. Not like English where the k in knife is silent. This is the easiest alphabet to master. I bet the world would be using computers a long time ago to write things using speech recognition programs if Gurmuki was the business language of the world.
  4. Every sentence is written in poetry of the highest order. (William Shakespeare would have been envious.)
  5. At the same time every sentence rhymes.
  6. At the same time everything is in music verse form, so that all sorts of musical instruments can be played while it is sung.
Sikh religion believes praying should be a very pleasurable, stress reliving, thought provoking event. Most other religions believe praying should be a act of submission (Catholics make you kneel allot!), unquestioningly following rituals, and fear of a jealous Angry God (the Ten Commandments of Judao-Christianity state something about God being a Jealous God and one prone to Anger.) Now Chris, tell me does it make sense following a God who is so immature he gets Jealous, how insecure could that kind of a God be! And how wimpy and powerless must this God be if he gets Angry.

The God of Sikh religion never gets Jealous because he made all those awesome things that make insecure persons jealous. Sikh religion also says God is without anger. Their is a very beautiful song about this in the Granth Sahib!
Plus before the Equal Rights movement, infact 540 years before , Guru Nanak said many nice Praises about women, instead of condemning them like all the other great religions do.

Quotes about Women in Sri Guru Granth Sahib In praise of women.
Register“We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world through woman. We grow up stronger and wiser having drunk milk from the breast of woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman” (Guru Nanak Dev, Var Asa, pg. 473)
Marriage is an equal partnership of love and sharing between husband and wife.
“They are not husband and wife, who merely sit together. Rather they alone are called husband and wife, who have one spirit in two bodies.” (Guru Amar Das, Pauri, pg. 788)

Women have an equal right to participate in the congregation.
“Come my sisters and dear comrades! Clasp me in thine embrace. Meeting together, let us tell the tales of our Omnipotent Spouse (God). In the True Lord are all merits, in us all demerits.” (Guru Nanak Dev, Sri Rag, pg. 17)

God is the husband and we are all his brides.

“The spouse is but One and all others are His brides. The false bride assumes many religious garbs. When the Lord stops her going into another’s home, then is she summoned into her Lord’s mansion without any let and hindrance. She is adorned with the Name and is dear to her True Lord. She alone is the true bride and the Lord lends her His support.” (Guru Nanak Dev, Ramkali, pg. 933) (note: Lord is one of the names of God)

God is our Mother as well as our Father.

“Thou O Lord, art my Father and Thou my Mother. Thou art the Giver of peace to my soul and very life.” (Guru Arjan Dev, Bhairo, pg. 1144)

The rape and brutalities committed against women by the Mughal invader Babar condemned.

“Modesty and righteousness both have vanished and falsehood moves about as the leader, O Lalo. The function of the Qazis and the Brahmins is over and the Satan now reads the marriage rites (rape). The Muslim women read the Quran and in suffering call upon God, O Lalo. The Hindu women of high cast and others of low caste, may also be put in the same account, O Lalo.” (Guru Nanak Dev, Tilang, pg. 722)

The practice of women burning themselves on their husband’s funeral pyre (sati) condemned.

“They cannot be called satis, who burn themselves with their dead husbands. They can only be called satis, if they bear the shock of separation. They may also be known as satis, who live with character and contentment and always show veneration to their husbands by remembering them.” (Guru Amar Das, Var Suhi, pg. 787)

The ritual of dowry so prevalent in many societies condemned.
“Any other dowry, which the perverse place for show, that is false pride and worthless gilding. O’ my Father! give me the Name of Lord God as a gift and dowry.” (Guru Ram Das, Sri Rag, pg. 79)

First Supreme Being Guru Nanak laid the foundation of Sikhism which believes in a casteless, egalitarian society which guarantees equal rights to Women. Each of the Supreme Being Gurus under authority of God gave women equal status. They gained social and religious freedom at a time when the existing religions and society considered women to be property. The false notion that they were inherently evil and unclean was removed. A woman was regarded as temptation-incarnate. The Gurus exposed the folly of such notions. [Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Jainism, they all directly say Women are Unclean and Inferior.].

Sixth Supreme Being Guru Hargobind called Woman “the conscience of man”. In religious gatherings, men and women sang and preached without any distinction. The wearing of purdah (women wearing veils to hide the face) was rejected as demeaning to women. Guru Hargobind refused to have dinner with any Queen who wore a veil.
Ik OnKar: means “One Creator” The circle is a chakram representing the Universe, the double edged sword represents the positive and negative side of the Force, the 2 swords on the outside of the sphere represent the hands of the One Creator protecting and beholding all that exists and beyond.
Dear Inquisitive, challenging brother “Chris Hammer”, I will answer all your questions in better detail when time permits. For now I will torpedo your points. PLEASE READ THE KHALSA CONSENSUS ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI. Then you will see that Sikhs have more Divine proofs then any other Religion. I was born and still am a Christian, but I will soon Convert to Sikhism. The main reason being the Bible is anti-Women, it talks about the Woman’s Curse, the Old testament says God wants you to steal a baby boys foreskin, Science now says that mutilative operation is very harmful to the Defenseless infant boy, Mothering Magazine did a Science article on it. But Sikhs knew one should never destroy any Gift God gives, so cutting of a skin from the genitals is quite Evil, what happened to Human Rights, The Sikh religion Honors infants and all beings! Everyday a teaching of the Bible is found to be harmful.

First: You claim the proof that a revelation is truly from God, is Prophesy! As you know any occult palm reader etc… can claim they predicted an Earth Quake a year before it happened. All a Psychic has to say is next year the Earth will shake. Chances under rules of Science are that there is a good chance that some kind of explosion or Earth Shaking activity will happen in a year, so Prophesy is just clever manipulation of history.
You say “”The Bible prophesied hundreds of years in advance giving detailed accounts of the major empires of the world and all major cities of the ancient world as well as the names of two emperors 200 years before they were born”.
I have read the Bible, I find that these so called revelation do not prove anything anyone can make them, it’s easy to turn anything written in the past into a accurate prediction, by stretching interpretations to suite an end result.
Not to really answer your challenge. SIKHS do not depend on Prophesy, because God like a Movie producer can make any changes whenever He/She wants to. What Proves the Sikh religion came directly from God is it is the only Religion in the world that has perfect Science. Your Bible was the reason Galileo was almost Executed, because the Bible was saying the Earth is Flat & the Sun revolves around the Earth. This Male Egotistical writing is now proven face by Science. The First Supreme Being GURU NANAK, “The Light that Dispels the Darkness”, wrote many Divine Poems describing Solar Systems. If you know science you know Solar System means a planetary system in which all the planets revolve around a central Star.
Second proof The first Supreme Being or Light that Dispels the Darkness-Guru Nanak with his own hands at the order of God wrote Hymns that say the Earth and many planets are round. I will now Quote a Divine Poetic Quote translated from Gurmuki, that teaches that not only is Earth Round but there are uncountable Earths (planets), Uncountable Solar Systems around which they orbit, Uncountable Galaxies. Chris Hammer, you know that it was only a few decades ago when “Hubble” an astronomer discovered that we live in a Galaxy, then much later Hubble discovered that there are many Galaxies outside our own. Well Mr. Hammer, the Sikh Holy Scripture which is the only Holy Book written by the Founder(s) of its faith. That is like saying Jesus wrote the Bible, instead of Chauvinistic men 100’s of years after Jesus died.
RegisterThe Guru Granth Sahib, over 540 years ago stated that their were Countless Galaxies, Galileo was not born until 100 years later. Guru Nanak did not have a Telescope or vast scientific resources like Galileo did. If that is not enough & you demand Sikhs to have prophesy to be valid, then I will give you something no human not even Jesus knew, the Gurus said there are Universes upon Universes, Spheres upon Spheres. What this means is that when you reach the end of our 15 billion light years size Universe, go many times that distance into empty space, you will encounter the neighboring Universe, keep traveling and the scenario will repeat. Now the Spheres upon Spheres means that about 400 trillion Universes each the size of our one Universe make a Spherical structures called a Sphere, & that there are countless numbers of these huge Spheres each containing Trillions of Universes.
Now Mr. Hammer, your God is a God of 1 Flat Earth, 1 spiritual heaven, & 1 Spiritual Hell! The Sikh God as I mentioned above is bigger, his Earth is a Sphere, he is master of many Planets, Universes, Galaxies etc.. plus his is master of countless Physical Heavens in addition to 1 Spiritual Heaven plus countless Physical Hells in addition to 1 Spiritual Hell! So your God Mr. Hammer is quite small in power etc… How come your Bible did not mention this.

Now to give you a prophesy, in the Future your Scientists will discover that the Sikh religion was correct when Guru Nanak stated there are Universes upon Universes, then much further into the future your Scientists will eventual realize that Trillions of these Universes form a Sphere. Below is the Quote! Enjoy!
“There are worlds upon worlds, solar systems upon solar systems, galaxies upon galaxies, universes upon universes, spheres upon spheres, They function according to Command of God. God gets joy by thinking of and beholding His Creation;”
“Beyond this Earth, there are many more and more earths. What power bears their load from underneath? (Not the supposed bull, but God’s Force).”
“God’s One Word created the world’s expansion. And lacs of rivers began to flow.”
“There are nether worlds and more nether worlds below them and there are lakhs of skies over them. Limitless the worlds beneath, limitless the worlds above. One may grow weary of searching out His limits. One can never reach the end of His Vastness.”
“The continents, worlds and solar system, established by God, sing His glories. God’s enlightened beings steeped in the Name, who are pleasing to God, sing His praises”
“God has His seat and His storehouses in all the worlds. Whatever is stored, was put only once for all, enough forever!”
“How many Indras, moons, suns, and how many Star Systems[Surya Mandals], and stars, How many [countless], Siddh, Buddhas [like Gautama Buddha], Nath [Gurus], and how many forms and incarnations of Devi [Durga],How many Angles, Demons, Speakars of Truth[Muni], and countless Oceans having precious stones,”
My Dear brother Chris Hammers,
You say “I am very sorry to hear of your bad experience with Christianity, but don’t make the mistake of throwing out the baby with the bath water.”
Now listen, why do you consider my future plans of upgrading (converting) to Sikhism, as throwing out the baby with the bath water. I am not interested in converting because I had bad experience with Christianity, how could I have a bad experience when all I knew as an infant was Christianity.
My parents like you tried to discourage me from embracing Sikh ways, they said Sikhism is primitive religion. I then proved to them exactly how misguided & ignorant they were. I did this by pointing out that Christianity began 2000 years ago, it was a primitive mans attempt to understand God. So it is Christianity that is primitive, Sikhism I taught my parents is a Religion of Divine Science.
You gave some quotes from the Bible, about Stars, but the Man who wrote that had no idea that a star is a HOT SUN like our sun, not a cool pretty shiny grain of sand in the sky. Most of my relatives understand the Bible considers stars to be Gods heavenly wallpaper nothing more. Only in the Sikh religion is it clearly stated that Stars are Suns because the Granth states Suraa Mundala, meaning solar systems.
I never said a Guru is “The Supreme Being”. What I said is “The First Supreme Being GURU NANAK, “The Light that Dispels the Darkness”, wrote many Divine Poems describing Solar Systems.”
The Sikh religion states there is only one “SAT GURU” meaning True God. When I refer to Guru Nanak as a First Supreme Being, it means Pala Mehel or First Mehel, it does not mean GOD. God is The One Supreme Being, the Gurus were one step below as Supreme Beings under the One True Supreme Being. The word GURU comes from 2 words GU & RU, GU means Light, RU means Darkness. Combined they mean “The Light That Dispels The Darkness” or simply GURU. Clearly each of the 10 Gurus were and are Supreme Beings working for God the One True Supreme Being. Guru Nanak walked the Land like Jesus, only difference is Nanak walked much further distances, infact Nanak at a minimum based on other nations historical records walked enough to circle the Earth 3 times over. But in the future I feel the distance record will increase even further, for example the nation of ITALY has villagers reporting their ancestors made company with Nanak, and the Provincial Governments of CHINA are reporting, that they had visits by Nanak, they have now proved that Nanking province And Nanaking City were named to Honor First Supreme Being Nanak.
If you read Genesis or the TORAH it has a section called “The Woman’s Curse”, which is a Man made Bible teaching that God punished Women because a mythical Eve gave Adam a forbidden fruit. I will give you an exact quote when time permits. This Bible chapter states that a women had monthly menstrual cycles because God has Cursed her. In Genesis it also says a Woman’s Husband shall strike her in the Head. Read the Bible & the Old Testament or Torah and you will see how much hatred of woman there is in there. It talks of God wanting Woman to be submissive to Man.
I am a MD and no Bible Thumping Man tells me what to do. I told my Fiancee that I am almost sure I am converting to Sikhism & if he is unwilling to do the same, then he can hit the road. He said whatever I want he wants too. I have been teaching him many of the Khalsa Books on Sikhism, and he is impressed at the GURU’s teachings.
Chris Hammers, I studied all the religions, and found all flawed, only Sikhism was able to withstand my fierce assault. I tried & Tried to find fault in Sikhism, I found NONE! When I first saw a Sikh, I thought he was a Muslim, I latter I learned that most Muslims never wear a Turban, a Sikh wears a Turban, because it Give a Free Cranial Adjustment & tells Him & everyone else that he is beneath no one and only God is above Him!
The Pro Woman aspect of Sikhism is only one of the many Divine Reasons I am planning on Upgrading to Sikhism. I find Sikhism is a very advanced Dharma for the Modern world. My current religion just has no place to meet my Modern Demands, its not like after I got my MD, some guy with a Old Testament is going to put me in the Kitchen, because some imaginary MALE GOD told him a Woman belongs in the Kitchen, HA HA! Of course I do allot of work in the Kitchen, but only when I want to cook something I Love & avoid the unhealthy restaurant food.
The Tenth Supreme Being Guru Gobind Singh, when traveling by the woods, got of his horse upon the sight of a Tobaco Plant. He then drew his Kirpan (holy Sword) and chopped it up, then with his feet he smeared it into the ground. Onlookers belonging to many different religions, asked the Tenths Supreme Being, why have you destroyed that plant? The Tenth Supreme Being replied “Alcohol will destroy one Generation, But Tobaco will destroy many generations.”
RegisterChris Hammers, as you know it was only about 4 years ago that Scientist discovered that Second hand Tobacco Smoke kills, thus destroying (damaging or killing) the fetus and destroying the lives of children & great Grand Children & friends. So because the 10th Supreme Being was in constant communications with the One True Supreme Being(Ik Onkar, Sat Nam) he had access to absolute Science. Did the Men who wrote the Holy Bible not know about Tobacco, were the not in communication with the One True Creator? Sikhism is the only Faith that forbids Tobacco in its Scriptures. Read the English Translations by SANT SINGH KHALSA, also a MD! I only hope that God will let me earn the only True Degree there is the “Degree of Divine Sikhia”.

Chris it was my Medical Colleagues who during the 50’s started routine Circumcision of Defenseless Babies. This was done to make extra income for medical professionals, Circumcision increases the transmission and acquiring of STD’s. Plus many other problems, In my next posting I will give over 70 Scientific references proving my point. I will do this not to prove you wrong, but to prove another Sikh wrong. Chris even Jesus tried to ban Circumcision, because the practice is Satanic, no Loving God would ask anyone to chop of a very valuable pleasure producing part.
Until the past 12 years I when to Church every Sunday, now hopefully I will get to go to Gurdwara any day of the week as convenient. Instead of hearing a fiery sermon, I will get to enjoy Divine Music & Hymns!
And Chris Hammer, Only Ik Onkar or One Creators name is Precious, not a Nice Guy named Jesus. I get the impression you are a Religious Fanatic, something that the Sikh Dharm shuns. Because Fanaticism puts a wall between ones spiritual connection to One True Creator.
Sikhs don’t waste time spreading Sikhism like other religions do because, one does not give away Diamonds. I am lucky I came across this True Diamond, I only hope I have the IQ it takes to follow the Super Advanced Spiritual Teachings of the “Lights that Dispel the Darkness or Gurus”.
See, I am not the only one that knows a Turban gives a Cranial Adjustment. It is a law of Physics, not Indian culture. Sikhism is from the future, Indian is from the past, you can take the wayward path if you like. Your comments indicate you already made many a wrong choice. And, Jass Singh, the Gurus were & are Supreme Beings, and there is nothing you can do to hurt them or lower There power. Some other Sikh, wrote that Punjabi Sikhs are cutting their Hair and trying to blend in with western culture. Well that’s their & their parents poor understanding of Divinity of Sikhism. So by dumping diamonds they don’t hurt me one bit, its their loss. I as a very Modern American, know I am becoming even more Modern by adopting the Guru’s (the Lights that Dispel the Darkness) teachings and way of life. If Punjabi Sikhs misbehave they loose big time. I have looked at all Religions and Sikhism is the only Dharm that can exist in its current form on any Planet in Any Universe, maybe the Punjabi Sikhs don’t deserve this best of all Universal Knowledge anymore.

I wore a Kara to the last continuing medical education seminar, and some of my colleagues asked me about it. So I told them what it was and about Sikh Dharm, they showed great interest in learning more. Two of the ladies from the group asked where they could get a translation of the Sikh Holy book. Page 14 of the Khalsa Consensus Translation must be what peaked there interest! If God gave me more time, I know it would be so easy to get far more individuals interested in Sikhism! I never ever saw a Sikh of India sharing knowledge of Sikhism with a Non-Sikh. Probably a good thing in disguise, because, I have been told so much misinformation by Native Sikhs. For example some tell me Meat is good, then they justify such butchery by saying the Gurus ate it. When I ask them for proof they come up with sloppy translations. I then waste time dissecting them and find the Gurus are speaking against killing animals in those passages. For a person like myself, it is so obvious the Gurus could never condone eating meat. As meat is unhealthy & a Shameful destruction of Life Force. I quit eating meat 12 years ago, way before I even knew Sikhs existed. Thank God the Gurus wrote the Granth and not some body much latter on.
The Spiritual Strength Of Woman - The following is an article that Shanti Kaur Khalsa presented at the Women’s Seminar at the World Sikh Samelan, Amritsar 1995.

BANA : The Khalsa Uniform Bana is our own flag. Bana is our nishan that states unequivocally who we are. If we have the dress and fashion of a movie star, that makes a statement as to who we are. If we wear the clothes of beggar, that also tells the world what our status is. And if we wear the bana of the Khalsa, this makes a statement of strength that cannot be ignored by the hardest of hearts. Bana is the image and dress of grace. Bana is the five K’s of the Khalsa: Kesh, Kachera, Kanga, Kara, and Kirpan. Each one of these beautiful accouterments gives us strengh and beauty. Bana is a statement that says, with a look, that I belong to Guru Gobind Singh, and He belongs to me.
I belong to the Khalsa and Khalsa belongs to me as the drop of water forever merges into the ocean. Guru Gobind Singh
I would like to share with you my own story and experiences in relation to the bana of the Khalsa. When I first became a Sikh, twenty-three years ago, I had never seen an Indian Sikh woman. I knew only American Sikhs, and in fact, very few of those. But I knew that Kesh and Dastar were part of the 5-K’s of Guru Gobind Singh. And I knew that Guru Gobind Singh promised:
If the Khalsa maintains the distinct path, I shall give them all my strength. But if the Khalsa leaves this path, then I will withdraw my recognition.
Guru Gobind Singh
Well, as a young woman of 18 years, full of the spirit of life and the excitement of discovering the teachings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, it never occurred to me to not wear a turban. The Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh wore the dastar, and that was who I wanted to be. So it was with great sincerity that I tied my first turban. From the moment I put on a turban, the effect was immediate and exciting.
RegisterPhysiologically speaking, the turban creates a dramatic effect on the body. The human skull is not solid, but is made up of 52 moving plates, whose alignment affects our well being and our mental processes. Osteopathic Doctors have developed a science of cranial adjustments to treat many general and specific ailments. By tying the turban, and thus creating the proper pressure and angles, the bones of the skull are automatically adjusted, and remain aligned throughout the day. In situations of mental activity or emotional stress, when the cranial bones tend to go out of proper alignment, the turban contains and maintains the integrity of the skull. This contributes greatly to our strength and ability to succeed under pressure. In addition to this, the effect of the Kesh properly combed-up and the acupressure points that the turban presses at the temple contributes to the person’s ability to maintain an elevated state of mind, a higher state of consciousness. All of this was apparent to me the very first day I wore the turban of the Khalsa.

But as you can imagine, the most dramatic effect of wearing a turban is not physiological, but rather it is social. Wearing a turban is to walk the niagra path. My parents and my friends were stunned. They thought they had lost me, but of course they had not. Rather the experience of being distinct has made me more committed to the welfare of those around me, because everything I do is highlighted and examined by others.

Now that I have lived my life experiencing the benefits of the turban, I can tell you honestly that you are missing a great advantage by not doing so. I have been given the respect and the status of a spiritual woman, even when I myself have been filled with self-doubt and misgivings. This I see as Guru Gobind Singh Ji fulfilling his promise, giving me strength even when I do not have strength myself. This beautiful dastar proclaims to the entire world the I belong to Guru Gobind Singh and that is a reality I will never deny.

Old 04-Jun-2009
Re: Sikhism compared with Christianity

thnx for sharin i didn't noe that turban stuff
Chris it was my Medical Colleagues who during the 50’s started routine Circumcision of Defenseless Babies. This was done to make extra income for medical professionals, Circumcision increases the and acquiring of STD’s. Plus many other problems, In my next posting I will give over 70 Scientific references proving my point. I will do this not to prove you wrong, but to prove another Sikh wrong. Chris even Jesus tried to ban Circumcision, because the practice is Satanic, no Loving God would ask anyone to chop of a very valuable pleasure producing part.
Pls check over this fact again..sm medical point of views say smth diff bout itt

bible isn't trustable nymore.. due to several amendments its not the "original" holyscripture nymore...also it has been re-written by many others.. to suit their need .. so yeaa.. in my opinion its not 'God;s words'
also.. originally.. it wsn't written by Jesus Christ.. so yea

i respect the holy scriptures.. coz they reflect awareness.. however..if theres only one God.. y r there so many differences in holybooks..teachings .. blfs.. creation of life .. nd even bout God himself... (one of the thing that makes me question God's existence, a God that's takin care of us)

nd Yes sikhism provides full rights to women .. and thts smth i relli like bout sikhsm..
but r they relli treated the way they shud b acc. to sikhism? hmm

Its not bout comparing.. comparison gets uagain to that inferior/superior stuff .. follow the path that u think wud be better for u..widout harming other ppl around u .. nd that's what all religions say..

Old 04-Jun-2009
Re: Sikhism compared with Christianity

nd Yes sikhism provides full rights to women .. and thts smth i relli like bout sikhsm..
but r they relli treated the way they shud b acc. to sikhism? hmm
i agree ,but some now days..those fundamentalist doing this,& thats not good sign...and has to be stop soon

Originally Posted by .SiPPi. View Post
bible isn't trustable nymore.. due to several amendments its not the "original" holyscripture nymore...also it has been re-written by many others.. to suit their need .. so yeaa.. in my opinion its not 'God;s words'
also.. originally.. it wsn't written by Jesus Christ.. so yea
Yeah right said .. its not even written by jesus..Jesus was born a Jew and spend his entire life as a Jew.when jesus gone then after 300/400 yrs it was written(bible)..and spread by JEWS.. as muslim was increasing..war,killing..force conversion was on rise by them..so to stop them they started spreading preaching of jesus & like this christanity came to world.. well good only happen , if they jews..wont do tah ab tak world has gone back to dark age..by this barbaric ppls momedians
well their MISSIONARIES (WHICH HAVE A MISSION TO CONVERT, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED MISSIONARIES) & nuns(some fake rapes by nuns to get publicity)make ppl how fools,they copy all beautiful lines from vedic and put them in their bible(offcource what said re-written) There are many things written in bibble which are taken from Bhagvad Gita.(I know for a fact that the missionaries twist and distort the Vedas in an attempt to promote their own ideology.What a Shame!).
and then they goes too poor family of orissa or other states..and says look this is bible and they(who never readed the geeta from wherz those lines is taken) beleive these truth line r from bible... These missionary only spread that @ 2000 world will die and jesus will save them hahhahaha 2000 gone 9 yrs happen everything is here u Morons.. Lolz

(whether its mother(lady) teresa who just came to india for conversation)
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Mother Teresa had spoken with pride of having opened more
than 500 convents in 125 countries, "not counting India."
It is obvious that the money donated by well-wishers
(or guilty-conscience Westerners?) for the relief of poor was
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Fransis Xavier was the first international christian terrorist who ordered the Goa Inquisition in which some 5000 ppls among them more than 1000 women, were burned at stakes or butchered for heresy and the victims were often have only the torso left after the church torture and their screams were heard throughout in the night. He was made Saint Fransis Xavier for killing Hindus in Goa and the pope should tender an apology for the crimes committed against by this christian missionary. History shows that strangely Jesus Christ started punishing Christians by causing earthquakes. In the 1755 Lisbon earthquake killed around 60,000 christians. So the christian priests concluded that some members of the christian community have committed heresy and displeased christ who inturn ordered earthquake. The rounded up christians were hanged on the spot. The christian sect called Pentecostal sect of Christianity came up due to the fear of earthquake. The 1883 eruption of Krakatoa in what is now Indonesia fueled the growth of the virulent extremist strain of Islam, bent on purging society of impurities like non-muslims that displeases their God Allah, Mohammad. The muslim terrorist Osama bin Laden described the 2002 Afghanistan earthquake as Mohammad's punishment against those who supported the American-led war against terror. Unfortunately those who died in Afghanistan were Muslims and it looks like Allah was following the Jesus method by killing muslims. In the aftermath of hurricanes Katrina and Rita, Muslims worldwide were celebrating that it was a punishment of Americans for its actions in Iraq and Afghanistan by their God Allah, Mohammad & Co. Paki papers bannered articles said “Allah punished New Orleans" SHAME ON BOTH OF THEM.....

In Jun 2006 Hyderabad, Police Detain Mother Teresa Nuns On Charges Of Attempted Conversion.
Indian police detained four Missionaries of Charity (MC) nuns on charges of attempting to convert people when the nuns visited a government-run hospital in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh.
The nuns were on a regular visit to Ruia hospital in Tirupati town,

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The Dalit Christians on Friday asked the Church leadership to stop fraudulent conversion in India among Dalits and Tribals. And it further demand that the foreign funds received by the church be used for the welfare and upliftment of the poor Christians who are suffering from the discrimination. The convention strongly urged the Govt of India not to appoint Bishops, priests and nuns in the government commissions and committed but instead it should appoint ordinary Christians. These and many other demands are raised in a resolution adopted at the national conventions organized by the Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM) headed by R.L.Francis.

"Tamilnadu Villagers furious with Christian Missionaries that to in time of Tusnami"

Rage and fury has gripped this tsunami-hit tiny Hindu village in India's southern Tamil Nadu after a group of Christian missionaries allegedly refused them aid for not agreeing to follow their religion.
Samanthapettai, near the temple town of Madurai, faced near devastation on the December 26 when massive tidal waves wiped it clean of homes and lives.
Most of the 200 people here are homeless or displaced , battling to rebuild lives and locating lost family members besides facing risks of epidemic,disease and trauma.

Jubilant at seeing the relief trucks loaded with food, clothes and the much-needed medicines the villagers, many of who have not had a square meal in days, were shocked when the nuns asked them to convert before distributing biscuits and water.
Heated arguments broke out as the locals forcibly tried to stop the relief trucks from leaving. The missionaries, who rushed into their cars on seeing television reporters and the cameras refusing to comment on the incident and managed to leave the village.

Disappointed and shocked into disbelief the hapless villagers still await aid.
"Many NGOs (volunteer groups) are extending help to us but there in our village the NGO, which was till now helping us is now asking us to follow the Christian religion. We are staunch followers of Hindu religion and refused their request. And after that these people with their aid materials are leaving the village without distributing that to us," Rajni Kumar, a villager said.

The incident is an exception to concerted charity in a catastrophe that has left no one untouched.

this is the real christanity ------
Old Irish Catholic schools abused thousands(child/nuns sex) Probe --

A lady journalist of Florida has written a book namely The Dark Side of Christianity. That book points out how more than 100 civilisations were destroyed and 1.5 crore people have been killed by the church in the whole world.” He urged the government to publish a white paper on church funds and its utilisation for the development of backward people and why the church fails to bring development in the underdeveloped areas, under its exclusive operation.

Fraudulent myth of the tomb of St Thomas -
`Missionaries are perfect nuisances and leave every place worse than they found it'
— Charles Dickens (1812-1870)

`What have been Christianity's fruits? — Superstition, bigotry and persecution'.
— James Madison (1751-1836)

`The Christian god is cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust'.
— Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

for more -

Desmond Tutu once said
"When (white man) missionaries first came to Africa, we had the land/diamonds and they had the Bible. Then they told us, "Let's pray," and we closed our eyes. When we opened them again, they had the land & diamond and we had the Bible."

The Dalai Lama condemns Christian missionary proselytizing activities in India. Here's a clip from his statement to Swiss Weekly Dimanche, "In India, U.S. missionaries are using economic arguments to convert the poor tribes.... You practice conversion like a kind of war against peoples and cultures."
-- The Honorable Dalai Lama.

no conversation......
Mahatmah Gandhi: "If I had the power and could legislate,
I should certainly stop all proselytising."
(Collected Works,
Vol 61, page 46-47)


The list is very huge the above r just some samples i shared...............well beware these dirty missionaries have entered in punjab too specially chandigarh ,converstion there too started..... and they mostly target poor ppls... therefore i like dhera sauda like peoples who make unite these poor ppls in one relegion and so they wont get converted by these missionaries.. and they make many conspiracy with help of media and some NGO'S to spoil like these saints name.so ppl stop followeing them,and their mission of conversataion get easy...

well i cant understand what they want to teach after Conversions ? earth is flat this what bible says.

The sections of this article are:

- The Bible says: The Earth is flat!
- The flat Earth is established and can never move?! The Sun hurries back to where
it rises?!
- The Earth has pillars?!
- The Earth has Edges?! The wicked might get shaken off of it and fall off in
- Does Isaiah 40:22 really say that Earth is Round? The Earth is a flat circle?!
- Christian Theologians' Commentaries that further suggest that the Earth
is flat.
- The light of the Universe and the flat earth's dimensions in the Bible.
- Conclusion.

Under the Mosaic Law, fathers were allowed to do "Digital Defloration" to their daughters... SHAME -----
(Register) [Note #13, read toward the end of the note] <----------

come on yaar a small kid also knows earth is not flat..bibbleeeeeeee the book of fairytales.

When it comes to scientific claims, the Bible has the dumbest claims, with all due respect to Jews and Christians. The Bible claims that Earth has four ends and four corners. Nobody can ever think a ball or a cycle to have corners and ends! Only flat items can have corners and ends, and this is exactly what the bible is trying to express regarding the shape of the earth. The earth is not flat, as once thought and it has no corners or ends at all. If Magnetic Poles can be taken as ends or corners of earth, then this definitely opposed to the axis of rotation.

i respect the holy scriptures.. coz they reflect awareness.. however..if theres only one God.. y r there so many differences in holybooks..teachings .. blfs.. creation of life .. nd even bout God himself... (one of the thing that makes me question God's existence, a God that's takin care of us)
Haa God is one only ..every where its written... but its forms r many.. and if some one says i beleive only one god.. (invisible god) then he wasteing his time..he have to go through all this avatars or guru.. then only u come to know him... ppls who dont follow this simple way.. in their relegion therfore real god have not taken avatars.. only one came and bass FULL STOP... thatz to remember not the supreme power only followers..messengers..god son..etc.. like this.... thatz called man made religion..... 2000 yrs back ppl from western and other parts start saying y god comes only in east side(india) so thats their god not ours..noob lolz.Well wherz greenery there only rain comez & wherz true bhakti there only god comes in many forms...well turn in nature and all this messengers and god son started,But many prophets,saints and scripturs says that these man made followers wont survive in 21st centuary.. they will be wiped out from the world...
Remember what 500 yrs back Prophet Nostradmus said, from year 2012 there will be rise of india and its culture to whole world...all man made relgious countdown will start from that period... the almity created them then he only knows how too pack them out..all the conversion done by people in future will be just waste of time atlast nor the converted or the converter ppl will be left...but before that too much bloodshed/frustation/killing/war/spreding of deadly virus/burning of sun(high tem) /natural calamities,accident will rise too much that people will start saying there is no god & put all responsible for this to relegion..(because of relegion this all happens).... but hope will rise yet again from holy land of india,and humanity will be saved again by their preachings...And further says..the fall of POPE and wipe of MEcca Medina and rise of vedas..... as by Nostradamus "the man who saw the future"......
Well BABA NANAK too said "nah rahegah eesah nah rahegah muhammad"(no followers of them will be left)... then shirdi Sai baba saided only bhagwad geeta will be taken as granth..and in everyhouse in the world geeta preaching will be there,so much that i will be taken as law book,and new laws will be maded by following it only...
btw this is nothing against anyone haa..but its true and will be happen sure.. we will all see it (if we dont die soon) ..and these r words of saints.. aur santoh ki bateeh satya hoteh hai

REMEMBER God will know where to put and how to send to this earth. remaining things just we make as religion can anyone justify after converting who got into the hell and who is in hell. no one knows!, it is Hypocricy. no one is greater than humanity and kindness. Either Islam, Christianity or any other religion will give you peace every human has birth and death it is true nothing is beyond this. no religion can stop from this...(except haveing moksha/mukhti) then why this cry regarding : your Country is your mother and the religion in which you are born with is father so whom do you want change??? I never seen a single person after converting has become a great human.... conversion is just a gimmick and to raise the religion population to strengthening their group needs..... Christians market them self if Jesus lived then definitely he wouldn't have given birth to this religion after seeing the religion marketing. If scientists have discovered changing from human to other creatures then definitely people would have changed them self to that...Being secularist does not mean you demean your own religion.

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